We talk a lot around here about the necessity of getting a franchise quarterback in the fold as soon as possible--a point we can all agree on I am sure. Unfortunately, franchise quarterbacks are not drafted or signed. They materialize after a team and player get through the "getting to know you" stage; after both sides become familiar with all the pros and cons of a life with each other; and...gulp...after an owner has already allocated precious resources to the player. I liken it to the search for "the one" we all have likely engaged in at one point or another. There's no shortage of pitfalls, drama and strife in such a journey. If and when you succeed in finding and/or marrying "the one", it is because the decision was mutual--you were "the one" for them, too. In short, you can't force someone to be your franchise quarterback, just like you can't force someone to marry you. Let the long and endless road of broken hearts serve as a reminder that time and time again, identifying "the one" is risky business. I'll say it again at the end, but today I am arguing that we have an opportunity to use the next two drafts to increase our overall chances of landing a franchise quarterback without burning the precious draft resources necessary to solidify the team around him.
We have a healthy mix of people who regularly read Hogs Haven. Some of you are married/engaged/dating, some of you are single and all of you have made unique journeys to end up in one of those buckets. Perhaps one lesson we can all relate to is that finding that person you are ready and willing to commit to for the long haul is not as easy as just picking them out and moving in together. In addition to having some stability in other facets of your life to help make things work, there is also the matter of the other person choosing you back and being equally devoted.
Finding a franchise quarterback is very much the same way. You don't draft a franchise quarterback, or even sign a franchise quarterback. You do have high hopes when you draft or sign a player, but if you don't allow for the possibility that it might not work out, you could end up being stuck with someone for a long time in a very bad relationship. After all, we don't want to end up like Cameron from "Ferris Bueller's Day Off" do we...proposing to the first person we get into bed? I think we all need to recognize that landing our franchise guy is much more difficult than just acquiring Robert Griffin. (At this point, I would like to underline that I am speaking metaphorically--I am not suggesting we will or should have any kind of sexual relations with our draft picks. Sorry Parks.)
The preference would of course be to use the draft to bring in the savior of our offense and fanbase, but it is looking increasingly doubtful that the "best" quarterbacks will even be available when it is our turn to make a selection.
Free agency is always an option, except when the potential free agent class of quarterbacks is as much of a crapshoot as the draft. While I think Matt Flynn would be an upgrade over Rex Grossman, the fact of the matter is that for Flynn, it would be like going from the Broadway cast of "The Lion King" to a pre-school ensemble production. The Redskins can't hold a candle right now to the talent that exists on the Green Bay offense. While Flynn showed me he is more than capable of making the throws and leading his team, there would be WAY more on his shoulders in D.C. than there ever was or would have been in Green Bay. Being a good enough player to execute inside an offense built with a disgusting amount of talent is a far cry from being a good enough player to carry an offense built with swiss cheese and bong water.
No...Matt Flynn is not even close to being a slam dunk for the Redskins. Despite the relative uncertainty surrounding a player with limited starts, this has more to do with the Redskins and less to do with Flynn. Even if we were sitting pretty at #1 or #2 overall in the draft, the success of either Andrew Luck or Robert Griffin III would be similarly handicapped due to the lack of talent surrounding those guys. To be fair, I would have ZERO problem using my #1 or #2 pick on either Luck or Griffin, but I have a BIG problem paying up for the right to make that pick.
Part of my problem with the trade up scenario is that there is this notion that all we are missing is a franchise quarterback. While it is a glaring need, we have other glaring needs too. A franchise quarterback would solve a lot of our problems, but that player would not be able to rush the passer, pass-block, or solidify our secondary. Trading up for Griffin could potentially cost us one or more of each of those players.
Further, this draft would really be Shanahan's first foray into the search for a young franchise signal caller for the Redskins. Between McNabb, Grossman and Beck, the Redskins have not gone down the rookie path yet under this regime (though players like Bradford and Sanchez were reportedly considered). We can't count on a home run on our first swing. Part of why I continue to advocate for trading down and picking up two quarterbacks in this draft has to do with the fact that both would have a chance to be "the one." And if neither one is, the additional picks we would have acquired in subsequent drafts would arm us with the ammo necessary to take another swing without trading away a bucket load of future picks.
I would not be afraid to use a top pick on either Andrew Luck or Robert Griffin. A pick in the top two is a heavy bat worth swinging, especially for a team that would then still have all of its other picks in the current draft and subsequent drafts. Paying up to move up is a much different beast. It is an all-in move that has a much slimmer margin for error. I contend that the Redskins can not afford such a move at this stage of their development. Given that Griffin and Luck will be long gone by the time #6 rolls around, the Redskins are best served moving down in the first round and acquiring whatever they can get in the way of extra picks. We can use those extra picks to buy a couple of lottery ticket quarterbacks this year (Ryan Tannehill and Kellen Moore for instance) and see if we have a big winner. Assuming Bruce Allen is capable of unearthing talent in the second, third and fourth rounds again this April, we will have added essential pieces to our roster. Next year, if neither Tannehill nor Moore is "the one," the added picks and the firmer foundation would provide Bruce Allen the option of getting more aggressive.
I know I will take some heat for arguing against trading up this year but suggesting it is okay to trade up next year. I have no horse in next year's draft. I am not ready to argue who is the best between Griffin or Barkley or Jones or any other quarterback that could emerge between now and the 2013 draft. I am merely arguing that we have the opportunity to use the next two drafts to increase our overall chances of landing a franchise quarterback without costing us the precious draft resources necessary to solidify the team around him.
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wow thats pretty deep ken
i know 1 thing i can not wait to see rg3`s big smile after he helps us to the playoffs and superbowl trip or 2 for the next 10-15 years
munson21502 - January 11, 2012
Is he going to help us by beating teams ahead of us as the Cleveland Browns qb?
hahahah…if we draft him, I won’t bitch and moan. But I would sure like to see us add picks instead of ship them away.
It will be a crazy ride no matter what, right?
Ken Meringolo - January 11, 2012
yes your right. i can not wait for FA and the draft!
munson21502 - January 11, 2012
The Browns will not Draft RG3
I am absolutely positive that the Browns will not Draft RG3 but instead Holgrem will try and find a Gem in later rounds. The teams I am worried about right now are the Seahawks and Dolphins jumping ahead of us.
RibDawg - January 11, 2012
Why would Holmgren do that?
Donnio1234 - January 11, 2012
Because Holgrem seems to think he is a Guru with QB's
RibDawg - January 11, 2012
I also think he'd prefer to get a Vet
RibDawg - January 11, 2012
He is in a great position to sell high two years in a row
I dont think he sees RG3 as the solution but rather a heap of potential high selections
alwaysremember21 - January 11, 2012
Respectfully, Ken...
your analogy is inaccurate. Picking our mates is like global free agency. There are so many to choose from, and we already have an inclination of mutual interest, from glares to winks, etc. Football organizations are not structured similarly.
I also disagree with your assessment of some who think we are ONLY a QB away. My proposal is such – Any playoff contending organization must be built on a foundation. Now, there are many different philosophies of how that foundation be formed. I would present that the QB needs to be the building force. I don’t believe that we are a QB away, we have a glaring hole in our foundation, since we do not possess a franchise QB. Even the term “Franchise” denotes the importance of the position. We have put together some talented, young group of guys, who demonstrated a competitive effort this passed year. This organization needs the face, the leader, and that individual needs to be a QB. Do we acquire via draft or FA, that is the debate. My contention is that we select one from the draft, and build around that individual, letting him become the face of the organization. Will there be some who disagree? I’m sure of it. But that is my perspective.
jgibbsfan1 - January 11, 2012
"Global free agency"???
Don’t tell my wife that! She was under the impression that it was a much smaller pool than that!
Ken Meringolo - January 11, 2012
that is PRE-WEDDING, Ken....
not Post-Committed…
jgibbsfan1 - January 11, 2012
Franchise Wife
Ken, I had a franchise wife.
redskins-texas-fan - January 11, 2012
trading up? well, I'm just not into high-maintenance women, so fitting that bill wouldn't be my cup of choice
….that being said, I have a feeling that Griffin may very well be available at the 6th spot…part of me thinks many teams will address their QB needs in free agency or stand pat thinking they could pick up somebody in a later round
atark001 - January 11, 2012
i think the reason alot of us want or say we will trade up is
we want our coach to stay here… if he does another trade back. over pays a flynn type or gets a 2nd round qb that doesnt pan out. this 3 year rebuild will be done all over again by a new coaching staff in 2 years or so. thats why im i ready to gamble on rg3 this year. i want shanahan to go down swinging not just sit there and watch strike 3
munson21502 - January 11, 2012
if you trade up to get RG3
you will end up gutting the next 2 drafts . sure a "franchise qb " is a glaring hole but how does us being sam bradford and the rams , save shanahan’s job ?
look at the cba , it will force you to use 90% of the cap so free agency will not plug a lot of these needs ,
the next 2 drafts could have us picking in round 3 at the earliest . How many 1st year starters are you going to find from round 3 on ?
i would look at signing Flynn to a front loaded contract and i would draft a tannehill or foles in round 2. if RG3 didnt fall to us . then later in the draft i would pick a moore or wilson or lindley and have 3 shots to get our guy while filling other needs as well
skinsdad62 - January 11, 2012
Starters Rd 3 and on
Helu, Royster, Hankerson,Gomes, Nield. Thats just a couple of the top of my head who were starters and were drafted in the last two years
RibDawg - January 11, 2012
Helu should have been starting all year
However, the rest of those you listed were spot starters due to injury….and I dont think Neild started one game all year
StephanHart - January 11, 2012
So dont fall under the illusion that you can build a competitive team through late round picks only
StephanHart - January 11, 2012
Honestly don't think Helu could've held up all year
Parks Smith - January 11, 2012
I'd agree...
StephanHart - January 11, 2012
I still think if we had to Nield could have started
RibDawg - January 11, 2012
trading up is like stealing someone elses girlfriend
and having to pay money for her….
jbh1190 - January 11, 2012
the post before this one argued that we could get the pick without
gutting….do you disagree with Bunting/
DavidDunn - January 11, 2012
Skins - I'm not sure that trading up to (say) #2 to lock up RG3 would gut the next two drafts
According to the draft chart, our #6 is only a thousand points or so below #2, and less for #3 – very doable. Maybe this year’s 4th and next year’s first, or something like that. The main threat is Cleveland, and they might drop out (say, by getting Flynn or just saying they were going for somebody else), leaving us in the catbird seat. Only outbid a jumper if we have to. But the uncertainly may be brutal. Another big factor is that we don’t know who Shanahan wants – it is quite possible that he actually prefers somebody like Tannehill, Foles, Weeden or Flynn over RG3, or is at least willing to accept them, rather than trading up. By the way, some on HH have said that Tannehill and Foles might be gone by the second round – QBs are hot properties these days.
Donnio1234 - January 11, 2012
So what would be looking at sending
for the second pick? I fear a lot.
cdmcc - January 11, 2012
here is what Bunting said...according to the last post
I think he is underestimating, but there is one experts take?
DavidDunn - January 11, 2012
pretty sure he meant 6th overall pick
Parks Smith - January 11, 2012
right so it's a 2nd and Orakpo or Kerrigan
or a 2nd and next year’s 1st…..i think shanny would give up next year’s 1st for sure, he is a cocky SOB and surely thinks he should win 10+ and if he only wins 4 then he is probably gone anyway
DCrez - January 11, 2012
A 1st, a 2nd, and Orakpo/Kerrigan
Parks Smith - January 11, 2012
do you think that is what it would take in terms of player?
what about a Riley, or Royster?
Do you think we would have to get to the Kerrigan Orakpo level to limit us to a 1 and 2?
Probably, but asking assuming salaries could come into play
DavidDunn - January 11, 2012
actually..I think more would be required...
but I guess i am asking do you now agree with Bunting…you seemed to imply a few days ago that this is heavily underestimating the cost…(this is about what the chart says, and you strongly disagreed with it)
DavidDunn - January 11, 2012
If it's the Rams,
then Orakpo & Kerrigan are not the players or player we would be giving up
ENsDad27 - January 11, 2012
Or the Vikings for that matter, which leaves us with... nothing
Unless the Vikings were willing to take DHall or Trent Williams. How is that oline looking for RG3?
Parks Smith - January 11, 2012
The Rams would want Williams
They are set at DE (Chris Long, Robert Quinn & Eugene Sims). I don’t know about the Vikes, maybe Orakpo or Kerrigan but also a good chance of TW. Either way, I would make that deal.
ENsDad27 - January 11, 2012
what thats like picking the first rebuilding block that we placed up
Here we go guys here starts our rebuild and we laid the ceremonial first block trent williams
2 years later
TW is the only block on the ground on the offensive side and we lift him out of the dirt to pay for our front door?
jbh1190 - January 11, 2012
does anyone really want him?
my guess is his trade value sucks, guy was busted a dozen times for pot and will now be suspended for 12 months for the next puff….that is a huge risk
DCrez - January 11, 2012
If a team doesn't want TW, and Orakpo isn't a fit, then who the hell else would they want from us?
Parks Smith - January 11, 2012
our 1st round pick next year.
and as i said, a 2nd and next year’s 1st is a price I think shanny will pay if he likes RG3
DCrez - January 11, 2012
How many times has he been busted for Pot ??
& has he really played like the 4th pick in the draft ?? I will take a player that has RGIIIs talent & potential over an under achieving, disinterested Pot head
ENsDad27 - January 11, 2012
YOU'D BE CRAZY TO GIVE UP Orakpo/Kerrigan!!!!
RibDawg - January 11, 2012
recd
jbh1190 - January 11, 2012
Maybe....
but I think you are crazy to continue to go with lousy QBs
ENsDad27 - January 11, 2012
yes...I assumed that as well...didn't even see that typo...
just passed right over that part
DavidDunn - January 11, 2012
and do we have
such a player to send?
cdmcc - January 11, 2012
oh sure go the Vinny Cerrato route, and draft 3 receivers cause you cant identify a guy and develop him. BTW how did that work out???? not so good
Highspeed30 - January 11, 2012
Rec'd.Excellent Analysis from the "other side of the fence"
I was actually about to write something similar relating to my experiences on a penny auction site.
One other point I would like to add about something I hear often–"we will never have a pic this high again, we must take a quarterback at all costs"
I chuckle every time I read this… look at the last four years and then look at the potential for 2012; I think you can dispel any fear of not having on opportunity in the future.
If Shanahan is fired because he can’t find a QB to fit his system in three years, then he deserves it. We fans have to realize that just because a player or a coach has a name or a reputation does not mean they will work out here.
There is always the potential, but in Washington for some reason it very rarely materializes.
My own theory for this is what I call the "Kent curse", ever since the sale to Dan Snyder, this franchise has been snakebitten.
Skins Fan '77 - January 11, 2012
If Shanahan is fired because he can’t find a QB to fit his system in three years, then he deserves it.
let’s say he does not trade up, Griffin is gone, we sign flynn and/or draft a lesser prospect, or whatever. wouldn’t shanahan get fired for essentially not doing what some of us don’t want him to do (trade up)? also, i think he should be given a mulligan this year considering he addressed other weaknesses (and didn’t take blaine gabbert, thank god)
marc.nicholls1 - January 11, 2012
That is all to Dan Snyder…
He will make the decision, not anyone else.
The point I was trying to make is that if he is indeed fired because of lack of productivity at quarterback, it is his own fault.
The Shanahan’s are the ones who made the decisions at quarterback for the last two years, and will make this year–I find it hard for them to have a viable excuse if they fail.
It is the coach’s job to get production from all the players on the team. Quarterback is only an issue because they made it so.
Skins Fan '77 - January 11, 2012
i hear you
i guess I’m just arguing that he shouldn’t be fired. But let’s see what he does this offseason.
marc.nicholls1 - January 11, 2012
I think Snyder will also make the decision on trading up or not.
DCrez - January 11, 2012
If Snyder makes the decision, Shanahan will have walked
StephanHart - January 11, 2012
oh he can't get fired regardless of next years record
jbh1190 - January 11, 2012
Why is that?
I think he’ll stay for his fourth year, but I’m sort of wondering your explanation.
mbedner - January 11, 2012
if danny boy makes the decision to trade up
shanahan cant be held responsible for the pick. unless danny makes the move up and shanny takes someone other then who he was told to.
jbh1190 - January 11, 2012
Apparently you haven't been following this team very long
Parks Smith - January 11, 2012
i dont think shan will let it happen like that
jbh1190 - January 11, 2012
Owners always make decisions like that.
and shanny wont walk under any circumstance.
DCrez - January 11, 2012
Shanahan's deal with Snyder is that Shanahan gets to make the football decisions, not the owner
StephanHart - January 11, 2012
And what is Shanahan going to do if Snyder
decides to break the deal?
Not saying he will…but I think a “pact” with Snyder is a bit overblown…he is going to do what he wants…hopefully he believes that is a good thing….
DavidDunn - January 11, 2012
He will walk
StephanHart - January 11, 2012
and leave $14mill on the table? No chance whatsoever
DCrez - January 11, 2012
You think he needs the money?
He already had plenty, now he’ll have made $21 million in 3 seasons here.
He came here to coach again, reaffirm his legacy, and provide an environment conducive to allowing his son to becoming a head coach.
He wants to do it his way, and it’s not about the money
StephanHart - January 11, 2012
correcto
Al_CaPWNED - January 11, 2012
I think he wants the money, didnt say he needs it.
He’d get himself fired before he quit imo
DCrez - January 11, 2012
I believe Dan himself that he is not going to meddle in football decisions
Snyder is just too smart for that. And Shanahan would not accept it, anyway. It is likely, however, that Dan will, in various ways, show what he wants, and Mike would be well advised to not ignore it. The politics of it is, that if Shanahan doesn’t get a top QB, and the season is a bust, Shanahan will get canned.
Donnio1234 - January 11, 2012
Conversely, if he does get a top QB
his job is safe, even if the guy is a bust. Of course, I’m not really sure if Shanahan is the bureaucratic type. I know how I’d play it, but I’m not Shanahan.
Donnio1234 - January 11, 2012
He'll play
this is also about getting his son installed as the Head Coach and you can bet even the great Shanny has been sufficiently deferential to Dan. The team sucks and Snyder is paying him $7mill/yr….that shit is real!
DCrez - January 11, 2012
i think they follow the mold that his son had in Houston
take a flyer on a FA for now and get your #1 WR
therefore we get flynn and blackmon da na na na na na na na na nuh
i’m happy
jbh1190 - January 11, 2012
Actually, Flynn is probably good enough - or a big enough name -
to save Shanahan’s job. I.e., it doesn’t have to be one of the top guys in the draft. It could even be one of the second tier guys, like Tannehill, Foles and Weeden. I wonder on the timing – do they have to move on Flynn before the draft, or can they wait and see how the draft goes, then still get Flynn if they couldn’t get somebody suitable in the draft? It appears that there are only a few teams badly in need of a QB, so if Flynn goes to one of our competitors, we have a better chance to get our guy – one less foe to worry about.
Reading the analyses of the various prospects, i am encouraged – it seems that there are at least 6 prospects (Luck, RG3, Tannehill, Foles, Weeden and Flynn) who would look good in a Redskins uniform, and could hopefully take over from Rex during the season.
Donnio1234 - January 11, 2012
I agree.
iH8dallas - January 11, 2012
Tear
Very well written
StephanHart - January 11, 2012
Fellow Skin fans are so funny. You think there is any less risk in not picking the right QB this year? The end game is coming for Shanny. You don’t get years to rebuild without winning in the NFL these days (and especially not with Snyder behind the wheel). There will be no consistent winning without a massive upgrade at QB since the Skins had some of the worst QB play in the league this year.
The risk of not taking the best chance to upgrade the QB position is just as great because we all know the chaos that will come when Snyder pulls the plug on the Shanny.
HogtieJim - January 11, 2012
ah yes
There comes a time in everyones life where they can no longer equate a bachelor paradise to eating a giant hunk of cheese in their boxer shorts.
the summer of the redskins approaches
Al_CaPWNED - January 11, 2012
I'd love to see the Rams hire the Panther's Offensive Coordinator
That means them possibly taking RG3 and trade away Bradford who would be perfect for us.
TerpsAllTheWay - January 11, 2012 via mobile
Does this mean I have to buy Matt Flynn flowers?
Can I do that, but still leave the impression in the Colts’ heads that I’ll put out for them for the first pick, and hope Luck doesn’t think I’m cheap?
All the while, keeping RG3’s parent’s sweet about my intentions for their precious offspring? What if Tannehill has really shitty taste in music?
I’m confused. It was much less complicated when I got in tow with the wife. No wonder Coach Joe ended up trading for the Campbell pick…
Stephen Beagrie - January 11, 2012
Shanny put himself in a bad spot the past two years.
If the analogy is the husband is Shanny and his wife is the fanbase, well that mofo messed up.
He better hit Tiffany’s with the American Express (Robert Griffin) and get us something nice.
Also Ken, did you get the idea for this post from my analogy of me banging dimes and Stephan getting it in with grenades?
iH8dallas - January 11, 2012
I can honestly say--and I can't stress this enough--
I have no idea what you are talking about.
But that did not keep me from laughing when I read it. The truth is we are all generally inspired by you, ih8…some in different ways than others. hahaha
Ken Meringolo - January 11, 2012
Yeah, it was some nonsense from yesterday.
But I’m glad to inspire. I’ll convert everyone eventually. They will see my genius.
iH8dallas - January 11, 2012
Who would have thought taking a massive amount of shrums and posting on HH would be a bad idea
You live and learn I guess.
mbedner - January 11, 2012
Caps and stems baby!
iH8dallas - January 11, 2012
*Shrooms
mbedner - January 11, 2012
Agh...
You’re the reason why the Redskins fanbase can’t have nice things.
mbedner - January 11, 2012
Why am I the reason?
iH8dallas - January 11, 2012
I think we need to continue the path we were set on. Don't blow the load on one player (ie continue to do everything we have been doing as a franchise prior to Shanahan)
We need to continue to rebuild and do so with as many pieces as possible. I fully support the idea of drafting Ryan Tannehill and letting him sit behind an established FA starter next year. I think we’ll be decent enough next year for Shanny to keep his job. No need to make a desperate move for RG3 and give up the farm.
mbedner - January 11, 2012
Because you perpetuate this need of instant gratification that we've had to deal with for so long
mbedner - January 11, 2012
The point is to win.
We just have two different ideas on how to get there.
I trust in Bruce Allen.
iH8dallas - January 11, 2012
But your way forgoes the draft essentially and would inheriently focus of FA
You would get rid of a ton of picks for one player. In the end the only other way to suppliment the teams needs is through FA. FA has never been something that worked out for us. I’d rather continue to draft and develop our own guys and use FA as a tool, not a crutch, for team building. I say either stay put and draft BPA or trade down for more picks. NO trading up!
mbedner - January 11, 2012
It's not really a ton of picks. Three at best.
iH8dallas - January 11, 2012
Three high picks!
I don’t think it’s worth it. Those picks could be a high-ceiling Tannehill type QB, a guard, and a #1 WR. Why take the chance on trading up for an unproven commodity? Trade down acquire picks, I say.
mbedner - January 11, 2012
Well, we don't have a say in the matter. So we'll just have to see what happens.
iH8dallas - January 11, 2012
I agree.
But, I’m sure this won’t be the last time we debate the same scenario prior to the draft.
mbedner - January 11, 2012
Even if we stay put or trade back, I want a QB.
If it’s Tannehill/Foles I want them to start day one.
iH8dallas - January 11, 2012
I still prefer to ease the QB in slowly unless it's Luck
I’d even make RG3 sit for at least four to six games
mbedner - January 11, 2012
And who would ease them in? Rex?
There will be mayhem after the first int.
iH8dallas - January 11, 2012
Rex eases nothing in! He slams it in there because he is the Sex Cannon!
irishgoon - January 11, 2012
Too much?
irishgoon - January 11, 2012
Sounds painful
mbedner - January 11, 2012
No, some other FA QB
Not sure who, yet, but certainly not Flynn
mbedner - January 11, 2012
is it weird that I have the fear of anything with the number eight?
irishgoon - January 11, 2012
I'm pretty sure it's justified at this point
mbedner - January 11, 2012
ochophobia!
irishgoon - January 11, 2012
I can't drink tomato juice anymore.
iH8dallas - January 11, 2012
i will scribble out the 8 so it is just V
irishgoon - January 11, 2012
But you're losing EIGHT daily servings of vegitables
not to mention tons of vitamins and minerals essential for a healthy coat.
mbedner - January 11, 2012
Those don't come cheap.
Nobody wants to sign here unless they want to know they are the starter.
iH8dallas - January 11, 2012
Alex smith resigned with the niners despite drafting kapernack
The titans grabbed Matt Hassleback even though they drafted Locker. You find the FA QBs out there. It’s worth the search. We have the cap room to spare and will only have more if we get rid of some older players and sign some draft picks.
mbedner - January 11, 2012
i thought we did and thats why we were discussing this?
jbh1190 - January 11, 2012
yeah acquire picks on more unproven commodities?? that is a real good plan, if you trad down the most you gonna pick up is maybe another 3rd round pick, that is all they got from Jacksonville last year maybe a 4th Wow what a deal. there aint no julio jones deals out there for no player @ 6 this year
Highspeed30 - January 11, 2012
Yeah that's right
Having more picks increases the probility that you’ve selected good players. If I was a gambling man, I’d want more chips to try and increase my probability of winning.
mbedner - January 11, 2012
No
It will be more than three. Throw that old chart out, it doesn’t account for the rookie wage scale. Top picks are more attractive now, and correspondingly more expensive.
tuckwell - January 11, 2012 via iPhone app
do you really believe that those who the Griffin is the best option
expect instant gratification? Knowing that it will cost picks?
Is that logical?
DavidDunn - January 11, 2012
i remember a few months ago
nobody here wanted griffin…they all just have there qb goggles on and are willing to settle for something they dont want because they are blinded by the need for a qb.
jbh1190 - January 11, 2012
some people were calling for RG3 from the get go.
DCrez - January 11, 2012
Who? 99% of Skins fans had no idea who he was on 9/1
Parks Smith - January 11, 2012
i've been saying he was better than Barkley since the day I got here
granted that wasnt 9/1…but it was definitely before the Heisman hype and I must have posted half a dozen youtube links before the Oklahoma game really blew him up back in November
DCrez - January 11, 2012
yeeeaaa.... thats not the get go... to say that before the season would have been uber impressive
In November… not so much. All you said is you like him more than Barkley… not exactly “calling for him” in my book.
But hey, kudos to you for sticking by your man.
Parks Smith - January 11, 2012
who is this rg cubed guy you keep talking about?
Ken Meringolo - January 11, 2012
Parks Smith - January 11, 2012
Friends call him "three stacks"
Parks Smith - January 11, 2012
furthermore, there is no way to solve the Barkley/RG3 debate until like 2015 now, haha
Parks Smith - January 11, 2012
most people rating Barkley higher
are just sticking by their guns after already drooling over him before seeing much of Griffin. IMHO…having never seen either player before, big majority would take Griffin after watching the film.
DCrez - January 11, 2012
It's not about who is rated higher.
If you asked me who is the more talented QB, I’d say Griffin.
If you asked me who will likely go higher in the draft I’d tell you Griffin.
If you asked me who I think would be a better QB for the Washington Redskins, I’d tell you Barkley.
Parks Smith - January 11, 2012
but you never explain that.
Vague stuff about the “system” notwithstanding, there’s really never an argument for why exactly Barkley would succeed moreso than RG3
DCrez - January 11, 2012
I've been over the Barkley v. RG3 diebat several times.
I think they are very comparable prospects and the coaching and offense Barkley runs in college would benefit him more right out of the gate.
Parks Smith - January 11, 2012
so your argument is that Barkely would be better the initial 2 months of their careers or so?
so he’s the guy that should be drafted?
Do you think their arm’s are comparable? I dont think any scouts would agree with that
DCrez - January 11, 2012
beat me to it...
DavidDunn - January 11, 2012
Yep guys, that's exactly what I was saying... 2 months.
Double D, you have said several times that Shanahan’s job rest in the fate of our QB and record next year. So if you were Shanahan wouldn’t you rather draft a guy that can hit the ground running?
Barkley is pro ready, in my opinion, and excels in the bootleg, which lil’ Shanny loves.
Once again:
2A and 2B. Griffin certainly is more mobile and has the better deep ball, but Barkley is more accurate and has a more polished technique. I also think Barkley goes through his progressions better. Both guys have awesome work ethic, tremendous leadership skills, and are great guys off the field.
Parks Smith - January 11, 2012
so are you saying you think Barkley is
better short term or long term for the Skins…
DavidDunn - January 11, 2012
Why?
Better fit for Shanahan? Why do you think a more talented QB will do worse for the a team? It is a very odd take.
(and no, you didn’t answer that in the last thread)
DavidDunn - January 11, 2012
Have you ever been to Toronto?
Parks Smith - January 11, 2012
Yes....
(no one is forcing you to respond?)
DavidDunn - January 11, 2012
Have you ever had Cheerwine?
Parks Smith - January 11, 2012
i was responding too "i remember a few months ago nobody here wanted Griffin"
a few months ago there were people calling for him
DCrez - January 11, 2012
And I gave you a kudos, that's big
Parks Smith - January 11, 2012
but that isn't really the question
how do you define instant gratification…maybe we are talking about something different?
Do you mean in wins?
DavidDunn - January 11, 2012
mark my words rg3 will be
a 2 year hype at most then they’ll make fun of him on esp….in
jbh1190 - January 11, 2012
still not answering the question...
DavidDunn - January 11, 2012
Did you skip breakfast today?
Parks Smith - January 11, 2012
relevance?
Especially to the last post?
DavidDunn - January 11, 2012
How many times have you gone to the bathroom in your whole life?
Parks Smith - January 11, 2012
never....and you? Because your posting
prevalence seems to be right up there?
But now I get the joke….
DavidDunn - January 11, 2012
Why did you use the word prevalence?
Parks Smith - January 11, 2012
Finally a good question...
because i meant presence and should have clicked preview….
But I will admit…I looked pretty hard for a way to relate prevalence with going the bathroom just to mess with you…. ;)
Couldn’t do it though….FAIL
DavidDunn - January 11, 2012
What made you join this community?
Parks Smith - January 11, 2012
are you asking in jest or do you really want to know?
i ask because I have no clue as to what that question has to do with this thread…
Here are you last 5 comments after you jumped in to me asking what someone defined as instant gratification, who accused other of wanting a QB for that reason exclusively?
So I really can’t tell if you are trolling your own blog, tired, or genuinely interested…
But I hope you realize how odd your last few responses have been?
DavidDunn - January 11, 2012
Sorry, I thought it was "Follow someone around from post to post and ask dumb question" Day
Parks Smith - January 11, 2012
Oh...I get it.
I will leave it to other to evaluate if that is a dumb question, or if the editor of this site is make dumb statements.
DavidDunn - January 11, 2012
I see him as having a tebow like start
huge games come from behind wins (probably better numbers like newtons) but i don’t see him keeping that up i see him failing
instant gratification.
its like a jolly rancher the flavor is so strong and great at first then its like ouch this candy cut my mouth
jbh1190 - January 11, 2012
based on what?
DCrez - January 11, 2012
on jolly ranchers that cut my mouth after i mention how good it is?
jbh1190 - January 12, 2012
Can someone post Mel Kipers Draft Re-grading from ESPN Insider?
Thank you!
jmpalomo - January 11, 2012
Post draft grade C+, New grade B
Summary: This felt like a novelty — a Redskins draft with a ton of picks. The story of this draft was the fact that Washington didn’t see a quarterback it wanted. Given the returns in the range in which the Redskins would have picked, it looks like a good calculation, at least in the short term. Only moving way down the board and ending up with Dalton could have looked better.
Instead, the Redskins traded down, got Ryan Kerrigan at No. 16 and really aced the pick. Kerrigan picked up 7.5 sacks and played exactly as his draft projection had him pegged. Round 2 pick Jarvis Jenkins never saw the field because of injury, but both running back picks, Roy Helu and Evan Royster, played well when given the time, and I still think Leonard Hankerson has a chance to develop. Maurice Hurt looks like a seventh-round keeper. Having a lot of picks can help; it certainly helped this grade rise over the course of the season.
SCSkin21 - January 11, 2012
Which team had the best grades? Cincy?
mbedner - January 11, 2012
Are you asking which team had the best pre or post draft grades?
SCSkin21 - January 11, 2012
Yep.
mbedner - January 11, 2012
Both really
mbedner - January 11, 2012
Here are all of them:
Bills: B/B+
Dolphins: B-/B
Patriots: C+/C+
Jets: B/C+
Ravens: B+/A-
Bengals: A-/A+
Browns: B+/A-
Steelers: B+/B-
Texans: B/A-
Colts: B+/C
Jaguars: C-/D
Titans: C/B
Broncos: B/B
Cheifs: C+/C
Raiders: C+/B+
Chargers: B+/C+
Cowboys: B-/C+
Giants: B-/C
Eagles: C+/C
Redskins: C+/B
Bears: B/C
Lions: A-/B
Packers: B+/B
Vikings: C+/C-
Falcons: C+/B
Panthers: C/A-
Saints: B/C+
Bucs: B+/B
Cards: B-/B
49ers: C+/A
Seattle: D+/C-
Rams: B/C+
Parks Smith - January 11, 2012
Spank you helpy helperton
irishgoon - January 11, 2012
1995 called
It want’s it’s joke back
mbedner - January 11, 2012
i don't think they even want that joke back
jbh1190 - January 11, 2012
i still like it
irishgoon - January 11, 2012
This should amuse you then
mbedner - January 11, 2012
haha yeah thats what H8 does when Twilight gets mentioned
irishgoon - January 11, 2012
don't make me break out the Fire Marshal Bill on ya!
irishgoon - January 11, 2012
apparently, that little baby has done its job and has kept you occupied
Two posts… nice
mbedner - January 11, 2012
not the baby, only you cupcake
irishgoon - January 11, 2012
you make a boy blush
mbedner - January 11, 2012
sure do! Just ask H8
irishgoon - January 11, 2012
It's true.
iH8dallas - January 11, 2012
I'm not surprised lol
mbedner - January 11, 2012
aww cmon old ones are fun, its better than hearing people EVERY single day say the same ones
I love Chapelle but when the Rick James skit came out, it almost came to blows b/c too many people did it….and poorly
irishgoon - January 11, 2012
Just as I predicted
It really is hard to grade Cincy poorly after getting both Green and Dalton
mbedner - January 11, 2012
which is why we need our own version
BlackMAN and Weeden
the fans could go
BLACKMAN da na na na na na na na na nuh on his TD receptions!
jbh1190 - January 11, 2012
1960s called they want their joke back
And his name is Blackmon
Parks Smith - January 11, 2012
i know
but it’d be awesome to say BLACKMAN NA NA NA NA NA
jbh1190 - January 11, 2012
Yea I'm sure that wouldn't be construed as racist at all
Parks Smith - January 11, 2012
From the comments it seemed that Kiper also included the two picks from Oakland in his evaluation
Parks Smith - January 11, 2012
Skins getting a B without Jarvis Jenkins playing, and picking up Willie Smith as a FA
Pretty darn good with 13 players from last years rookies on next years team.
jmpalomo - January 11, 2012
They are draft grades, so Smith didn't count.
Parks Smith - January 11, 2012
I'm counting him! He might be our starting Left Tackle
jmpalomo - January 11, 2012
I meant Right Tackle
jmpalomo - January 11, 2012
Lets hope not
Parks Smith - January 11, 2012
thinking about all of the other guys that could be there
irishgoon - January 11, 2012
There were a few teams with post draft A rankings
Best: Bengals (A+), 49ers (A) Ravens (A-), Browns (A-), Texans (A-), Panthers (A-)
Worst: Jags (D), Vikings (C-)
NFC East: Skins (B), Giants ©, Eagles ©, Cowboys (C+)
SCSkin21 - January 11, 2012
Those (C) are supposed to be C's, obviously
SCSkin21 - January 11, 2012
Vikings
Are in an interesting position – who do they go for?
cdmcc - January 11, 2012
The Best Left Tackle, The Best Wide Receiver, The Best Shutdown Cornerback or The Best Running BAck in the Entire Draft
jmpalomo - January 11, 2012
Usually happens when you draft at #2
Parks Smith - January 11, 2012
best kicker also
Parks Smith - January 11, 2012
Which makes you think
If Jenkins had stayed injury free – but then again if your Aunt had nuts…
cdmcc - January 11, 2012
saw them once called her uncle ever since
jbh1190 - January 11, 2012
I respectfully disagree with this post
Trading UP for RG3 is the ONLY way to go. The quarterback position has haunted this franchise for years. We are a few draft picks away from POSSIBLY, (yes, i said possibily) fixing it. Alot of people dont think trading up will be worth it. We’re still rebuilding. We’ll lose too many draft picks. Blah Blah Blah.
Aside from Kerrakpo, we haven’t drafted ANYONE in the first 2 rounds that makes a difference to this franchise since 2004 (sean taylor). Dont believe me? Check it out.
2nd rounder-jenkins-never saw the field
1st rounder-williams- missed alot of time, due to bong hits
2nd rounder-thomas-gone
2nd rounder-kelly-gone
2nd rounder-davis-missed alot of time, due to bong hits
1st rounder-landry-cant stay healthy
2nd rounder-mcintosh-perry riley (a 4th rounder) took his spot
1st rounder-rogers-gone
1st rounder-campbell-gone
Don’t misinterpret what i’m saying though. Alot of the guys above are/were good players, but not franchise changers. The Qb position is the most important in SPORTS, and ask yourself this question. Would you give up 2-3 of the guys above for a solid, franchise qb? i would! Don’t make such a big deal about giving up picks. At the end of the day, its not gonna break this franchise more than what it is already. THE RISK IS WORTH THE REWARD!!!
jfield1111 - January 11, 2012
I agree with all of this.
Except the Sean Taylor part. Trading up is the only way to go.
iH8dallas - January 11, 2012
You're valuation of 1st and 2nd round picks is so far off, its disturbing
You really think that Sean Taylor is the last high round impactful guy the Redskins have drafted?
StephanHart - January 11, 2012
i said with the exception of kerrapo...
taylor is the BEST player we’ve drafted. if you want to argue that Taylor isnt, it makes my arguement even more valid. we’d have to go back to 2000 for Chris Samuels.
I didnt use the word IMPACTFUL. alot of the guys above were impactful.
FRANCHISE CHANGING, is the word i used.
jfield1111 - January 11, 2012
But saying we should trade away our first and second round picks because we havent drafted well with them in the past is ludicrous
StephanHart - January 11, 2012
not the arguement im trying to make
everyone says trading up will cost too many picks, and thats not the case.
its not like we’re LOSING our 1st round pick, we’re TRADING. we’ll lose a 2nd, maybe a 4th…big deal
jfield1111 - January 11, 2012
And next year's 1, 2 and 4.
If we’re lucky. I’m telling you guys, trading up is going to be more expensive than ever before.
tuckwell - January 11, 2012 via iPhone app
ok...i'll make the same arguement
one more first for a franchise qb?
im in
jfield1111 - January 11, 2012
You mean the possibility of a franchise QB
StephanHart - January 11, 2012
You also said we haven't had anyone besides Kerrako (which is two drafts)
that makes a difference to this franchise. That is so utterly false, it’s almost not worth talking about. Someone who has been “impactful” can certainly be said to have made a difference to this franchise.
I don’t even necessarily disagree with you about wanting RGIII and being willing to trade some (reasonable) amount for the right to acquire him, but your argument is off.
SCSkin21 - January 11, 2012
im giving examples of the drafts we've had
and if some of these 1st and 2nd round guys arent around, we’d still be the same ole redskins….NEEDING A QB
jfield1111 - January 11, 2012
I hear you man
I believe there was just some disagreement over your assessment of the quality of our previous early round draft picks and how that affects the value of having those picks in the future.
If the price tag for getting into position this year for RGIII was just swapping firsts and giving up our 2nd and 4th this year, I’d pull the trigger all day. We’ll just have to see.
SCSkin21 - January 11, 2012
look at ANY of the teams with good solid qbs
saints, packers, pats, steelers….i could take away the last 2 1st rounders from tose teams and they would be the SAME teams. the loss of a 1st rounder is highly overrated. teams can get by with good qb play. if you dont believe me, look at the last 2 1st rounds of the teams above
jfield1111 - January 11, 2012
We aren't those teams
Those teams are loaded with talent on both sides of the ball and have a culture of winning in place. We still have work to do, but can get there.
In Shanny I trust.
SCSkin21 - January 11, 2012
i agree.
my point is the loss of picks is insignificant to a team with Great qb play. we are a good football. a qb will make a ton of difference. dont get me wrong, its not our only need. but we draft 6th, there is a need. lets make it happen
jfield1111 - January 11, 2012
A decade of wasting money on FA though
The draft was secondary really to chasing every high rated FA on the market. Thats’s what’s dumped us here now in the high draft class with so many spaces to fill.
cdmcc - January 11, 2012
I dont want to assume we will be just as bad or worse next season.
Shouldnt the great Mike Shanahan be able to get us to 8 wins next year? That could be the 15th pick, there is no trading up from there to get a franchise qb. And if Shanny cant get us to 8 wins- should he even remain the coach?
Really, that meaningless win vs the Giants (i’m sure they lay awake at night thinking about the loss) fucked everything up. Not that we should have lost, but it sucks our division foe picked that day to not show up….then went ahead with their postseason run.
DCrez - January 11, 2012
I'm not mad about beating the Giants. I loved it.
But if Shanahan can’t get us to eight wins, he does deserve to be fired.
iH8dallas - January 11, 2012
i don't want to think about cannings
i’m tired of them
even if we suck ass with shanahan i just want to suck ass with the same dude for a period of time greater than or equal to 5 years
that sounded wrong
but it feels right
Al_CaPWNED - January 11, 2012
Yes. And this will ensure that the a person who does not suck ass will consider coming to Washington to lead us to glory.
horatius - January 11, 2012
When Shanahan is replaced I mean.
horatius - January 11, 2012
did you live through the Turner years?
Trust me, it was not fun at all
Skins Fan '77 - January 11, 2012
Yep
it sucked…ass
Al_CaPWNED - January 11, 2012
So we have to do it again?
Skins Fan '77 - January 11, 2012
nah because shanahan is a thousand times better
Al_CaPWNED - January 11, 2012
i've come around to Doc Walker's camp on Norval
not going rip him anymore cause the offense hasnt busted a grape since the day he left.
DCrez - January 11, 2012
A lot if good points
I think most of the people who are pro trade up. are just tired of loosing and tired of waiting. they see a guy with comparable stats to luck and say if he has a higer comp% and more td’s(including rushing) why not take a chance on a guy with that potential. if the cost this year would be considerably lower this year. everyone who is saying well have a chance next year to move up is saying they want this team to fail in 2012. next year more teams could be looking for qb’s or might not be intersted in trading back. this is a special situation because not only are we at the top of the draft but we actually need a quaterback.
taylor21 - January 11, 2012
I hear this every year
And every year after it, we are right back in the top of the draft
Skins Fan '77 - January 11, 2012
i thought we were just slated in the top 10 every year?
we actually have to earn our way into the top 10?!?\
sounds like were awesome
jbh1190 - January 11, 2012
the way you worded it made it sound like
if we get matt flynn;
the packers are already married to Aaron Rogers
but they were at the same time banging the crap out of Mat Flynn and are now ready to pimp him out to other teams
that feels dirty lets get our own hoe.
jbh1190 - January 11, 2012
and maybe we can marry her! and have superbowl babies with him
then only then will that qb become a woman in the NFL.
jbh1190 - January 11, 2012
I would love to see a link to someone making this argument
I have not yet seen one person make this argument….not one…but I could have missed it..
It is going to be a heck of a 3 months….strawmen abound….
DavidDunn - January 11, 2012
i don't trust RG3
I much rather get Blackmon or Jeffery followed by o line and Weeden
low risk on all of them and we can sign flynn too and not have to give up picks.
jbh1190 - January 11, 2012
Kalil
We were only a couple of games away from probably having the choice between him and RGIII. Now that would have been interesting. probably a trade back.
cdmcc - January 11, 2012
how can you say that?
low risk? blackmon maybe, not weeden or jeffery
jfield1111 - January 11, 2012
for the price its low risk on weeden
a 3rd for weeden.
before the end of the year many considered jeffery to be better then Blackmon i’m sure theres people out there that still do.
jbh1190 - January 11, 2012
you missed it
hahaha…it has been one of the main arguments from people on this site and others…certainly it has been asserted by plenty of folks around here that this team is playing ball in the postseason with a franchise qb on this roster
Ken Meringolo - January 11, 2012
considering the Giants won the division at 9-7 it isnt far fetched
DCrez - January 11, 2012
hence the argument's popularity
but that wouldn’t make us good necessarily…just good enough to win a down division.
Ken Meringolo - January 11, 2012
Giants are 2 wins from the Superbowl, I'll take it!
i hear you though….i just think if RG3 pans out (of course that’s the key) no one would ever look back and wish we had the picks.
DCrez - January 11, 2012
that much is true
Ken Meringolo - January 11, 2012
that is still 4 more wins....
that is a lot to ask of any QB…much less a rookie one
DavidDunn - January 11, 2012
Certainly
when you have zero cover from the o line.
cdmcc - January 11, 2012
Blackmon
If he was still available at 6 then surely we could trade down, take either Martin or DeCastro and have a second round pick on a QB?
As much as I would love RGIII, I don’t see the point in having a franchise QB getting his head smashed off every week because nobody is blocking and there’s nobody to throw it to.
cdmcc - January 11, 2012
I look at the blamon question like this
Assuming RG3 is gone, and Blackmon falls to us.
IF Shanny wants a late 1st/early 2nd round QB, we HAVE to trade back, because the guy may not be there in the 2nd and we can’t take that risk.
IF Shanny has filled QB during FA, or isn’t worried about the QB being gone by the second, then you pull the trigger on Blackmon. In this case, you can get one OL in FA, draft on in the third. Grab a SS in FA if Laron is gone, and get another Perry Riley and CB in the 4th.
tman5 - January 11, 2012
Well
There’s about seven/eight players who I would say are coveted in this draft and we’re at six. It’s a decent position to be in – we have room for manouver. However given how unknown Snyder’s thoughts are on another crappy season I can see us taking a flyer on RGIII.
cdmcc - January 11, 2012
wow.....
I believe you…as hard as that is to believe…
Did they mean a rookie one too?
That is crazy talk….
DavidDunn - January 11, 2012
I'm a little worried about RG3 after the socks he wore at the press conference today
Parks Smith - January 11, 2012
man those socks are tough
irishgoon - January 11, 2012
yeah i may have to rethink trading up
DCrez - January 11, 2012
haha "So Mike why did you skip on RG3?" .........
irishgoon - January 11, 2012
If you analogize
picking a quarterback with picking a wife, then trading other picks/players would be akin to trading some of your friends to land a wife that is otherwise out of your league. Well, anyone who’s married knows you end up sacrificing “friend time” anyway so why not land the wife with the higher upside?
Now, all that said, let me be clear I am not ready to advocate trading up. First I wanna know which friends I’m giving up.
CJHutch - January 11, 2012
reading before the jump I thought Ken was just depressed...
irishgoon - January 11, 2012
hahahaha
nah…just officially insane.
Ken Meringolo - January 11, 2012
This is getting hard to read everyday.
“We should trade up, we need a franchise QB.”
“Good one Vinny, throw away draft picks again.”
“Just play it safe puss “n” boots."
“I will, we need offensive linemen.”
“But Danny will fire Shanny.”
“But the rebuild!!! We’re going in the right direction.”
“6-10 to 5-11 is the right direction?”
“Shut up! You’re so illiogical.”
And repeat.
iH8dallas - January 11, 2012
Only 106 days away...
http://draftcountdown.com/
SCSkin21 - January 11, 2012
Strap in...
Parks Smith - January 11, 2012
Actually in your case... STRAP ON
Parks Smith - January 11, 2012
poor H8
irishgoon - January 11, 2012
No...Poor Parks!
Somebody had to be on the receiving end.
iH8dallas - January 11, 2012 via mobile
Hahahahaha
mbedner - January 11, 2012
Look for me to keep it up on Wednesdays
I figured you would be the last man standing in these debates…you have a seemingly insatiable appetite for repeating yourself!
hahaha…no, seriously, this offseason might kill us all
Ken Meringolo - January 11, 2012
Look, we got seriously screwed at the quarterback position
On April 1, 2010.
It takes time to recover from that bad of a decision
Skins Fan '77 - January 11, 2012
Just throwin this out there
Holmgren-Hasslebeck reunion? Thoughts?
SpartanFS47 - January 11, 2012 via mobile
Hasslebeck signed a 3 year deal
Parks Smith - January 11, 2012
Disregard haha
SpartanFS47 - January 11, 2012 via mobile
This is a must read for all Redskins fans
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Building-the-Perfect-NFL-General-Manager.html
Skins Fan '77 - January 11, 2012
Very inciteful. Many of the greatest QBs were drafted in later rounds. Look at Joe Montana.
L.G. - January 12, 2012
great article - rec'd and an extra 10 points for slamming Parks!
In general I agree with you that you can’t spend too much on any 1 player but I think all options, including trading up should be explored. if it costs too much then go to plan B but to just dismiss the possibility automatically isn’t wise.
One problem with trading back is that every year there is a big dropoff in talent from the top few (10 or less) picks to the other first rounds picks and those top guys can (as in possibly, not as in automatically) make more of an impact then 2 guys picked later.
aFan4Life - January 12, 2012
RG3
What three players could we get with this years 1 and 2 and next years 1 (the price for RG3) that can help us win faster then RG3? If he comes in and plays like Cam Newton he is worth those picks, and if he is playing and killing it in Cleveland we are 5-11 again and still have no future. There is no place on the roster as glaring as the weakness at quarteback. Also if we have a decent QB we are more likely to sign the right free agents perhaps a Marques Colston that will help put us over the top. As is we won’t sign anybody that can help us long term. Yes we need lineman on both sides of the ball, but thats what those mid round picks are for. We don’t need runningback help, if we can sign one wr in free agency we should be good with Hankerson back, no need in drafting a TE. Defensively we need a corner who will shut up and play and a middle linebacker. We don’t have that many holes that we can’t sign a couple FA’s, do what it takes to draft RG3 and still fill out our roster over the next two seasons. It will take that long to turn things around anyway. The longer we wait on a QB the longer we wait to have any success.
DC Saviour - January 12, 2012
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