Hogs Haven

Thanks for reading and your contribution, haha

I read the entire thing. Thus my reaction.

But it beats RG3 trade up talk.

No, because we’d be drafting in the middle of the 1st round, and we would be hindered in our attempt to draft a guy like Blackmon. I’m kind of glad our QBs sucked haha…if anything, they didn’t suck enough!

OvechkinGR8 - January 12, 2012 reply

Would the Redskins *Have Succeeded

And while I don’t necessarily accept the validity of Bois’ argument (he’s paid to be a Nutty Professor), there’s no getting around the fact that the Redskins needed to play mistake-free football and hope the QB didn’t give the game away. With a good QB we would still need mistake free ball to make the playoffs (which doesn’t happen). With a truly elite quarterback…well, look at the Colts.

But that said, Helu and especially Royster didn’t start to emerge until the latter half of the season. Factor in the instability of the O-line, and barring a good, to very good QB, we don’t make the playoffs this past season. Going forward, with solid drafting, we won’t need an elite QB to make the playoffs…to win a SB, though? Another story…

That's the problem

2011 Favre would not have been an “elite” quarterback. Frankly ,I’m not sure if he would’ve been much better than Grossman. Not even sure if he would’ve thrown less picks.

+1

KenPat - January 12, 2012 reply

Agreed.

And P.S. I hate Brett Favre…conscience-less gunslinger…too bad he wasn’t a combo guard in the NBA…that would have been fun to watch…

He is....he goes by the name of Jordan Crawford!

Or Andray Blatche at the elbow

Who know what goes through his mind. Always says he wants to go in the post more, but every time he gets the ball at the elbow its like his thought is “F’ It I’m Here…BAAALLLLLIN” followed by a loud “CLANK” coming from the bakcboard

He's bad, but Crawford is MUCH WORSE!

I yell at the TV every time he jacks up a shot. He’s like the John Beck of the Wizards, you just want him to be better than he is, but he isn’t, so then you just pray that he can at least be competent and he can’t do that well either. And then to top it all off….Blatche has never indicated that he is better than Michael Jordan, at least his medication is stronger than Crawfords. #SMH

I'm almost willing to give Vinny Cerrato a shot at running the Wiz instead of Grunfield

+1

His method of management might actually work in the NBA. Give up draft picks for guys who are thought yo be past their prime? Kinda like the Celtics did for Ray Allen and KG.

ooooh

Vinny would have traded away our 2010 1st rounder

for Mike Miller and Randy Foye! Wait…

haha, I play a lot of 2K12 and seeing Foye come off the Clippers bench alwasy burns me

alwaysremember21 - January 12, 2012 reply

This is interesting I love how players on the other washington teams even team captain starters can be crapped on

but say one negative thing about a redskin like Gaffney, Hightower, or Cooley who are all very much flawed and you are a huge troll and recieve massive amounts of criticism

There's a lot less forgiveness for guys who play both ways

and are constantly exposed and exploited by opposing teams…

Bullet Nation in Exile - January 13, 2012 reply

Watching 3/5 of our "championship" core

be flotsam on the Mavericks was sobering…

Bullet Nation in Exile - January 13, 2012 reply

So you're a fan

Of Jordan Crawford?

I think more of Gilbert Arenas than Jordan Crawford

And re: Jordan…he has “moxie” right? All-Star.

Bullet Nation in Exile - January 13, 2012 reply

he does have moxie

Unfortunately, he doesn’t have much else at the moment. Apparently his shot (and Wall’s, AND Young’s) didn’t get the memo that the lockout was over.

CJHutch - January 13, 2012 via mobile reply

I diagree

I said this before and I will say it again. Based on the way this year ended up, if all else was the same, we would have at least contended, if not taken, the division with a slightly above average QB which I don’t consider 2011 Rex or 2010 Favre to be.

Bryan Black - January 12, 2012 via Android app reply

So...

barring a good, to very good QB, we don’t make the playoffs this past season

You’re arguing the semantic difference between good and slightly above average?

Let me make it clearer then

Rex is a bad QB, 2010 Favre wasn’t much better. Tavaris Jackson is probably my definition of average. If we had an Alex Smith type QB we are probably on the playoffs right now. Less turnovers, I think he finished with 10 total where Rex had over 25. I think you are smart enough to discern the difference between good and average

Bryan Black - January 13, 2012 via Android app reply

No in fact i think it proves more to the fact that you need to build up an entire team

Steve Shoup - January 12, 2012 reply

Would have won 2 more games

with Favre and finished 7-9, and he would retire…again, and we would be having discussions about who the next redskin QB should be…again

Redskin44 - January 12, 2012 reply

+1

Worse draft position and still no long term solution at QB.

SCSkin21 - January 12, 2012 reply

Yes, but we could have had....

Favres backups backup to be our franchise QB as someone else suggested and then we could fire Shanahan because Favre retired,McDonald’s changed their dollar menu and Obama lost his car keys

Bryan Black - January 12, 2012 via Android app reply

Well they certainly don’t have much of a chance next year with the “kind of bad” (mediocre is a better term) QB play. Just another reason to not even bring back Grossman at all.

Skins must take their best option to get to GOOD QB play as soon as possible. Maybe it won’t be next year if they get a guy like Griffin, but at least he has a legit chance to reach the GOOD level and beyond.

HogtieJim - January 12, 2012 reply

Can you please fix the title.

You’re gonna attract Cowpoke fans.

Just fixed it.

Kevin Ewoldt - January 12, 2012 reply

Thanks

I can sleep now.

Neither Rex nor Beck were disasters?

That’s like saying Casey Anthony isn’t a complete failure as a parent.

Yeah, I kinda chuckled at that.

gosh even with my fav qb of all time we still would suck

now thats discouraging

taylor21 - January 12, 2012 reply

Favre being your favorite QB of all time is discouraging.

I don't think thats a bad thing

Now if Favre was his #1 Best QB of all time…there would be some serious dispute

I don't know how anyone could like Favre after the crap he put football fans through the past 5 to 6 years.

alwaysremember21 - January 12, 2012 reply

you would gladly accept that crap

if he put up a season in washington like he did his first year in minny. And if he threw in a superbowl ring like he did previously in green bay you would be there on the 50 yd line eating your 6 dollar hotdog and drinking your 8 dollar beer while wearing your favre jersey.

davetrembling - January 12, 2012 reply

he just my favorite qb

he’s not the greatest of all time. I lost my dad around the same time he did and the way he played that game made him my fav

taylor21 - January 13, 2012 reply

Hmmm. Where are the Packers and Patriots now with the worst defenses in the NFL?

The 1 seed in both conferences. A franchise Quarterback has you playing this weekend and a sucky QB has you discussing your QB options for next year.

jmpalomo - January 12, 2012 via Android app reply

I didn’t realize the Packers finished with the 32nd ranked D. Man….they need DHall.

Kevin Ewoldt - January 12, 2012 reply

Only the worst in yards allowed.

In the stats that matter (points allowed and turnovers forced) they are much better.

The Packers are 19th in points allowed and 1st in turnovers forced. The Patriots are 15th in points allowed and 3rd in turnovers forced.

Only highly ignorant people use yards allowed as a gauge for defensive strength.

TheDeepBall - January 12, 2012 reply

Its the metric that makes the redskins look best generally

You also have to factor in the fact NE and GB score like 35 points a game so teams will be playing from behind which equals more yards. Wish we had that problem....

dwninit71 - January 12, 2012 reply

Oh I forgot, you want us to have a sucky quarterback

Stats dont lie. A great Quarterback hides many sins (See 2011 colts without Peyton)

jmpalomo - January 12, 2012 via Android app reply

Protection is key too though...

I definitely watched a couple Patriots and Packers games, and especially so with the Patriots, I was surprised how much time Brady had to throw. The dude is almost immobile. Certainly his quick release still can help deal with pressure, but there were a lot of times he didn’t have to worry about it.

Rodgers’ pass protection was certainly shakier at times, and more could be said for his general mobility to get out of danger, but with all the long balls he threw you knew it had to take time to develop.

I hadn’t done any film study or anything, but between Grossman’s long-ball being a good 5 yards shallow and the lack of time for the play to develop, I’m pretty sure that’s a major factor that Armstrong had such a drop-off from last year.

KenPat - January 12, 2012 reply

+1

Steve Shoup - January 12, 2012 reply

Anybody see the new fanpost about Tyler Wilson possibly declaring?

I saw it when I wrote about it last Friday

Ha, reminds me of that phone commercial

“Uh that was so 45 seconds ago”

“Facecake!”

"You guys know how to post a video to facebook?

Haha exactly

thats weird

i been saying that almost all day off and on before i came here lol

hahahaha

That’s almost as good as the AT & T commercial with the guy at dinner with his girlfriend.

Did you just check the game on your phone?

What? No, what am I some kind of summoner who just summons game footage to his phone? Come on!

I guess I’m just a little sensi ~ “Doh” ~
..tive. It’s just that lately ~ “Yesss”

(straight face)

willster - January 12, 2012 reply

yeah that makes me laugh everytime lol

http://www.youtube.com/notify-NGB_Splash_Screen?aHR0cDovL3d3dy55b3V0dWJlLmNvbS93YXRjaD92PVpuUUJqcEZpdzhN

Jeez. Sooorrrrryyy Bob Woodward, must have missed it.

http://www.hogshaven.com/2012/1/6/2687513/college-prospect-preview-cotton-bowl

You must have missed it, you were the most active poster, haha

do you know if tyler wilson put in the paper work to the draft advisory board?

by atark001 on Jan 6, 2012 2:19 PM EST

Yep he did in early December, said he likely be back at the time

by Parks Smith on Jan 6, 2012 2:22 PM EST

So you’re saying there’s a chance.

by iH8dallas on Jan 6, 2012 2:32 PM EST

I drink on Fridays.

aaaaaaaaaaand

rec’d

Anything new on that front

I’ve been trying my best to contain myself.

Not really, just that he more seriously considering declaring, we'll know by Sunday at the latest

ok, I guess I can wait

I’d still be surprised to see him declare, though less so than before. Truthfully, his stock may never be higher.

CJHutch - January 13, 2012 via mobile reply

im 95% sure

if we had a good qb last year we woulda went 6-0 with the way the other nfc east teams were playing early in the year. then the injury bug hit us. and i think the other qb woulda helped us win at least 4 more after that. which woulda been good to win the nfc east this year…

thanks for the laugh

TheDeepBall - January 12, 2012 reply

your welcome

sad thing is its true. we were the worst in the nfl in the give away take way stat. which almost any coach will tell if you lose that your not gonna win. we were lucky to get 5 wins. thats why i think we are better then our record this year. now next year our schedule will be a little harder and the rest of the nfc east should be better. so if we get a good qb we should be right at 8-8 to 10-6 the year after we should be able to start mking some deep playoff runs if we can stay healthy

Just hang on a second

I know, I know… almost everyone here is going to have a complete meltdown if we don’t get a top 10 quarterback.
But look at this article and notice how many times the Redskins scored 35 points or more consistently without a top 10 quarterback… at some point, you have to emit it has a lot to do with the team as a whole. Brady would not be Tom terrific without the patriots.
A new quarterback is not going to fix the offense by himself
http://www.csnwashington.com/blog/redskins-talk/post/The-points-dont-soar-for-these-Redskins-?blockID=629620&feedID=6355

Skins Fan '77 - January 12, 2012 reply

Wow 1998, that seems relevant

http://youtu.be/OTya267fe1Y

I know that many here think that the NFL only began in the year 2000

But truthfully, 20 years is not that long ago, the game has not changed that much.
Besides, I was signing with you… a quarterback is not going to fix the offense this year or last without some help.

You look at it from his point of view–we sent the last decade or so looking for a quarterback to no avail; why not take the "build it, and they will come" approach?
I know it was a long time ago, but it worked well enough for us to win three super Bowls with three forgettable quarterbacks.
I think you would be hard-pressed to prove that this isn’t the case for some of today’s elite quarterbacks-they may not turn out as well if they had stepped into the pile of crap that is our offense.
Try to keep an open mind…

Skins Fan '77 - January 12, 2012 reply

That's pretty damn sad

Nothing but mediocrity and suckitude as a Redskin fan.

BAFGA - January 12, 2012 via Android app reply

I think Rex and Farve both sing this to themselves before the game.

alwaysremember21 - January 12, 2012 reply

maybe Favre wouldn't make a big difference but many other QBs would have

Of course most of those QBs are signed and not interested or able to move.

aFan4Life - January 12, 2012 reply

thanks for the post

but tell me why we would pay farve a huge salary to get us to 7-9 ?

skinsdad62 - January 12, 2012 reply

Im pissed at the FA we have already the Cerratoness of bringing in Favre would have inspired a riot against Shanallenahan

I havent forgotten about that Donovan deal

Let it go!

It’s over…and by the way a buddy of mine ran into McNabb in reston a few weeks back and he was talking shit about Rex! Wow, that QB fraternity is a tight one!

Bryan Black - January 12, 2012 via Android app reply

I will continue to disagree with the idea that a QB wouldn't change things.

This

Is Better Than….

This