1. Well, Giants fans are going to be hard to live with for a while.
2. How in God's name did they get that call wrong on the Packers' first half scoring drive? That ball was out and should have been awarded to the Giants. I just don't understand how you have a review process and still get it so wrong.
3. I find it hilarious that the Denver season was over for a matter of minutes before the chorus of Tebow doubt started up in full force again. Tebow was a huge part of what got the Broncos to the postseason. That is undeniable. As a Redskins fan, I am simply infuriated that these talking head idiots would insult me by suggesting Tim Tebow should not be allowed to move forward as a starting quarterback. Have they seen us play lately? Have they seen the parade of jokers we have trotted out under center for the last decade? We all can have our opinion of Tebow, but who among us Redskins fans would not take what he did for Denver this year? Think about the hope for the future that Broncos fans will carry with them through the offseason. I would take that for sure.
4. I will talk more about this in my Wednesday column, but today let me say this: The most important decision/move/component of our offseason is our second round pick in the 2012 draft. That player will not only determine how well we did in the draft, but could very well factor into whether or not our franchise is ready to contend for a wild card--next year.
5. If you could pick any coach currently available to join our staff, who would it be?
6. Who would you rather bring in as a late draft pick quarterback flier: Kellen Moore or Russell Wilson?
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This has to be the least amount of words
Ken has ever written in a piece…
I’d take Wilson over Moore. I’ve constantly said I’m intrigued by him, but cant find any footage of him.
UkRedskin - January 16, 2012
BTN highlights
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlWnTQNIsJc&feature=player_embedded
Parks Smith - January 16, 2012
I'd pass on both
Redskin44 - January 16, 2012
If we take RG3...
Then i think we should go with the more “traditional qb” kellen moore
TheUberest - January 16, 2012 via iPhone app
we should grab 2 qb out of the draft this year
no matter who draft we should def bring in at least 2 qb maybe a undrafted free agent depending on our pick situation to go along with a vet like chad henne or brady quinn type who knows they arent the starter
taylor21 - January 16, 2012
if traditional is what you are looking for...
Russell is the choice.
I am intrigued by him. I would be fine with a late round pick feeler…
jgibbsfan1 - January 16, 2012
yes Kellen Moore is a winner
but the dude will not be able to see over an nfl line
vjessejamesv - January 16, 2012
how tall is he?
TheUberest - January 16, 2012 via iPhone app
listed 6 foot 195 pds
i think thats stretching it a little
vjessejamesv - January 16, 2012
...from Kellen Moore's High School yearbook!!!
1x1an - January 16, 2012
Same color as the field he played on for four years
WestCoastHokie - January 16, 2012
doubly nice
Grand Tanyon Sturtze - January 16, 2012
hahahaha
Grand Tanyon Sturtze - January 16, 2012
Worked out OK for Brees
PJ_21 - January 16, 2012
2nd round prospect vs. 7th round prospect
Parks Smith - January 16, 2012
Was just pointing out the height
PJ_21 - January 16, 2012
the odds are greatly stacked against him
in the heighth department. think about his release point when he throws the football and then think about the outstretched arms of not only the o-line but the d-line as well
vjessejamesv - January 16, 2012
say no more
TheUberest - January 16, 2012 via iPhone app
Yeah what's Moore's arm strength like?
Grand Tanyon Sturtze - January 16, 2012
not so good
he likes to float the ball to receivers rather than rocket it
vjessejamesv - January 16, 2012
floaters, not good in pro football, toilets, or mafia movies
Grand Tanyon Sturtze - January 16, 2012
add police procedurals to that list too
Grand Tanyon Sturtze - January 16, 2012
so i've been out for a while, is there a consensus here on what QB to draft if we go for one in Rd. 1?
(Crossing my fingers that there’s a big RG constituency here, he’s my guy)
Grand Tanyon Sturtze - January 16, 2012
There are two camps.
The trade up for RG3 camp (I’m in that one.)
Then the, if we trade up the Redskins as we know it will collapse camp.
iH8dallas - January 16, 2012
no matter what anyone thinks
or anybody says Dan Snyder will go after rg3 if hes obtainable yes there a risk but if he hits thats too much money in jersey sales and geico comercials for the next decade if he turns out to be special to pass up for danny im not intersested in seeing what a back up quaterback can do out of his system (flynn) matt castle and kolb have shown me enough. schaub is great but rare . brees built that offense with sean peyton. another stop gap is not the answer
taylor21 - January 16, 2012
Both
are right, we should trade up for RG3 so that the Redskins as we know them will collapse. We need some hope for the future, when do we finally bite the bullet and get the guy we want?
DC Saviour - January 17, 2012
might i also mention
that all his stats came from playing in the wac mostly
vjessejamesv - January 16, 2012
That's right... but... they do play Football Power Houses such as Air Force, UNLV, Wyoming and New Mexico!
(Typed is Sarcasm Font)
1x1an - January 16, 2012
HA ha fail!
vjessejamesv - January 16, 2012
I like moore
mainly because of his stats. i havent seen much on Russel Wilson. I am not interested in what denver has. Tebow is the kind of quater back that as long as his team is still in the game in the fourth he can win. But if they are down by more than 2 scores he’ll loose . we have had plenty of false hope around here (mc nabb, beck , cambell ) I would not want the illusion here that we have a franchise quaterback when we dont. tebows play style would not be sucessful in our division. but he certainly deserves to be the starter their starter for the things he accomplished there this year. our @nd round pick will be gon after we trade it to move up. I would try and grab the saints, WR coach or maybe hue jackson to develop our wr like he did with oaklands
taylor21 - January 16, 2012
Which coach? No idea.
Wilson or Moore? Wilson.
iH8dallas - January 16, 2012
I have to agree, Wilson’s gotten a ton of experience in two very tough conferences, has improved a lot over time and looks pretty studly right now. Moore’s record and stats. can’t be disputed but that height thing and his sample size make me a little scared to draft him. But I’m an RG3 guy, I’d love to have him over either myself
Grand Tanyon Sturtze - January 16, 2012
just thought about the coach i'd like...
Russ Grimm
TheUberest - January 16, 2012 via iPhone app
this...
sort of surprised he’s never gotten serious consideration for skins hc gig.
j.q. higgins - January 16, 2012
Yes, yes
And yes
CJHutch - January 16, 2012
the real question about tebow
is whether you would take him as OUR starting QB tomorrow. and the answer is (hopefully) a resounding no.
Also, Kellen Moore
marc.nicholls1 - January 16, 2012
has todd haley signed with any team?
he was a good coach for arizona russ grimm would be an amazing pick up if they could pull him away from the cards
taylor21 - January 16, 2012
Whatchoo talkin' bout Ken? Not Willis (or the DEN offensive line & defense)
Tebow’s main asset was that he pulled a Josh McDaniels with them – the team played inspired then went out with a whimper once they exhausted the finite # of W’s inspiration can get you. Willis McGahee played in beast mode once Tebow was doing his cheerleading thing (which has worked/works, up to a certain point, after which it doesn’t do a whole lot), just check Willis’s stats. on that if you want, and their “D” was a heck of a lot better at bend-but-don’t-break defense than they were before Tebow’s verbal pom poms went to work, ditto for the offensive line. All of the jawing about Tebow’s just white noise to me until he ceases to put up stat. lines of 2-8 for 69 yards, 9-18 for 143 yards, 9-20 for 104 yards, and 6-22 for 60 yards. IMO the only thing that sets him apart from our unenviable QB play over the years is that he might be able to energize a team for a few games before that fuel runs out and the realities of professional football set in. Which to me smells a lot like pre-dumpster fire Josh McDaniels or the first 5 games of the – I can’t say his name in full because he sucked so badly, suffice to say it starts with “Z” and ends with “orn.” Yeah the Tebow talk is overblown in every way from every direction, but I’m not remotely green about him, I’d even take Jason Campbell over him until his ability to throw serves as his primary asset, instead of the finite power of his charisma with team-mates. Anywho I just don’t get it in gen., but I can’t wait to see what the Shanaplan is for the future.
Grand Tanyon Sturtze - January 16, 2012
Ken, no mention of your all year guaranteeing Packers would go 16-0 and win the Super Bowl?
Kevin Ewoldt - January 16, 2012
lol
my only regret re that’s that we don’t get to see Mercury Morris on TV again. That guy is awesome.
Grand Tanyon Sturtze - January 16, 2012
i just can't believe
that EITHER Devin Thomas… or Carlos Rogers will be going to the Superbowl …. makes me want to puke
AND
Donald Driver still has some pep in his step
Kia.Area51 - January 16, 2012
Devin is getting a free ride
Ashame Rogers did not want to stay
Redskin44 - January 16, 2012
So who's ready for the Super Harbowl?
49ers vs. Ravens?
(Patriots / Midgets seems more likely, but a guy can dream right?)
willster - January 16, 2012
As much as we can dislike the Giants... I gotta admit... it was a hell of a game!
The Saints vs. 49ers game was probably the best playoffs game I’ve seen in a while… NFC teams are way better than AFC teams…
Looking forward to the Giants vs. 49ers!!!
1x1an - January 16, 2012
agreed, the 49ers / Saints game was epic
49ers / Giants should be a great match as well.
willster - January 16, 2012
Have to wholeheartedly
Disagree on Tebow. I’m not a Tebow “hater”, but I don’t think he’s gonna be very succesful over his career if he remains at quarterback. Don’t get me wrong, he has a to of intangibles that can help a team win. The problem is, sometimes he has to actually throw the ball, and then it gets ugly. I can’t remember ever seeing a pro QB put so much effort into throwing the ball. He looks like the left side of his body is fighting the right side of his body when he’s throwing the ball. Now, all that said, the Broncos have to go into the year with Tebow as the starter
Available coach? I dunno, is Dick Lebeau available? I’m guessing you’re not talking Head coach. If so, it’s BigRuss all day. What I really wish is that we could get Bill Polian here.
Russel Wilson
How does that second round pick statement work if we trade the pick to move up?
CJHutch - January 16, 2012
+1
Grand Tanyon Sturtze - January 16, 2012
To hell with the stats
Tebows a gamer and he wins games, period. Who the hell cares about the damn stats? The team responds to him and his style of play and the team wins(although not this weekend)
Bryan Black - January 16, 2012 via Android app
I didn't say anything
About stats. And I’m not gonna get into the ol’ “he’s a gamer” discussion. The bottom line is, he does not have the skills to be, long term, as a quarterback in the NFL. I’m sorry the option will not work over 16 games. The Patriots defense is awful, and they made him look like a JV player.
Now, all that said, find it funny that everyone is pinning that loss on him. While Tebow is not a good quarterback, he does at least play it. What he doesn’t at is defense, which is what gave up 45 points to the Patriots.
Personally, I’d like to see Tebow convert to some sort of hybrid H-back. I think he’d be excellent in that role.
CJHutch - January 16, 2012
College stats
Career 661 of 995 66.4% 9285 9.3 10.4 88 16 170.8
88 touchdowns passing, 57 touchdowns rushing
DudleyDoright - January 17, 2012
What does that mean?
CJHutch - January 17, 2012
Just poiunting out that he's not the piss poor passer that everybody keeps saying he is. 88 passing TD's is nothing to sneeze at.
DudleyDoright - January 20, 2012
I am really going to here it for this one…
But if I had to make one coaching change and only one at this moment…
I would replace Kyle Shanahan with Norv Turner.
Think about it for a second–the last time the Redskins consistently scored 25+ points a game was when Turner was the offenses mind.
There was another thread where someone bemoaned the fact that we have not had a decent quarterback in 20 years; the argument could also be made that we have not had a decent offense coordinator in 15 years.
Skins Fan '77 - January 16, 2012
Norv Turner?
Yechhhhh
Grand Tanyon Sturtze - January 16, 2012
I know, I know
But where else can we improve coaching? Special teams?
The offense is what is holding this team back most.
Skins Fan '77 - January 16, 2012
ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown - January 16, 2012
I have been
As big a critic of Kyle as anyone. But I disagree. First of all, our QUARTERBACK is holding us back. And as for Kyle, go back and compare game tape from this year to the past 10. Wanna know the difference? We have multiple receivers getting open. That hasn’t happened to us in the past. Frankly, I think Kyle’s system can be extremely productive. His plays are fine. It’s the timing of them that he needs to work.
Norv Turner is a loser and a failure. I would not watch one (more) minute of a Redskins game that he was coaching. That would be akin to getting cancer from asbestos, going through 13 years of chemo and treatment, finally being cured, and then buying an asbestos blanket to sleep in.
CJHutch - January 16, 2012
I agree that quarterback is holding the offense back
But the question posed was which coaching change would you make?
I also agree with your assessment of Kyle, but I do think a more seasoned offensive coordinator could get more out of the pile of crap that is our offense.
I have no problem going forward with things as they are, it was a hypothetical question.
Now, after the 2012 seasons ending, I may change my tune
Skins Fan '77 - January 16, 2012
I am OK
With everything you say. I do no wanna jettison Kyle yet, but I wouldn’t be heartbroken if we did. Where you lose me is when you invoke the name Norv Turner. Just be careful not to say it out loud three times. I fear what may become of you.
CJHutch - January 16, 2012
CJHutch, this is pretty much the funniest comment I've ever read anywhere on SBNation
I literally laughed out loud and almost fell out of my chair. Very nice.
Grand Tanyon Sturtze - January 16, 2012
Norv is a great OC/ Horrendous HC
and good at developing young QBs
Redskin44 - January 16, 2012
Norv good ??
respectfully i think that what got Norv all his good rep is Troy Aikman.. Without him he wouldnt be anything
he had a year trying to develop Alex Smith.. how did that work out ?
tell me what he has done to improve Rivers ?
pass on Norv and leave him twisting in the wind..NO COACH EVER has gotten less out of more roster talent, no matter where he has been
shally - January 16, 2012
Norv Turner
Is a loser. Period. The only succesful team he’s been a part of was the Cowboys, and it’s well documented how much Jimmy Johnson’s assistants needed him more than he needed them. Norv is a disease that infests a team, slowly devouring it from the inside out.
CJHutch - January 16, 2012
Norv Turner
Is a loser. Period. The only succesful team he’s been a part of was the Cowboys, and it’s well documented how much Jimmy Johnson’s assistants needed him more than he needed them. Norv is a disease that infests a team, slowly devouring it from the inside out.
CJHutch - January 16, 2012
I am sorry to say
But I wish you ill will.
Did you not live through the 90’s?
CJHutch - January 16, 2012
Russell Wilson for sure!
As an ACC football fan I’ve watched this kid a lot… He is a baller. Just a tad too short though. But a great developmental prospect
Matty Felp - January 16, 2012 via iPhone app
Giants and Tebow
1) Before the season I said the Giants would have a losing season and Coughlin would get fired.
2) When the Broncos made the switch to Tebow, I told my wife they wouldn’t win another game.
3) I predicted Washington would win 5 games before the season.
Looking at these three, I should either predict that Shanny gets fired next year, or that they go undefeated and win the super bowl…
ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown - January 16, 2012
When it comes to QB
How about we don’t speculate until we know more about these qb’s other than what they did over a 12 game college schedule. I want to see their Wonderlich scores. If any first round quarterback scores between a 20 and 39 and has no physical weaknesses, then they would be worth a chance and risk to move up and get. If they have any combination of poor mechanics, physical weaknesses, and poor wonderlich score, then you stay away. Only quarterbacks to score less then 20 and have great CAREERS are, Marino, Kelly, Bradshaw and McNair, they all scored 15.
query8779 - January 16, 2012
Ken...
I absolutely hate how everyone is ignoring what we’re going to do about a QB in the draft. Why are we talking about our second round pick before our first? I think what we do with the first will most certainly be more important than our second… whether that is using it to trade up or using it to trade back, or even trading it to get a veteran guy (hopefully a young veteran but someone with experience).
It’s like you guys are ignoring the importance of an opportunity to get our guy under center.
There is no line that is drawn or needs to be drawn, where trading up to get RG3 or even Luck by chance is going to determine if our future is doomed or promising. Opinions are ok but this stubbornness is ridiculous and I see it more on the people who are against trading up.
xocnodnarb - January 16, 2012
Ummmm... have you ever been to this site before?
Parks Smith - January 16, 2012
Yeah, I still trying to get
The coffee out of my nose
Skins Fan '77 - January 16, 2012
Trading up for RGIII
helps with coffee in the nose
Bryan Black - January 16, 2012 via Android app
I'm really referring to RG3 about "a QB in the draft".
He is our guy in my opinion. It seems everyone here agrees it would be fantastic to have him here but all we hear is we can’t mortgage our future to move up and get hi,… without having any sort of valid explanation other than “it’ll be too much”. Our later round picks can be busts. There is no guarantee ANY draft pick will pan out like you hope, but sometimes you gotta take chances and this is the year to do it. Yes, I hate how Vinny has put our franchise in turmoil by trading away picks and whatnot but in the situation that we are in it is an absolute must that we draft one of the top 3 QB’s in this draft.
xocnodnarb - January 16, 2012
How is
Debating on whether he’s worth trading for “ignoring” him, or the QB situation?
CJHutch - January 16, 2012
It's not ignoring "him". It's ignoring the importance of drafting a top tier QB completely.
We are in a good position to get Griffin, who as of right now is the #2 QB and to some even #1… pending how stupid you are. After RG3, the class drops dramatically with guys who don’t seem to be able to be worthy at the moment to start as a rookie. Luck and Griffin are pro ready, so for our situation we should be aiming to take a young explosive QB.
All I am saying or asking really is how are we going to go on through next season without a starter worthy QB under center? That seems to me to be the question no one is answering.
xocnodnarb - January 16, 2012
How is
Debating on whether he’s worth trading for “ignoring” him, or the QB situation?
CJHutch - January 16, 2012
In response
1. Do what I do and don’t talk to any Giants fans.
2. The best part was the look of shock on Mike Pereiras face when they got it wrong. Then he started talking about the human error aspect of the review. My blind uncle wouldn’t have missed that call.
3. Although Tebow bugs me I give the guy credit for doing his best to prove everyone wrong. I couldn’t help noticing what an abortion his throwing motion is. You watch brady’s perfect form and then you watch Tebow throw and it’s polar oposites. How did ths guy get to the NFL with mechanics that bad. Reminded me of Elaine from Sienfeld dancing.
4. My first thought on reading this one was I wonder how much not having our second round pick from 2011 affected the outcome of this year. I will be interested to read your article on Wednesday.
5. Raheem Morris to coach DBs.
6. Wilson. We don’t need any autistic midgets on our team this year.
64ShagginWagon - January 16, 2012
Redskins Fans should be pissed:
San Francisco is about to go to the Superb Owl with a bellow average QB, a rookie Head Coach, and a great defense:
While Washington boasts a Qb that’s been to Superb Owl, a two time Superb Owl winning Head Coach, and an above average defense. What gives?
#5: HUE JACKSON: Climbed the ranks, a firey passionate players coach. Not some has-been that was hired simply because of his name sake and celeb status.
#3: Tebozo is trash. Tebozo shouldn’t even be getting mentioned. He is benifitting from EXTRAORDINARY play from his Defense and Kicker. Tebozo won’t win 6 games next year. Hell, the Skin’s should make a move for him. He’ll fit right in.
Elaw6 - January 16, 2012
When I was a kid I always wanted to play in the Superb Owl.
It was a dream of mine.
64ShagginWagon - January 16, 2012
shows how bad a coach singletary was
all this proves is how atrociously bad a head coach singletary was.. and that Martz was overrated..Also Smith looks like a guy who was worthy of the first overall pick in the draft.. he made some great reads and no mistakes to beat the Saints..the final 2 drives were classics
shally - January 16, 2012
Well what does it say about Shanahan?
San Francisco is not leaps and bounds better than the Washington Redskins. we match up with them well at every position save linebacker (I better be careful because some around here think London Fletcher is the best to ever play the came).
Yet they have won more games in 16 weeks then the new regime in two years.
Elaw6 - January 16, 2012
I think the 49rs are way ahead of us in a lot of area's
On defense I think they are better on the back end. The redskins is over rated and not that great.
Special teams, well that’s easily in the 49rs favor. We have a great coverage unit, but everything else sucks.
Offensively the 49rs have a qb that doesn’t turn the ball over like its his job. They have a better offensive line and better weapons in the passing game. The only place where the redskins compare is in the running game.
On top of that, the 49rs have built some quality depth which is something we have yet to even begin doing. So I disagree that the 49rs are just the same team with a better coach.
Al_CaPWNED - January 16, 2012
How much better than the Redskins?
Did they stomp the Skin’s into submission when they went head to head? It was a fairly close game if i recall correctly. The Redskins could have won. On the field it was fairly matched but the 49er’s had the advantage in the coaching dept.
Elaw6 - January 16, 2012
Washington beat the giants twice this year
Clearly, the Redskins are the better team, and should be in the NFC Championship game.
ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown - January 16, 2012
I'm not saying that at all.
The Redskins are trash in every department. The exceed in trashiness in the caoching department. That is what i am trying to convey.
Elaw6 - January 16, 2012
So long as you are being reasonable
by calling men with established NFL pedigrees and a track record of success trash.
ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown - January 16, 2012
What have you done for me lately????
If you call a 6 win season and a 5 win season a" track record of success ", then i would love to hear your definition of “success”. Bar’s set pretty low.
Elaw6 - January 16, 2012
Or were you talking about
the copious amounts of success Kyle Shanahan was seen in the NFL?
Or Maybe it was Jim Hasslet’s flawless jewel of a career in the NFL?
Elaw6 - January 16, 2012
Lately?
1) Got rid of Cerrato
2) Got Snyder out of the Locker Room
3) Got Snyder out of the Front Office
4) Vastly upgraded the roster while removing malcontents.
Both Kyle and Hasslet have good track records. Advocating for their removal at this point is silly. First, Mike Shanahan controls the offense, not Kyle. Second, the defense is much better this season. Third, what they were able to achieve on offense this year is very impressive given the injuries and the QB.
Would you prefer a return of Snyderatto and being unable to hire qualified professionals to run the team?
ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown - January 16, 2012
I would prefer WINS
I would prefer not getting blown out 24-0.
I would prefer a non-losing season.
When do the improvements to the Win/Loss record happen? Seems like the front office problems are becoming a thing of the past. The upcoming season will be year 3 for this staff. Another 4,5,6,7 win season isn’t going to cut it. If Shanahan & Co. miss the playoffs or fall short of an 8-8 record would you like to give him another year? Wins, and only wins matter.
Elaw6 - January 16, 2012
They do need to win more next year
This team had massive holes on the roster when Shanny took over. They couldn’t all be fixed in one year, or two years, no matter who was the coach. Do you think Bill Belichick would have taken this roster to the playoffs?
The rebuild is right on schedule. Now comes the offense. They’ll get better at WR and Oline, and really can’t get worse at QB. Have some patience and optimism. Things really are getting better. The sun will come out tomorrow.
ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown - January 16, 2012
When we draft a legit QB!
When do the improvements to the Win/Loss record happen?
DC Saviour - January 17, 2012
Never mind, I get it
I goofed! You were speaking about Dann Snyder’s NFL pedigree and a track record of success!
Elaw6 - January 16, 2012
Rule of the common opponent
Redskins beat NYG.
NYG beats GB.
The Redskins should be able to beat GB based on the ROTCO.
So yes, not only should the Redskins be in the NFCC game, they should win. And Shanahan should be hoisted on the shoulders of Orakpo and Kerrigan while he accepts high praise and coach of the year
Elaw6 - January 16, 2012
I hate Owls
I don’t care how superb they are.
CJHutch - January 16, 2012
I hate Owls
I don’t care how superb they are.
CJHutch - January 16, 2012
2 times
2 times
Elaw6 - January 16, 2012
My iBad
Seems to have the hiccups today.
CJHutch - January 16, 2012
I wouldn't touch Hue Jackson with a 10 foot pole
He’s got a reputation as an office politician who is only out for himself, and constantly throwing others under the buss. His last press conference after the last game of the season, and what he did after he got fired only re-enforce the perception. Jackson represents a return to the bad old days.
ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown - January 16, 2012
Throwing under the bus or blame where blame is due?
His last presser he told it like it is: He called out the defensive cord and the defense. What’s wrong with that? He should have done it a week earlier. But now that Hue Jackson is gone the Raiders have a puppet GM and will get a puppet HC. Kind of like Zorn and Vinny.
I would love to hear Mike Shan at a presser lamblasting Kyle if it was in fact Kyle’s fault. To many words are minced.
Elaw6 - January 16, 2012
You can't do that
in public. Sure fire way to lose the locker room. It doesn’t matter what the problems are, the head coach has to accept all the blame and stay loyal to his players and coaches. You have to handle things like that in house. That press conference contributed quite a bit to his being fired, and he has admitted as much.
ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown - January 16, 2012
You're right.
There needs to be accountability though. Oakland’s O put up 28 points. Playoffs on the line. Yet the defense didn’t even show up to the stadium. Can you see where one might want to rip some people to shreds? But like i said, you are correct. In the NFL a public fourum is not the place to lay into your people
Elaw6 - January 16, 2012
Cue the fire Shanahan talk
I knew as soon as Ken mentioned coaches it would come up. Sometimes luck plays a factor in things also. The only difference between SF and us is the QB play, specifically turnovers by our QB. It’s not the coaching
Bryan Black - January 16, 2012 via Android app
Houston, we have a problem if
Alex Smith is just NOW getting to average after 7 years. As far as him being a #1 draft pick, I would have to consider him a bust….but I would take him for this team in a New York minute!
Bryan Black - January 16, 2012 via Android app
I think it's weird that I've read today that the elite QBs aren't the ones winning in the playoffs.
I assume they are referring to Manning, Smith and Flacco.
Yes, those teams have good defenses and running games, but two of those QBs were #1 overall picks, the other a first rounder.
iH8dallas - January 16, 2012
Yea the 49ers only had to wait seven years for their #1 overall to develop!
Parks Smith - January 16, 2012
Smith also had a lot of OC turnover, much like JC.
iH8dallas - January 16, 2012
49ers have also invested five top 40 picks into offensive linemen. hmmmmm
Look at their 2010 draft and see how that turned things around.
Parks Smith - January 16, 2012
So if we draft 4 more offensive linemen in the first two rounds Rex will become a stud?
iH8dallas - January 16, 2012
He'll certainly be a whole hell of a lot better. It would improve the whole offense.
You don’t think if we were able to get a starting guard and right tackle in one draft like the Niners did in ‘10 then the team wouldn’t greatly improve?
And why is it, “will Rex become better”? We’re talking about maligned, 7 year vet, and #1 overall pick. Its about our team getting better. Are you trying to say the 49ers are winning now b/c they have a #1 overall QB? Is that the thesis here?
Parks Smith - January 16, 2012
It doesn't hurt to have a #1 overall QB.
iH8dallas - January 16, 2012
Yea, just ask the Oakland Raiders.
Parks Smith - January 16, 2012
They like Carson Palmer.
iH8dallas - January 16, 2012
O, they do?
Reggie McKenzie likes Carson?
Head Coach TBD likes Carson?
Offensive Coordinator TBD likes Carson?
The problem is you’re hyping the #1 spot, not the prospect that is sitting there. To say the Ravens and 49ers are succeeding b/c they have 1st round quarterbacks simply isn’t true.
Parks Smith - January 16, 2012
I'm not trying to downplay the fact that having a strong O-line and defense are necessary to win.
A team has to have those things to be successful. look at the Texans. Awesome defense, great running game, buuuuutttttt TJ Yates blew it for them.
Great QBs are much more rare than great offensive linemen. We need one.
iH8dallas - January 16, 2012
But Smith and Flacco aren't "great" QBs. Pick one argument or the other you can't straddle the line for differen situations.
If Eli, Smith, and Flacco were all great then your argument would make sense. Instead, to me, you are pointing out that the Redskins can win with a very average quarterback if they have a good Oline and defense.
Parks Smith - January 16, 2012
But I don't think Flacco is average. I think he's good.
I wanted Alex Smith here in Washington and said as much on this blog.
The average QB/Good o-line seems like the argument you are trying to make.
iH8dallas - January 16, 2012
Yes... lets look at what you said:
And once again you are skewing your argument and cherry picking. You lumped Flacco and Smith together, so defend that. Rank all the projected 2012 starting QBs in the league and see where Flacco ends up. Probably around 15 or worse on everyone’s list, he’s the definition of an average QB. But as I’ve said several times, we don’t need an elite QB, we just need a good one.
Parks Smith - January 16, 2012
I agree with you.
My point is, every first round QB won’t be Peyton Manning, but if they are a top 10-15 QB every year, then it’s worth it.
Where would you rank Cutler?
iH8dallas - January 16, 2012
Parks Smith - January 16, 2012
What the hell is this?
iH8dallas - January 16, 2012
Its a ranking when you put people in numerical order based off of who you think is better
Parks Smith - January 16, 2012
Why do you have Luck and Griffin in there?
iH8dallas - January 16, 2012
Parks Smith - January 16, 2012
That list is ridiculous, much like this argument.
Great o-line or not, we won’t win without a good QB. Where do you find good QBs usually? The first round of the NFL Draft.
iH8dallas - January 16, 2012
The list is completely up for debate but most people would put Flacco at 15-20 (average)
But the lynchpin of your argument was that Flacco/Smith = Good QBs b/c they are 1st rounders. When in reality they incredibly average NFL starters.
Parks Smith - January 16, 2012
Gabbert worse than Grossman and Tebow?
I feel sorry for those fans. Ouch.
ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown - January 16, 2012
QB
Both those guys are better than what we are pretending to play with. Flacco has improved with the addition of some weapons. Smith is not great, but doesn’t turn the ball over twice a game and can make plays with his legs, if he gets another weapon at receiver he could get even better.
DC Saviour - January 17, 2012
Yates-- not fair to blame him
I cant see blaming Yates for much.. he was their 3rd string option and a lower round pick. i would say he outperformed all expectations.. See if they keep Leinart over him next year.. See if he doesnt continue to develop and make it possible to dump Schaub in a year or 2..
At the worst, the Texans might have their Flynn, or Cassel to be able to trade to someone
shally - January 17, 2012
Rex is already a stud
MVP for whichever team Washington is playing, every week.
ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown - January 16, 2012
Rex is King of giving up the sack/fumble!
Elaw6 - January 16, 2012
So you're saying
We should’ve kept Jason Campbell for wt least two more years?
CJHutch - January 16, 2012
I don't see where I wrote that.
iH8dallas - January 16, 2012
Here
01/24/2007
ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown - January 16, 2012
I am curious to see where he ends up.
iH8dallas - January 16, 2012
UFL Omaha
Parks Smith - January 16, 2012
After watching Grossmam/Beck this year, I would welcome Jason back with open arms.
I would also apologize for yelling at him for holding onto the ball too long.
iH8dallas - January 16, 2012
Ditto
Except I can never forgive Jason Hesitation for hesitating.
Elaw6 - January 16, 2012
hahahaha
were You talking about Jason Hesitation?
Elaw6 - January 16, 2012
He'll be starting
for whichever team misses out on a QB in the draft. And my predictions are ironclad.
ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown - January 16, 2012
Me neither
Of course, I was responding to Parks, and his comment about Alex Smith taking a dog year to develop.
CJHutch - January 16, 2012
I noticed that, but it was too late. oops.
iH8dallas - January 16, 2012
I forgive you
This time
CJHutch - January 16, 2012
I wouldn't say it took that long for him to develop.
I’ve always liked Alex Smith and I believe he never really got a chance to progress instead of saying “develop”. With 7 different OC’s it would be tough… hm, reminds me of a guy I used to know.
xocnodnarb - January 16, 2012
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