For perhaps the first time in his career, there is a cloud of uncertainty hanging over the head of Peyton Manning. Manning missed the entire 2011 season with a neck injury and without him, the Indianapolis Colts fell to a 2-14 season and the number one pick in the draft. This draft just happens to contain quarterback Andrew Luck, rated by most as the best quarterback prospect since Manning himself. Before the season started, the Colts signed Manning to a 5-year, $90million contract. This leaves the Colts in quite the predicament... Keep a 35 year old (will be 36 in March) quarterback who has been the face of your franchise for the last decade and trade the rights to Luck and build up around Manning for another few years of Super Bowl runs; or cut ties with Manning and move on into the future with Luck.
It appears that in all likelihood the Colts will draft Luck, making Manning a very expensive back-up option. Manning is due a $28million roster bonus in March before the window for trading players opens. This means that the Colts will have to make the decision to either pay Manning and keep him as that very expensive back-up, or cut him and get nothing in return. There is debate as to exactly what the Colts will do, but there's a pretty good chance Manning hits the open market.
That is where the Washington Redskins come in. Rumor has it that they are interested. In years gone by, Vinny Cerrato would have taken Dan Snyder's checkbook and given Manning a blank check to come play in D.C. (Or Maryland, as the case may be). Hell, even this new regime would do similar. I mean, one of their first moves was to go and make a trade for Donovan McNabb, so they could easily make a similar move and go get Manning right?

Wrong. I truly believe this front office knows what they are doing, and are building in the right direction. I think they learned from that McNabb mistake and have decided to build through the draft and sign reasonably priced (and aged) free agents. Last year's off-season was a huge hit for Head Coach Mike Shanahan and General Manager Bruce Allen. For me, there's no reason to believe they won't continue in the same vein.
Signing Manning would be a 'win now' statement to the league. We're in the middle of building a young core of players that can be the foundation of winning over a long period of time. Bring in Manning to that and we disrupt the core of the team. It adds pressure to them that they have to win now or Shanahan could be out of a job. We are not a quarterback away from contending, so there's a chance that adding Manning would also mean signing Jeff Saturday and/or Reggie Wayne or other veterans, which could stunt the growth of some of our younger prospects.
Manning is a soon-to-be 36 year old quarterback with neck problems. Yes it's Peyton Manning, but Manning is going to command a big contract and control of the offense. He might not even make it through his first game for all we know. If we put all our eggs in the Manning basket and he gets injured, that's the season over. I'm also not so sure how much Shanahan would be willing to let Manning have free-reign over the offense, as he has had during his entire career. Would we install Manning's offense and have the coaching staff learning something new, or try to fit Manning into what we have now? We've already seen how a quarterback who has spent all his career in one offense can struggle in a new offense. Now Manning is a much more intelligent quarterback and I have no doubt he could pick up this offense, but would he want to change after all these years in one system? It's a big question that would have to be answered.
As for the argument that you could just bring in Manning as a tutor and draft a late first or early second round quarterback to develop behind him while we continue to rebuild. Come on, seriously? At this point in his career, Manning will have one thing on his mind, winning Super Bowls. Why would he come to the Redskins to be a mentor as the team continues to rebuild? He didn't really mentor in Indy. He supposedly took every single snap in practice, leaving Curtis Painter no reps at all (part of the reason he was terrible this season, the other part is that he lacks talent in general).
So overall, I doubt that our front office would bring in another quarterback on the wrong side of 30. We are more than a quarterback away from contending. We are still rebuilding and aren't fully ready to be thrust into full-on 'win now' mode yet. Manning's injury is still a big concern and to give him control of the offense would be a big risk. On top of this, what reason exactly does Manning have to want to come to the Redskins? I'm sure there are plenty of other teams that are much closer to contending than the Redskins. The Manning situation will definitely be a very interesting one to watch play-out over the course of the off-season, but I personally, don't see it playing out in Washington.
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Nice
+1
You hit it right on the nose
Ronnie Adkins - January 18, 2012
I don't think he'll be a Skin.
Given the uncertainty about his health, I agree that bringing Peyton here would be the wrong move. However, if you could tell me that he’d be guaranteed to play five full seasons for us, I’d have a hard time seeing how bringing in one of the game’s best QBs ever would hurt the team.
If Peyton were to come here—again, I don’t think he will, and I don’t think we should pursue him—I don’t think he’d have trouble fitting into ANY system.
Reedskin - January 18, 2012
Agreed
1. He wouldn’t come here and 2. We wouldn’t bring him here.
Please no.
SCSkin21 - January 18, 2012
Well, rumors are...
He’s retiring. So that would make my last hour or so completely irrelevant and wasted….
UkRedskin - January 18, 2012
Shanahan isn't that dumb
You hit all the points on why Peyton shouldn’t come to WAS. These are just rumors, but Skins fans understand why the team is thrown into the mix of high profile free agents every off-season due to past acquisitions.
Skins fans also noticed that there has been a welcomed culture change when it came to free agency and the draft ever since Shanahan has been the HC – signing free agents that compliment the systems installed and building through the draft. Signing Peyton will go against this.
But hopefully, these rumors will be put to rest once Peyton declares his retirement. I just don’t see how he comes back this year.
rcboulter - January 18, 2012
Here's a scenario....what would you rather have:
A.) Redskins re-sign Grossman to a 1-year deal and he’s our starter.
B.) Redskins shell and get Manning to 3-year deal…..front-loaded.
Kevin Ewoldt - January 18, 2012
Manning, easy.
preppiejack - January 18, 2012
have you not learned anything?
Parks Smith - January 18, 2012
I did learn that Rex Grossman is not part of the solution, and I'm pretty sure he isn't an integral part of the rebuild process either.
preppiejack - January 18, 2012
But Peyton Manning would be?
Parks Smith - January 18, 2012
Of course
Around for all of 3 years, then retires. It’s exactly what we’re looking for.
That dead would equate to throwing a ton of money out the window going 70 miles an hour on the beltway.
Ronnie Adkins - January 18, 2012
Deal*
Ronnie Adkins - January 18, 2012
A
Parks Smith - January 18, 2012
A
Ronnie Adkins - January 18, 2012
A+
Parks Smith - January 18, 2012
seems to be at odds with
If we are not in a win-now mode, why would Manning’s injury mean that the season is over? If we are in re-building mode, if he came here and got injured, it would just provide more reps for youth. I am not saying your overall point is wrong- I just think that your argument is kind of erratic.
I’ve always been a Manning fan, but I think your last few points were more relevant to the current NFL landscape (i.e. Manning wouldn’t want to come to DC). The truth is that the Redskins are much more in need of a great QB than a great QB is in need of the Redskins.
preppiejack - January 18, 2012
Because signing Manning would likely lead to signing other vets.
So if Manning goes down, those other vets are taking reps away from younger players.
UkRedskin - January 18, 2012
If Manning came here then Wayne and Saturday would be right behind.
Parks Smith - January 18, 2012
But your post was about signing Manning, not this loose feeling that signing him sets off a chain reaction of other veteran signings. You didn’t mention any package deal.
I’d be against bringing in a slew of aging vets, but I am okay with bringing in Manning assuming he feels he’s healthy enough to play. Titans had a pretty good year as a re-building team with Matt Hasselback…
preppiejack - January 18, 2012
Peyton Manning after his first preseason game with our line
Parks Smith - January 18, 2012
+1
Hahahahaha
Ronnie Adkins - January 18, 2012
He's gonna start using
Jeff Fisher’s hair stylist after playing behind our line?
CJHutch - January 18, 2012
Derp
Um. This?
Ronnie Adkins - January 18, 2012
Missed that.
Regardless, it is still random speculation that this “package deal” would occur.
preppiejack - January 18, 2012
It's random speculation that Peyton would want come here.
Parks Smith - January 18, 2012
I never made that statement.
preppiejack - January 18, 2012
Well then we're allowed to speculate on speculation
Parks Smith - January 18, 2012
There is precedence for aging hall-of-fame caliber vets wanting to finish their careers with contenders (Ladainian Tomlinson, Brett Favre, etc.). There isn’t a whole lot of precedence of mass exoduses from one team’s offense to another.
preppiejack - January 18, 2012
B/c you just listed two a-holes
Peyton Manning is the Colts, he’s their system, their offense, and their heart. Guys like Wayne and Saturday don’t know anything else.
Parks Smith - January 18, 2012
You're right...
Ladainian Tomlinson was not the Chargers… wait?
Brett Favre was not the Packers…huh?
Do you not remember those teams and how they played? And yes I justified my point of view listing “two a-holes.” I didn’t realize that I needed to create a more comprehensive list since you seem to have defended your position by listing zero examples…
preppiejack - January 18, 2012
Do you remember who was a FA at the time and could have followed them there?
What do you want me to justify it with? It doesn’t happen often and I’m not 90. So I can’t remember if anyone followed Montana to the Chiefs, Unitas to the Chargers, Namath to the Rams. HOF QBs don’t hit the market often.
And give me a break on Tomlinson, he was 30+, coming off a 700 yard season, and they have a guy named Phillip Rivers
Parks Smith - January 18, 2012
you may not be 90, but you still gave zero examples…
And what do you mean give you a break about Tomlinson? His productivity is irrelevant to the debate. I used him as an example of an aging hall-of-fame player who chose to go to a contender because he wanted to win a championship (in his case, even at the cost of being a starter). So he is a valid example of the type of player I am illustrating.
Junior Seau or Corey Dillon to the Patriots would also illustrate my point. There are definitive examples in the NFL where aging players, especially ones who are talented and have already been paid, put the chance of winning a championship (good teams) above money (Redskins). It obviously isn’t the case with every player, but that win-before-I-retire mentality is well documented as of recent years, and supports my “speculative argument” that Peyton wouldn’t want to come to DC…
As for your and UK’s “speculative argument,” I have still yet to see any example or logic about why Peyton Manning would only come in a package deal with old teammates. If anything, Saturday and Wayne are old, and given Manning’s injuries, he would probably want younger offensive players who are in their prime to block for him and catch the ball (i.e. different free agents than these two). The truth is that there is no basis for this speculation other than maybe you guys heard it on ESPN because a Jim Rome brought it up once- there is no substance or historical evidence that it is a correct opinion.
preppiejack - January 18, 2012
Your example is a player going from a contender to a contender
Only problem is Favre and Tomlinson were leaving contenders for teams that weren’t contenders. 07 Jets sucked, and when Tomlinson got there they were a borderline playoff team.
Seau, Dillon? Come on man, how are they nearly as integral to their team as Manning? Like I said HOF QBs don’t hit the market often. Many analyst have spoke of Manning and Saturday as a package deal. You don’t think it would make it more likely that Wayne would follow.
Parks Smith - January 18, 2012
Peyton Manning is a system, without him his teammates are like nomads wandering the dessert or the '11 Colts
Parks Smith - January 18, 2012
That dessert sounds delicious.
preppiejack - January 18, 2012
Have you ever seen a nomad wandering a jello mold? its rough
Parks Smith - January 18, 2012
lol love it!
preppiejack - January 18, 2012
I dont see him
Hitting it off with Kyle.
Redskin44 - January 18, 2012
God I hope
This post is meaningless. I would lose all faith in the Shanaplan if we brought in Manning.
CJHutch - January 18, 2012
Addendum
….AS OUR QUARTERBACK
Now, should he retire,…..and want to become our offensive coordinator……..hmmmm.
CJHutch - January 18, 2012
How would signing Peyton hinder our rebuilding??
We sign Peyton, we still can draft a lineman in the first round, and still draft Tannehill(since you guys love him so much) in possibly round 3 since he’s injured. Grab somebody in the secondary in the second round, grab a receiver in free agency since were going to do all that anyway(Colston, Bowe). Peyton could take the job while our “franchise Qb” learns the ropes. Peyton would help us compete instantly, isn’t that what we want?? I don’t understand you guys problem with the move.
Chillz - January 18, 2012 via mobile
Exactly
Who says taking a look at Manning would hamper the rebuilding effort?
As long as were not giving up picks it can’t hurt to take a look. Are we worried about hurting Rexy’s feelings?
The Derper - January 18, 2012
To sign Manning
We’d have to convince him we’re ready to win now. To do that we’d have to give up our efforts to get younger, and focus on bringing in the best players possible to support Manning, for example Saturday and Wayne. So we instantly go from rebuilding mode to win-now mode, with older guys taking the reps of the younger core that we are building. That’s how I think Manning would hinder the rebuilding.
UkRedskin - January 18, 2012
Were going to bring in some vets anyway..
Were going to add a FA wideout anyway, doesn’t have to be Wayne but were going to go after Colston or Bowe. If we add Peyton we can add that lineman in the first round. I don’t think that if we add Peyton than the other two come as part of the package deal. The young core guys will play anyway, (Helu, Trent, Fred Davis, Hankerson). If Peyton signs with say the Titans does that mean they have to take the other two as well?? When you say get younger, I thought we did that the last two years, the only position left is wideout correct?? Bowe or Colston help us get younger and improve the position at the same time. I think Peyton doesn’t hinder it at all.
Chillz - January 18, 2012 via mobile
We're going to bring in some vets, yes.
But we are going to stay fairly young. If we wanted to convince Peyton to come here, we’d need to bring in a lot more than we originally planned. I could go into a long explanation about this, but to sum it all up, would Peyton come to DC to play with a young team that would just add say Bowe, Grubbs and lets say Claiborne in the first round? I don’t think he would because we wouldn’t have enough depth. To get more depth, we’d have to bring in more vets such as the guys he’s used to, Saturday, Wayne etc. Then he might be more inclined to come here.
But if Peyton would be willing to come here at a reasonable price, and we could continue with the off-season plan without having to adjust it to get him here, then maybe I’d be more open to it. I just don’t see it going that way.
UkRedskin - January 18, 2012
I get your point..
I’m looking at it that way, probably being naive but I’m def with you, don’t adjust our plan. And yea Bowe, Grubbs, and Claiborne added to what we have then what else would we need besides a solid qb?? Some Line depth but not much more
Chillz - January 18, 2012 via mobile
Oline Depth obviously,
as you mentioned. Need a starting RT, possibly a center as well. Linebacker depth is a need. Who knows whats going to happen at safety, Hightower, Helu and Royster need to prove they can all stay healthy for an entire season.
UkRedskin - January 18, 2012
I see us bringing 30 back
Gomes looks like a formidable backup. You don’t see us bringing Monty back?? Or moving Litch over to C if we sign Gibbs, LB depth is def something we need to address but that’s not a hard fill to me. Also if we can’t bring Cariker back we’ll need to address that.
Chillz - January 18, 2012
Monty isn't a good enough C for a contender
Kory L wasn’t great there either a few seasons ago, but I like the idea of trying him out there if we signed a Grubbs or Nicks. Gomes flashed some potential, but has a long way to go before he can be considered a solid productive starter in this league in my opinion.
UkRedskin - January 18, 2012
Otagwe will be back??
Gomes just provides us with some depth an upgrade over Reed Doughty I think. Now we’re still going on this hypothetical, if we take Claiborne 1st and Tannehill 2nd we can take a C with that 3rd pick and have him and Litch compete for that starting spot giving us our key word here depth on the interior line.
Chillz - January 18, 2012
I think we've got to the point
of too much guesswork. Bottom line is, I don’t think we currently have a roster that Manning would want to join given the choice. Even if we add a couple of FAs, I still don’t see it. That’s just me.
UkRedskin - January 18, 2012
Cool.. Nice Debating w/you
Bring in 18!! If we Clevland doesn’t take RG3 of course.
Chillz - January 18, 2012
Manning would...
be more frustrated with the drops from Moss, Hankerson, Davis, and Cooley than a subpar O-line.
2up2down - January 18, 2012
Why Manning WOULD fit
He’s old
He’s past his prime
He would generate jersey/ticket sales
He would cost several draft picks
He will be over paid
Elaw6 - January 18, 2012
Manning, no way
I’d Kyle had probs with McNabb he would def not like relinquishing control to Manning. If Manning is available (because I’m not buying that he is retiring) then does Miami make a move for him?
Bryan Black - January 18, 2012 via Android app
If Kyle had problems....
damn auto correct
Bryan Black - January 18, 2012 via Android app
i am not saying get manning but
how does bringing in saturday and wayne become inevitable ?
why cant we draft a qb in round 2(which we would anyways ) if we got manning?
we get manning and hankerson stops developing ? or davis ? or helu ? or royster ? or any draft picks we get ? kerrigan folds up ? gomes does too ?
we arent signing manning unless he is healthy , and if we feel we can make a run.
manning or rex`? manning or orton ? manning or flynn ? manning or cassell? i mean do i need to go thru who would you rather have ?
we are getting younger , and we have a lot of draft picks in the next 2 years . getting manning doesnt change that
now really we should just avoid the hole fiasco and get the cheaper flynn
skinsdad62 - January 18, 2012
Because you'd have to convince Manning to come here.
It’s not 100% that Saturday and Wayne have to sign with him, but they would certainly improve the chances.
We could draft a QB in the second, but Manning used to take every practice rep in Indy, which is why Curtis Painter sucked when Manning went down. How is a second round QB going to improve without any reps?
Hank potentially stops developing if we bring in vet WR’s to help us contend now and takes away his reps. Helu and Royster need to show they can both last a full season, Gomes is far from the finished product.
UkRedskin - January 18, 2012
Fully agree with this post
but would like to add another facet to this. He would compete against his brother within the division, which I don’t see the Manning family being okay with that at all. I think Peyton would rather retire than be involved in that circus.
Nice post.
LifeOnMars - January 18, 2012
Too old!!!!
Peyton’s face after finding out he’ll play in 2012!!!
1x1an - January 18, 2012
Isn't it cute? He's already wearing Burgundy & Gold!!!!
1x1an - January 18, 2012
well done 1x1an
Diesel44 - January 18, 2012
won't happen
I agree with most. Manning is almost his own offensive coordinator; can’t see him co-existing with coaches too fond of their own systems or have too big an ego. Which is why I don’t see him with the Jets. Manning is a future Hall of Famer; why would he put up with that clown in New York? If he doesn’t retire and leaves Indy, which is rebuilding, I see him in Miami. Celebrity owners, decent defense, already has a halfway decent QB so that a Manning injury won’t kill them, lots of offensive weapons.
But it is almost worth getting Manning if only to get Kyle Shanahan fired. The guy is one of these young coordinators who think football is a video game and can never adapt to new players and teams outsider their systems. Seldom called a run, at least early in the season when it mattered. Houston is so much better without him. I think even lowly John Beck might have won a game if it weren’t for him. I remember us down 16 near the end of the Buffalo (or Detroit?) game, 2nd and 4 on the 50 yard line. Chances of saving the season is slim but finite. What did he do? Call 3 straight passes. 3 incompletions, when Beck could run.
We clearly need a QB this off-season (understatement of the century). No sense talking about adding depth when we don’t have a starter at the most important position. My crazy plan (may not be legal): outbid everyone for Matt Flynn. Then trade up and draft RGIII. If successful, trade Flynn for draft picks. (Really low, the kind of thing Josh McDaniels does, but we’re desperate.) We also need someone who can stop mobile QBs, desperately; lost too many games to those. A first round safety or linebacker will do, but if we don’t have a 1st round pick, some sort of hybrid, specialty player in the 3rd/4th round may have to suffice.
formerbroncosfan - January 18, 2012
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