Yesterday Ryan O'Halloran said that the Redskins have basically given up on safety Laron Landry and they are ready to send him and his monkey Gucci packing. I say good riddance! Landry was/is uber talented, but the man just can't stay healthy. Furthermore I can't deal with the celebrations and on-field antic of "Not-so Dirty 30" after giving up big plays. I'm not sure if the "30" stands for his roster number or the number of yards he surrenders per play.
You're going to hear a lot of Skins fan say something to the tune of, "we have to keep our high picks" or "but he's going to be really good elsewhere". Who cares! If the guy doesn't want to be here then... PEACE OUT! This isn't a situation like Carlos Rogers and the FO. Laron points a finger at the Skins training staff, but seriously, Laron, who knows your body best? Stand up for yourself. It's sad really, if Laron had his brother's head (Dawan) then he may have been one of the best safeties we've ever seen.
The question is, who do we get to replace Landry?
We could go the college route where Mark Barron, Harrison Smith, and Antonio Allen are the highest ranked safeties. Or we can go the FA route where guys like Chris Harris, Tyvon Branch, Tom Zbikowski, and others are lurking. I mean, seriously, who doesn't want to trade in their Landry jersey for a fresh Zbikowski shirt?
One thing is for sure, the Skins are in good hands especially with Raheem Morris. A suitable replacement will be found, I'm not worried about that at all. Perhaps this is even an opportunity to add some more depth. The best news is that we likely have one less moron in the locker room and on the field for the Skins.
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Dejon played well.
Can Doughty play close to the LOS like Landry and succeed? He certainly can’t in coverage, we know that.
Andrew DeFrank - January 26, 2012
Come on Andrew. We need a new boat, not some chewing gum to stick in the holes of the old one.
Gomes needs to be a depth guy for now, Doughty needs to be a depth guy forever. Don’t fall in love with Gomes like everyone did with Horton.
Parks Smith - January 26, 2012
But they look so similar in their uniforms
CarverM - January 26, 2012
there is only one man we can count on to save us at the safety position. Oooooh yeah!
The Macho “Man” Harris
Jeff Bernard - January 26, 2012
I cannot believe you made that your signature, weak
Parks Smith - January 26, 2012
Haha, don't be mad because the conference championships ruined your chance at 6-0
Jeff Bernard - January 26, 2012
Michael GRIFFIN
fa fron TITANS. He’s a fs but our safeties are interchangable accourding to coaches. He’s a good tackler and has good coverage skills
beelo - January 26, 2012
and Griffin has played a little SS in his career also
Steve Shoup - January 26, 2012
I would like him...
what would his FA contract cost?
jgibbsfan1 - January 27, 2012
SteveO set his price at 6 millie per year
StephanHart - January 27, 2012
so, it would cost us the same as franchising Landry...
perhaps, lower cap figure if he is signed to a 4 yr. contract. I would be ok with that….
jgibbsfan1 - January 27, 2012
exactly though i would guess it might be more like a 5 or 6 year deal
Steve Shoup - January 27, 2012
Dashon Goldson
get him at free safety he was all over the place in the playoffs…Landry needs to get his health or be an afterthought
terpsez11 - February 8, 2012
No Free Safety
Doughty played well at the LOS as a Strong Safety. The problem is that the Skins have not had a real Free Safety since Sean Taylor.
Safado - January 26, 2012
Atogwe is fine when healthy, big "when" though
Parks Smith - January 26, 2012
O'Halloran's justification for his assumption
and remember, it’s just his opinion, is that LaRon is refusing Achilles surgery after a year of problems. Since the Redskins declined to comment, it MUST mean that they do not want him back. Grade A inferences right there.
SSBlitz - January 26, 2012
well there could be more to it than that
When asked about Landry down here in Mobile, Shanahan has been gruff and curt with his responses. Compare that to how Orakpo’s surgery went, and despite the fact that Shanny hasn’t even talked to Orakpo he’s far more positive.
Steve Shoup - January 26, 2012
Do we re-up Rak this offseason?
CarverM - January 26, 2012
2 more years under contract, but I hope they are talking extension
Steve Shoup - January 26, 2012
I’m trying to get a hold of some sports medicine doctors for an interview, but it;s not going well. It’s possible that surgery doesn’t guarantee it’s healed either.
Kevin Ewoldt - January 26, 2012
that's true
but if the team docs are reccommending it, not doing it won’t endear you to that team.
Steve Shoup - January 26, 2012
read this from Rich Tandler today.
In-house
Reed Doughty—He has been the old faithful backup at safety since 2006 and it probably is best that he remains a reserve. Doughty’s coverage skills are suspect and while you can make up for that issue a game or two at a time it would not be wise to rely on him for 16 games.
DeJon Gomes—He started five games last year and his play was acceptable considering that he was a rookie fifth-round draft pick who wasn’t in an offseason program due to the lockout. That said, his play was not up to snuff for a 16-game starter. The Redskins could choose to gamble that Gomes could get to where a starter needs to be by next September.
Draft
Mark Barron, Alabama—According to my man Wes Bunting, Barron’s main strength is his attacking style, which makes him a solid player when the ball in in front of him. However, his ball skills are suspect and it might be scary when he is asked to turn and chase down a receiver on a deep ball. Wes has him as a late first-round pick.
Harrison Smith, Notre Dame—Bunting’s third-rated strong safety has “natural range and instincts”. Although you might not want him playing center field, he could fill the bill as an in the box safety. Smith could be available in the third round.
Free agency
Tyvon Branch, Raiders—Oakland is likely to use its franchise tag on running back Michael Bush, so Branch should be a free agent. He is solid both against the run and in pass defense and he won’t be 26 until next December.
Sean Jones, Bucs—There is quite a drop off in free agent strong safeties after Branch. Jones is probably the best of the next their although he as some issues tackling and he will be 30 before next season starts.
Mad Russian - January 26, 2012
If Barron is sitting there in the 2nd you HAVE to take him.
Parks Smith - January 26, 2012
Not if that's where you're supposed to draft you QB of the future (as in the future from one second from now)
BillWard - January 26, 2012
If we trade back for another 2nd we can do both!!
ipitydafu - January 26, 2012
Read someplace where
Carlos Rogers was saying R. Doughty wanted out,,,and looked for him to be somewhere else
terpsez11 - February 8, 2012
How many resources are we looking to allocate to a SS this offseason is the question.
CarverM - January 26, 2012
Damn this FA coming before the draft, I like the lockout way!
Parks Smith - January 26, 2012
Nah, Matt Flynn will be cheaper this way
CarverM - January 26, 2012
You're killing me
Parks Smith - January 26, 2012
Haha
Ronnie Adkins - January 26, 2012
Yeah
That was definitely worth a malevolent chuckle
Bullet Nation in Exile - January 27, 2012
+1000.
LA11 - January 26, 2012
I would say go with the draft to replace him
I have mixed feelings on Antonio Allen, and probably wouldn’t be comfortable taking him before the mid-4th, but the rest of the guys I’m highly interested in.
In addition to Smith and Barron, I like George Illoka from Boise and Markelle Martin from OK State. Martin is considered more a FS, but I think he is more than capable of playing in the box.
We need to remember that unless it is Denver and maybe Houston teams are passing over 60% of the time now, so Martin’s coverage ability especially with all these highly athletic pass catching TE’s is key. And if the worst is that he’s not built for the box (which i don’t believe) he can replace Atogwe in a year or two.
I’d also look to sign a Craig Steltz or Zibinkowski to be a backup
Steve Shoup - January 26, 2012
I want to like Illoka but he is just so raw. He's long too which is just, kind of, odd for a safety
Parks Smith - January 26, 2012
I miss Sean Taylor.
CarverM - January 26, 2012
+1
Jpage0024 - January 26, 2012
+21
taylor21 - January 26, 2012
he's a little raw, and makes a few miscues, but man he's made some great plays down here this week
I think he’s really impressing a number of people, especially with how much ground he covers for his size.
Steve Shoup - January 26, 2012
That is a Nice Pick
He is a player that I would agree with bringing in, he can play an has a nice skill set. Will not take him long for he is very coach-able which the type of player we need, players not drama queens. We might as well get the free safety as well and make a set out of them.
Redskin-Ron - January 26, 2012
Landry can go as far as I'm concerned.
That stat about how many games he missed over the last 20 something games was enough to have me pack his bags for him. If you can’t stay healthy then you can be replaced.
Jpage0024 - January 26, 2012
We could draft Brandon Boykin in the 3rd
and move D Hall to safety……
CarverM - January 26, 2012
Can you imagine DHall playing SS?
He’s a spotty tackler and not a good cover guy…
StephanHart - January 26, 2012
U are forgetting the part where he is small and has no chance of covering any TE...
LA11 - January 26, 2012
Oh, right....yea he PERFECT to not play SS haha
StephanHart - January 26, 2012
Are you talking about Doughty or Hall?
CJHutch - January 26, 2012
Does it matter? haha
Parks Smith - January 26, 2012
We Do have Options
To be honest he was not doing much when he was on the field, he can not cover anyone so he is not much more than a overpaid player, that is the honest part of it. So we can get just about any rookie out there that is up to snuff and they can do a better job than someone who shows that they do not want to play anymore- sounds just like Carlos Rodgers-now he plays for SF which shows that he could have played while he was here. Just tired of sorry players who do not want to perform.
Redskin-Ron - January 26, 2012
I would like a safety from the Draft, please.
TheDeepBall - January 26, 2012
Get the Radiers saftey.
LA11 - January 26, 2012
branch is just as important to the Raiders
as London is to the Redskins… it would be a huge surprise to see him hit free agency
Skins Fan '77 - January 27, 2012
and their new coach is defensive minded...
it will be telling who they franchise…
jgibbsfan1 - January 27, 2012
I really admire branch as a player and a person on and off the field
and would be very excited to see him in the burgundy and gold
it’s just a very unlikely scenario in my opinion, the Raiders will find a way just like we will find a way to keep London
Skins Fan '77 - January 27, 2012
i tend to agree the Raiders don't really have anyone else the'd franchise so I'm guessing Branch gets that tag
Steve Shoup - January 27, 2012
The grass is always greener something something…
Mr. E - January 26, 2012
Is this a trick question? Are you joshing me?
Ok, I’ll play along. Hmm….let me see, how do you replace a guy who’s never there? I’m guessing Jimmy Hoffa’s unavailable? The invisible man maybe? Or…OR we could just bring back Fat Albert.
CJHutch - January 26, 2012
this
yup
HankMonahan - January 26, 2012
If you're starter never plays
then that position is only as strong as your backup. Good riddance.
ripST - January 26, 2012
how about Baccari Rambo in the 2nd
52 tackles and 7 picks .plus how cool would it be to have a defensive palyer named rambo
taylor21 - January 26, 2012
He isn't in the draft
Parks Smith - January 26, 2012
Maybe
Colonel Trautmen can get him released for us.
CJHutch - January 26, 2012
is it me or is this one of the smallest saftey clases ever?
taylor21 - January 26, 2012
Trade Landry for a future pick
get ‘some’ value out of him, conditional 2013 3rd rounder or something.
Hopefully the organziation can just be smart about it, and just don’t let him walk away (in this case his achilles is already jammed up).
Big Spoon - January 26, 2012
you cant trade him
he is a free agent with an achilles problem
skinsdad62 - January 26, 2012
understood
I thought he had one year left on his contract.
Big Spoon - January 26, 2012
maybe we can give him a short term deal
and ship him to the rams to reunite with greg williams maybe to add leverge to a pick swap
taylor21 - January 26, 2012
As long as it benefits the Skins, I'm all in!
Big Spoon - January 26, 2012
yeah i don't think that would work
Steve Shoup - January 26, 2012
if you lose landry
we may not replace him right away and go with the gomes /doughty tandem
how are we going to pick a safety in round 2 if we havent settled qb ?
what the skins should do is transition tag him and sign him to a one year deal , give gomes time to sink or swim and simply draft one if needed next season
our defense was 13th without landry most of the year so i dont see the need to do anything rash at all
skinsdad62 - January 26, 2012
I concur, this would perhaps be the best thing for him.
Big Spoon - January 26, 2012
why transition him and waste that money. If he's going to sign a 1 year deal it should be for like $2 million tops
and even then there is next to zero benefit for the Redskins in that situation.
Steve Shoup - January 26, 2012
I have a feeling that landry will be back
we will make him an offer
he’ll laugh and say Im worth way more than this have you seen my madden rating?
and when he finds out he isnt he’ll come crawling back
taylor21 - January 26, 2012
I have a feeling your wrong.
He is now in Mike Shannahans doghouse. They wanted him to have surgery in December. And Shannahan is very upset he still won’t have surgery. Don’t think the Redskins even make him an offer.
Mad Russian - January 26, 2012
you are right, if he comes back, it will be crawling
because he won’t be able to walk (or run, or cover, or tackle)
Skins Fan '77 - January 27, 2012
I read Shanahan's comments as neutral
Sort of, “well, let’s hope he’s OK. We’ll see.” Somebody on HH, seemingly pretty knowledgeable, posted about the operation, and I can see why Laron is hesitating. Solid chance of not working, or something going wrong. Meanwhile, a fair chance that he can work it out, heal without surgery. A tough decision.
Still, from that info, considering that the doctor recommended surgery, and for what seemed like straightforward reasons (remove bumps), I think most people would have had the surgery. Without the surgery, he might get somewhat better, then have it return with a vengeance – never really get cured – like past years.
Donnio1234 - January 26, 2012
surgery comes with the risk
of never having the problem resolved… that is what makes it a tricky decision… there is no guarantee it will work.
This is a case where I think the team doctors have a conflict of interest–it makes more sense for the Redskins for Landry to have the surgery but, it makes more sense for Landry not to in my opinion
Skins Fan '77 - January 27, 2012
Im not totally disagreeing with all of you but....
I would like us to get another corner possibly Claiborne out the draft and keep Landry. If we could do that then we would be able to play Landry more to his strengths. Therefore lettimg him roam and blitz more basically letting him play the qb and be the beast that we all know he could be.
mr.snyderhireme - January 26, 2012 via mobile
There you go
Falling into that trap of formulating a plan that actually DEPENDS on Landry
CJHutch - January 26, 2012
who is covering Landry's man then?
The issue with a SS is not to double team someone, but most of the time have a responsibility for their own man or zone
Steve Shoup - January 26, 2012
the same guy who always covers Landry's man… nobody
Skins Fan '77 - January 27, 2012
haha
Steve Shoup - January 27, 2012
Not Going to Happen
He will not heal in time and be ready for the season, he knows that, so his window has come and past, and we have to move on because this has been going on for almost two years now. No more games, draft the players and play them, they will struggle at first, but improve as time goes on. We have no choice now and Landry knows that himself.
Redskin-Ron - January 26, 2012
Landry is garbage.
I’ll be honest, he’s never impressed me as a football player. He had that one good game in Seattle in 07…that’s it.
He’s just not very good.
iH8dallas - January 26, 2012 via mobile
He is great at being injured and flexing his guns and getting trucked by Brandon Jacobs and burnt by Desean Jackson
Jeff Bernard - January 26, 2012
In all fairness a lot of guys have been trucked by Jacobs
and burnt by Desean
Bryan Black - January 26, 2012 via Android app
True but not a lot of guys get up and flex their guns after tackling a guy who just made a first down.
Jeff Bernard - January 26, 2012
I don't care what he does after he makes the tackle
As long as he makes it, which he normally does. I can go either way on it, don’t base your thoughts on what a guy does…as long as he makes the play. That’s todays NFL, guys celebrating for routine plays.
Bryan Black - January 26, 2012 via Android app
No its not. Only clowns celebrate after giving up a 15 yard pass.
Landry is vastly overrated. He is constantly hurt and he is at the end of his contract. Bye Landry!
Jeff Bernard - January 27, 2012
Turn on any NFL game and you will see much of the same
Again, todays NFL
Bryan Black - January 27, 2012 via Android app
would u rather...
have him miss the tackle…I don’t care if he celebrates the kickoff he makes tackles…period. there have been alot of missed tackles on this team
jkitts84 - January 27, 2012 via Android app
you don't celebrate when you made a tackle after giving up a crucial 3rd down
who cares that you made the tackle, am i supposed to give you a cookie that you only gave up 15 yards as opposed to 20?
Steve Shoup - January 27, 2012
So when Rex complete a 3 and 7 pass for 3 yards and we punt he can pump his fist and flex his guns?
You are okay with that right? I mean would you rather he missed the pass? You don’t care if he converts 3rd downs as long as he completes passes right?
Jeff Bernard - January 27, 2012
Except quality, high character players that win and care about winning
See: New England Patriots
Parks Smith - January 27, 2012
Kerrigan
StephanHart - January 27, 2012
There is another way
We can use the draft to get a free & strong safety. There are enough choices & players out there to take care of those positions, and the good thing is soon the local players will come into town right before the draft so believe me it is already covered.
Redskin-Ron - January 26, 2012
If Laron wants out, we should let him go.
If he can get back to 100%, he’s on board and is willing to re-sign on a reasonable contract, then I’m all for bringing him back. His medical history and ego makes this an unlikely scenario, which is a shame because I thought he was an absolute beast up until his first Achilles injury.
IF Landry stays:
I like Doughty a lot, but I think it’s time to part ways with him, Dejon Gomes should take his spot as the back-up at SS (I don’t think he is good enough in coverage for FS)
I’d like to see Kevin Barnes moved to Free Safety as I’ve liked what I’ve seen of him when he has been asked to fill in before.
If Landry Goes:
Free Agency is pretty dire this year and I think the best SS option on the market is Craig Steltz, but he’s not a proven starter (and he looks like something out of The Hills Have Eyes.)
This years draft is pretty weak and I don’t think we’re in a position to use anything above a 4th rounder on Safety. I like Winston Guy Jr out of Kentucky and Brandon Taylor from LSU at SS, as mid-late round picks.
Another option is drafting a FS and sliding Atogwe across to SS. Eddie Whitely from Virginia Tech and Trenton Robinson from Michigan State are two talented players in our range
The Shanaplan - January 26, 2012
Doughty is AWFUL..
He can get to steppin with Laron when he leaves. We cant afford to take a step back when Landry goes though. Gomes is still just a backup IMO.
Maybe we go get Tyvon Branch from the Raiders during FA, or if we happen to draft someone this offseason, a couple of names that have impressed: Mark Barron, George Iloka, Markelle Martin, Harrison Smith. I think if we can grab one of these guys, the team wont lose a step.
jfield1111 - January 26, 2012
Kevin Barnes moved to Free Safety
and it was not pretty… granted he did not get a lot of time there, but he really did not show me any reason to continue the experiment–I know others disagree, but he just didn’t show the skills necessary (bad angles, bad tackling in the open field)
Skins Fan '77 - January 27, 2012
you're not the only one
besides the couple of picks there wasn’t really anything that screamed FS to me as well.
Rekka - January 27, 2012
Most of the free agent safeties are free safeties
In addition to the SS you listed, Craig Steltz, is also interesting. He is 6-2 and 210 lbs. None may have Landry’s speed, but it is what it is.
Jefferson1935 - January 26, 2012
Got an idea
Landry for Manning and we keep all of our draft picks.
MAJSkinsfan - January 26, 2012
We cant let Landry leave...
He’s better than whoever we try to replace him with. When he played that first half against Dallas on MNF, he was one the best players on the field. When healthy he’s a difference maker. He doesn’t want to be here?? Well winning fixes all of that, we should franchise him and get 1 more year out of him at least. If he comes back healthy and plays well we should lock him up long term. Letting go one of our most talented players doesn’t exactly fit in the “rebuilding” concept to me.
Chillz - January 26, 2012
Don't you have to play to be better than someone?
Parks Smith - January 26, 2012
by what measure is he good?
Other than being drafted at #6
Jeff Bernard - January 26, 2012
Well... one time he hit this guy really hard and I thought it was sweet!
Parks Smith - January 26, 2012
If Landry and Atogwe don't get healthy
we are really hurting at safety. They just have to get some safeties in the draft or FA. Second priority (behind QB).
Donnio1234 - January 26, 2012
I don’t think people should fall in love with Gomes. The Skins really simplified the game to avoid exposing him. He got by, but was nothing special. Provided FS is covered by OJ and therefore Doughty is available, would prefer to have Reed over Gomes at the line. And I’ve been very underwhelmed by Reed. But Gomes is still raw (and may never be much, let’s be real).
I advocate bringing back all our crap (OJ, Laron, Reed, Gomes) PLUS an FA or draft choice. And just let the boys battle it out in training camp (and cut whoever doesn’t make it). The position is not magically going to become a strength for us…but we don’t have the luxury to spend a lot of draft pick on it and the FAs are nothing special either. We should just try to avoid getting much worse and just get by, like we have been.
Attention needed to QB, WR, TE! and OL.
Let’s not make SS/FS worse OR spend a lot of wasted energy on it.
TCO - January 26, 2012
easy with the Raheem praise
From what I’ve seen Raheem can’t coach his way out of a paper bag, although the biggest plus might be him bringing in Tanard Jackson. Big t-jack is a really solid free safety, if he quits smoking weed for the next three years he could be a good pick up for pennies. He is not a locker room headache, he is way more like ricky williams, plus he’s from Montgomery county, he’s one of us!!
Ya ur right, we gotta let this guy go, he’s all muscles and still gets trucked over. He will probably have a great couple of games wherever, and everyone will ask why we let him go, and then he will get hurt and only be good for less than half the time.
surf3337 - January 26, 2012
Landry is better than Harris, Branch and Zbikowski
He’s injured a lot and misses a lot of time but you can’t be serious that any of those players are better than Landry. We don’t have the luxury of letting go one of our best players walk. Him and OJ never were completely healthy at the same time, we never got to see their full potential as a top safety combo. Replace Landry with one of those guys and our safeties rank in the bottom half of the league.
Chillz - January 26, 2012
Landry already ranks in the bottom of safeties
Jeff Bernard - January 26, 2012
They are better b/c they actually contribute to a football team, Landry doesn't
You have to play to be a better player
Parks Smith - January 26, 2012
By that logic Rex Grossman is a better player than Peyton Manning b/c he actually helped a team?
Chillz - January 26, 2012
This past year?
Yes I would rather have had Rex as my starting QB this past year then Peyton
Jornek - January 27, 2012
have you seen branch play?
Branch has enough coverage skills to be a free safety–no way you can make that statement about number 30
Skins Fan '77 - January 27, 2012
Not when it comes to getting torched by D.Jax
You think letting Landry walk will help this team get better?? He’ll be the top safety on the market, we can’t use that??
Chillz - January 26, 2012
I bought a #30 Jersey in August
… so of course he’ll be gone now.
zoddiac - January 26, 2012
Buying a player's Jersey going into his contract year after he spent the second half of last season in IR....not a solid move
StephanHart - January 27, 2012
Bring Landry back for at least 1 more season
These are most of the same people who advocate trading back because you dont want to waste valuable draft picks well this guy was a vaulable draft pick #6 overall. This is why the Redskins cant substain any success as well cause they rather get other people free agents than sign there own guys. you gotta keep guys you draft for 6-8 seasons or like 2 contracts especially top 10 picks. 2005 Carlos Rodges, jason Campbell 1st rd pick gone, whole 2008 draft minus Fred davisand Rob Jackson gone, Champ Bailey gone, Fred smoot gone Antonio pierce gone so the Redskins have been like a minor league for the rest of the NFL win our players about to hit peak we run them out of town for other teams problems
Highspeed30 - January 26, 2012
Why
J.H.P - January 26, 2012
I know he got the achilles injury but I am reading that surgery is not really a good option either
cause there is a good chance he still have the same problems he had this year, at the minimum put the transition tag on him so you could get something back if you dont want to match the offer. But the Redskins dont have a better Safety option Free safety or strong safety. sign a 3 year deal that you can get out of after 1 year and see where he is, by mid season next year he may come back to form when he was playing lights out possibly defensive player of the year in 2010 til the injury.
Highspeed30 - January 26, 2012
you get nothing back for a transition tag and it would guarantee a pretty good salary that he simply doesn't deserve
Steve Shoup - January 26, 2012
Today the Redskins replaced LaRon Landry with Folgers crystals...
let’s see what there opponent thought:
“I don’t know something was different with the Redskins today, like more gourmet in the secondary”
Mr.Chomper - January 26, 2012
Two problems
Weak draft and FA corp for safeties. I’d give him another year.
2up2down - January 27, 2012
still plenty of interesting options out there
Steve Shoup - January 27, 2012
problem with laron is he doesn't have a safeties instincts. he's a small LB.
I think when he got trucked by Jacobs he decided to get enormous. Lost his speed. The speed he showed after Sean died in the second half of the year. We need a safety who realizes that tackling and wrapping up is more important than a kill shot.
PlaymakerInDC - January 27, 2012 via iPhone app
agreed
beelo - January 27, 2012
Sean was so special he made me love the safety position. but honestly he was so special
That he made me over value the position as a whole. To be successful you really only need average safeties. I mean look at the Giants and Pats now. Rolle is a slow CB pretending to play like Sean. I’ll always love the FS position cause of Sean but even I admit you can plug average guys and still be very successful. CB is much more important.
PlaymakerInDC - January 27, 2012 via iPhone app
Interesting yes
but guys like Chris Harris and Michael Griffin have been thoroughly inconsistent in their careers. Drafting a guy is always a risk. Ideally, we need both safeties replaced, but this isn’t the off-season to do it imo.
2up2down - January 27, 2012
and what is Landry?
Griffin has probably been more consistent then him.
Steve Shoup - January 27, 2012
So replace an inconsistent safety with another? Don’t get that logic. I’d rather give Landry an incentive laden 1-year deal since he already knows the system, but if he wants anything more let him walk.
2up2down - January 27, 2012
Knowing the system hasn't done Landry a lot of good as he regressed this year from last season
Griffin has some concerns, but he’s a safer bet health wise and he’s more steady in general. I’m not fully advocating Griffin just saying it is a better option. It also fills the need for the future something that signing Landry to a one year deal doesn’t.
Steve Shoup - January 27, 2012
Injuries and no OTAs played a role in that. How in the world can you say Griffin will fill a need for the future given his inconsistency. We could sign him to term and he could end up being a total flop. There’s less risk in signing Landry to a 1-year deal than Griffin to a long one.
2up2down - January 27, 2012
what is the upside to signing Landry to only one year?
If he’s great, then the Skins are screwed and have to pay up big time and hope and pray those injuries and inconsistencies don’t return.
If he’s awful/injured then the Redskins don’t have anyone to fill the position, and the money they gave him is wasted.
If he’s somewhere in between it is wide open for debate, but which ever way he leans too is a negative for the Skins.
Only possible good scenario for the Skins is if he was willing to sign for 3-4 years at a very below market rate with some incentives, and little guaranteed money so they could get out of the deal. Otherwise you are only ‘renting him out’ to rehab his value.
Griffin has been better than Landry the last 4 years…fact. Okay a good bit of that has to do with one player staying healthy and the other not, but those types of trends do have a habit reoccurring.
Steve Shoup - January 28, 2012
Well your arguement is two-fold
What’s the upside in signing Griffin? Hoping and praying he’ll find consistency here? Otherwise, we’re going to be stuck with an inconsistent player with term. There’s less risk in Landry for a year, if he does great you can re-sign, if he flames out let him walk. Better than giving someone term with the risk of that player being a sunk cost down the line. Though, if Griffin wants a short-term deal I wouldn’t mind.
2up2down - January 28, 2012 via mobile
1. If he’s great and able to negotiate a star salary next year, you’ve still gotten 1 year of great production from him.
2. If he’s injured, you IR him and bring someone else in. It’s not like we are hurting for cap space.
3. not a lot of attractive options out there…and we need to concentrate on QB and OL and WR.
TCO - January 30, 2012
Here's an idea
Fire Ray Wright and Chad Englehart (strength and conditioning coaches) Wright has been here for 5 years. It seems like the Redskins have more hamstring and ’tweaks and pulls" than many other teams. Some one should tell Laron that all of that lifting is why he is pulling so many muscles and tendons.
Rodskin - January 27, 2012
examples?
Parks Smith - January 27, 2012
Santana Moss almost every year (except last year) Malcom Kelly his whole career. Laron Landry. Chris Horton, Chris Samuels (before the neck), Clinton Portis, Ladell Betts Phillip Daniels. I never read anything about Laron not wanting to come back. But I have been on vacation so maybe I missed something. Just look at Alex Smith. (not in the championship game) you can’t just go around “Peacing out” players that you don’t like. The main goal should be to do what’s best for the team. And letting him go would not be what’s best right now.
Rodskin - January 27, 2012 via mobile
Now compare that to other teams and let me know what you find.
Parks Smith - January 27, 2012
I really think Atogwe will be fine for next season
The guy is a veteran and should know how to take care of his body.
He was coming off an offseason with no team conditioning. I think he should be able to stay much healthier.
tman5 - January 27, 2012
i hope so
but I’d still like to see them add at least two safeties this offseason and one of which i hope can play some FS as well.
Steve Shoup - January 27, 2012
OJ does not have a history of being extremely durable
and he is now approaching the wrong side of 30… I think it is foolish to count on him for 16 solid starts…we knew this when we signed him, just another case of hoping and potential
Skins Fan '77 - January 27, 2012
I bet if you asked LaRon Landry how many times he blew coverages this season his answer would be zero.
Obey - January 27, 2012
Get comfy with the idea he's in Burgundy and Gold next year
Who should know his body better that him? Probably the guys who went to school for 7 years to study it. But it’s HIS body so he shouldn’t be forced to cut into it if he doesn’t want to. Just like any other citizen can decide. If he decides he wants to wait and see how other treatment works, it’s his choice. Let’s not lose sight of that basic right. Plus a “no” today could be “yes” next week and he has 8 months to rehab if needed.
I think at the end of the day, he’ll be back with the Skins specifically because he’s had 2 injury-plagued seasons. He will not get the big time bucks he wants, no other GM will sign him to play only half a year. His best contract may be from Washington, purely business says he’s back.
And for the money, he maybe a great value. There is no one available better than him to fill the role. Getting him on the field is the hard part.
For one, I’m in the minority and say bring him back. Jeers will quickly change when he’s on the field.
44ever - January 27, 2012
im with you
im a little upset how people are reacting over this. Im not sure we have all the facts. The surgery doesnt sound like a surefire fix. I doubt Landry would make a decision to not have the surgery and not be able to play. If he wants out….why would he go to a team being hurt? I dont think he is going to make any money.
Im holding judgement, i dont think another team is going to overpay him and we might be able to keep him to see if he can get healthy again. If he truly wants out fine, but it sounds like he is going to get a one year deal at best I would think.
I truly believe he thrives in Haslett’s defense and would love for him to stay.
millatyme - January 27, 2012
you are completely right that it is his body and if he doesn't want to go under the knife he doesn't have to
but at the same time it is the Redskins team, and if they are saying that is what they want for you to be re-signed then you do it or move on.
And if no other GM will sign him, why should we? The Redskins don’t exactly have the depth to endure his injuries or the overall talent to waste money on a player who has a strong chance of being injured.
Steve Shoup - January 27, 2012
so we only take him if others want him?
if no one else wants him we get him cheap, and see how he does by preseason
millatyme - January 27, 2012
no i'm saying we should cut our ties now and move on
why throw good money after bad. Lets sign guys who aren’t injured before the season.
Steve Shoup - January 27, 2012
What they decide to do with OJ
will have some impact on what they do with Landry, If they decide to cut OJ, then look for them to resign Landry.
Redskin44 - January 27, 2012
Can we get a couple things straight on this debate?
1. LaRon is a FA. You can’t trade him for anything. And sign and trades, which work in the NBA, do not happen in the NFL.
-Stop proposing LaRon Landry trade scenarios2. LaRon is not a malcontent. He is simply a player who hasn’t lived up to expectations and has not been able to stay healthy in the last 2 years of his contract.
-Stop making this out to be a Carlos Rodgers, malcontent that wants to leave DC thing3. LaRon is not an irreplaceable piece of this defense. He has missed 15 of 32 games over the past 2 years, and looked around 70% when he played this year. in 2010, he had a 9 game stretch where he played at an elite level. He didnt play at that level before and he hasn’t played at that level again in 18 months.
-- Stop acting as if the Redskins HAVE to re-sign LaRon because he is an irreplaceable piece of our defense.StephanHart - January 27, 2012
I agree
I think he is irreplaceable though when healthy.
As of right now he definately is replaceable because he is not getting playing time. But as our own homegrown talent and based on reason 2, I want to wait this out and retain him. Our defense missed him in the box. The pressure our defense has been bringing lately suits him as a SS and reduces the chances of him getting burned from time to time.
millatyme - January 27, 2012
He's not? Getting into skirmishes, bashing the staff in interviews, running your mouth... yea, nevermind definitely a great presence
Parks Smith - January 27, 2012
I love the attitude thing
Im glad he is making those plays as a safety, whether he breaks up the pass or not. You can tell it is something that keeps him motivated and focused. He is a competitor and loves a fight.
Whats wrong with this? Because they got a first down? He is a saftey, not a DT….I always thought of it as him doing his job. I wish the whole team looked this motivated all the time lol
millatyme - January 27, 2012
Yea it's great when players on a 5-11 team
Wag their finger at a player that just picked up a first down. Or celebrate a tackle on an opposing RB when he is running out the clock on your team. Or celebrating a late TD in a 28-17 ballgame.
That’s exactly what you want.
StephanHart - January 27, 2012
Go watch the O'Halloran "piece"
After watching the “report” the only thing clear is this is COMPLETE and TOTAL FABRICATION of a story. At best it’s speculation, at worst it’s incredibly irresponsible reporting.
So Shanny didn’t want to answer a question about a frustrating player situation? That must mean the entire organization wants to run LL out of town and burn his house down. The report is NOTHING. No confirmation, no discussion with any person within the organization, no one to bounce the idea RO may be full of sh!t.
For all we know Shanny thinks this guy is a total loser not worthy of having his high-school reporter’s badge and certainly not worth spending time discussing a multi-layered situation that a half-wit won’t understand in the first place.
Ryan O’Halloran produced a piece alright, a very large and stinking one. But I bet he’s getting free lunches so it’s totally worth his time. Just not mine. Or yours.
44ever - January 27, 2012
well actually we do know that Shanny respects O'Halloran since that is quite evident in press conferences
Mike Shanahan wasn’t going to give a straight answer either way so you have to read between the lines, that is what O’Halloran did here and I think it is valid. It’s quite clear that Shanahan is very frustrated with the situation, and that isn’t exactly a good thing when you are trying to renegotiate a contract.
Steve Shoup - January 27, 2012
no you dont have "read between the lines"
thats irresponsible or pure speculation.
He doesnt get an answer, so he makes one up? lol
Fine he is frustrated but we dont know why.
millatyme - January 27, 2012
he made one up?
And what do you mean we don’t know why Shanny is frustrated? what other options are there?
Steve Shoup - January 27, 2012
I'm sure there's a preexisting relationship b/w Shanny and RO
but saying “no comment” gruffly isn’t, and should not be considered as, the organization saying it has “moved on” from a player. Even reading between the lines doesn’t allow for such a leap as that.
If anything, it gives him license to say Shanny is “very frustrated with this situation” which Shanny didn’t say either but is within the bounds of reading between the lines. Guessing that a gruff response means a player’s certain termination is not inference, it’s irresponsible.
44ever - January 27, 2012
question? what else could Shanahan's comments mean? What possible positives could there be?
there is also zero termination as Landry is a free agent.
Steve Shoup - January 27, 2012
hahah
This post really jumped the gun and doesnt give any facts that LL wants out or explained the surgery problem
millatyme - January 27, 2012
Signed: Guy that owns Laron Landry jersey
Parks Smith - January 27, 2012
Haha, not really
LL’s never been a fav of mine.
But considering the hornet’s nest stirred up here, maybe you should get equal credit with RO.
44ever - January 27, 2012
As a fanbase we need to stop incredibly over-inflating the quality of our players.
It’s embarrassing
Parks Smith - January 27, 2012
sorry i didnt mean to embarass you
but i think landry is good
millatyme - January 27, 2012
Good at what? Playing half a season?
Parks Smith - January 27, 2012
no, playing football...
millatyme - January 27, 2012
Yea he's killed it in 4-8 games per year for the past 2 years now. What an amazing player
StephanHart - January 27, 2012
you guys can be as sarcastic as you want
but truth is he is a good player, and i would love to have him back and see if he can be healthy for this season.
millatyme - January 27, 2012
Thanks
Wouldn’t you agree that we tried to see if he could be healthy this past season after IRing him in 2010?
I mean, we gave him the opportunity to prove his worth in his contract season. During a player’s contract year, you expect to get the very best from them as they try to prove to you why they deserve big money. Look at what we got from Landry during his contract year….
StephanHart - January 27, 2012
correct
so whos going to give him big money? doesnt mean he deserves it because it is a contract year. hes probably going to have to settle for a one year contract with his injury history until he can prove otherwise.
im not arguing the fact that we need to send him loads of money, because we shouldnt. but i think we can retain him cheap because he is a good football player and fits our system. and im not against drafting another safety either. but im willing to wait to see where he is at by preseason
millatyme - January 27, 2012
I don't understand how you can say he is a good ballplayer right now
even where he manages to play, he is not 100%.
What you really mean is that he has POTENTIAL… but there is no indication that he is approaching a point in the near future of reaching it.
You have to have someone out there while he is rehabbing… we cannot afford to players for one position
Skins Fan '77 - January 27, 2012
no i have seen what he is able to do in the NFL
when he was healthy he was ok because we didnt play his strengths. he was out of place and trying to fill the FS position. When Haslett came in and played him right he lit it up. That doesnt scream potential to me, that tells me he can do it. Being good and being healthy are two diffrent points your are trying to make into one one.
millatyme - January 27, 2012
my point was not close
to potentially being healthy. Exactly the same as Peyton Manning, doesn’t matter how good you are if you can’t play
Skins Fan '77 - January 27, 2012
injuries are a concern as well as playing time
but you either wait them out and see or you move on, and right now i think we are in a place to wait.
millatyme - January 27, 2012
But understand: What you're talking about is what he did over 18 months ago...
StephanHart - January 27, 2012
yep
millatyme - January 27, 2012
So you are proposing that we tied up another roster spot
Next year?
So you think three years waiting on a player is reasonable?
I suppose you think Jamaal Brown will return to the Pro bowl next year as well
Skins Fan '77 - January 27, 2012
Well I'm in agreement with you that if we offer him a contract, it should be of the cheap variety
StephanHart - January 27, 2012
ageed
millatyme - January 27, 2012
how does Landry fit our system when he can't cover?
Steve Shoup - January 27, 2012
and what do the Redskins get by signing him cheaply for one year??, What happens next year if he is amazing?
is he going to sign for way less money, to make up for us paying him these last few years??
There is ZERO benefit for the Redskins.
Steve Shoup - January 27, 2012
You spelled coaches wrong.
Rodskin - January 27, 2012 via mobile
Ha - I see what you did there.
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StephanHart - January 27, 2012
You're wearing jorts
Parks Smith - January 27, 2012
was this posted in this thread from RO?
Q: How disappointed were you in LaRon’s decision not to have surgery to repair his Achilles’ tendon?
A: "I can’t say I’m disappointed. He’s a grown man and has to make decisions that he thinks are best for him and his future. Obviously, he thinks it gives him a chance to play. We’ll see. I hope he does get healed because I think he’s one of the best players in the league – if he’s healthy."
Sounds to me like he is willing to keep him around to give him another chance.
millatyme - January 27, 2012
Keeping those options open
StephanHart - January 27, 2012
Replace him?
Hasn’t he been replaced the past two years? He has not been on the field much, IMO, he has not been here anyways, so we just keep using who we have used and hopefully bring in another to add to the mix. He is just another wasted talent of the Redskins past…..Landry is not good,(he had 1/2 a good season) he is athletic and hits hard, when he is not hurt and on the field, he gets burnt and cannot tackle anyone after the catch. .He is a good tackler when they do not make the catch . Happy to see him go.
JNZO - January 27, 2012
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