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Senior Bowl Rosters, Shanahan's QBs, and Open Thread

Here's our Senior Bowl open thread, and after the jump are rosters for both teams.

When: 4PM EST
TV: NFL Network
Nc_medium vs Sc_medium

QBs Shanahan is coaching:

  • Nick Foles (6'5" 244 lbs, Arizona) - Projected 2nd round
  • Brandon Weeden (6'3" 1/2, 219 lbs, Ok State) - Projected late 1st/early 2nd
  • Ryan Lindley (6'3" 3/4, 229 lbs, San Diego State) - Projected 3rd

WR to watch (that Shanahan is coaching):

  • Juron Criner (6'2" 1/8, 220 lbs, Arizona)

Star-divide

South/Shanahan Roster

No. Name Position HT/WT School
55 Acho, Emmanuel LB 6'1" / 235 Texas
4 Adams, Joe WR 5'10" 1/2 / 174 Arkansas
26 Allen, Antonio DB 6'1" 1/4 / 202 South Carolina
72 Allen, Jeff OL 6'4" / 306 Illinois
28 Ballard, Vick RB 5'10" 1/8 / 217 Mississippi State
5 Bentley, Dwight DB 5'9" 7/8 / 176 Louisiana-Lafayette
91 Bequette, Jake LB 6'4" 1/2 / 264 Arkansas
61 Blackwell, Will OL 6'3" 1/2 / 314 LSU
74 Blake, Philip OL 6'2" 3/8 / 312 Baylor
2 Boykin, Brandon DB 5'9" 1/4 / 183 Georgia
13 Bradham, Nigel LB 6'1" 5/8 / 237 Florida State
70 Brown, James OL 6'3" 1/2 / 307 Troy
47 Brown, Zach LB 6'1" 3/8 / 236 North Carolina
29 Bullock, Randy PK 5'9" 3/8 / 207 Texas A&M
13 Butler, Drew P 6'1" 1/8 / 199 Georgia
90 Coples, Quinton DL 6'5" 3/4 / 281 North Carolina
33 Creer, Lennon RB 5'11 7/8" / 222 Louisiana Tech
82 Criner, Juron WR 6'2" 1/8 / 220 Arizona
8 Foles, Nick QB 6'5" / 244 Arizona
87 Fuller, Jeff WR 6'4" 1/8 / 217 Texas A&M
24 Ganaway, Terrance RB 5'11" 1/2 / 241 Baylor
71 Glenn, Cordy OL 6'5" 1/2 / 346 Georgia
89 Green, Ladarius TE 6'5" 3/4 / 237 Louisiana-Lafayette
62 Harris, Josh DS 6'1" 1/8 / 250 Auburn
19 Hayward, Casey DB 5'11" / 188 Vanderbilt
96 Howard, Jaye DL 6'3" / 292 Florida
6 Ingram, Melvin DL 6'1" 7/8 / 276 South Carolina
97 Jackson, Malik DL 6'4 3/4" / 285 Tennessee
88 Jenkins, A.J. WR 6'0 1/8" / 192 Illinois
1 Jenkins, Janoris DB 5'9" 3/4 / 191 North Alabama
94 Jerod-Eddie, Tony DL 6'4" / 303 Texas A&M
60 Jones, Ben OL 6'2" 5/8 / 304 Georgia
85 Jones, Dwight WR 6'3" 1/8 / 226 North Carolina
17 Lindley, Ryan QB 6'3" 3/4 / 229 San Diego State
10 Martin, Markelle DB 6'0" 3/4 / 203 Oklahoma State
76 McCants, Matt OL 6'5" 5/8 / 309 UAB
24 Menzie, DeQuan DB 5'10" 1/2 / 195 Alabama
32 Morris, Alfred RB 5'10 1/4" / 222 Florida Atlantic
19 Peterson, Deangelo TE 6'2" 7/8 / 230 LSU
92 Powell, Tydreke DL 6'2" 3/8 / 297 North Carolina
2 Rainey, Chris RB 5'8" 3/8 / 174 Florida
93 Randall, Kheeston DL 6'4" 1/2 / 297 Texas
51 Robinson, Keenan LB 6'3" 1/8 / 240 Texas
77 Sanders, Zebrie OL 6'5" 1/2 / 308 Florida State
44 Smelley, Brad TE 6'1" 7/8 / 233 Alabama
31 Spence, Sean LB 5'11" 3/8 / 228 Miami
4 Steed, Ryan DB 5'10" 3/8 / 190 Furman
18 Taylor, Brandon DB 5'11" 1/8 / 202 LSU
98 Thompson, Brandon DL 6'2" / 311 Clemson
41 Upshaw, Courtney DL 6'1" 1/2 / 273 Alabama
73 Vlachos, William OL 6'0" 3/8 / 306 Alabama
3 Weeden, Brandon QB 6'3" 1/2 / 219 Oklahoma State

North Roster/Vikings

No. Name Position HT/WT School
75 Adams, Mike OL 6'7" / 323 Ohio State
71 Bergstrom, Tony OL 6'5 1/2" / 315 Utah
50 Brewster, Mike OL 6'4 1/4" / 310 Ohio State
44 Cole, Audie LB 6'4 1/8" / 258 NC State
8 Cousins, Kirk QB 6'2 1/2" / 209 Michigan State
81 Crawford, Jack DL 6'4 7/8" / 268 Penn State
99 Curry, Vinny DL 6'3" / 265 Marshall
4 David, Lavonte LB 6'0 1/2" / 225 Nebraska
28 Davis, Demario LB 6'1 3/4" / 235 Arkansas State
82 Egnew, Michael TE 6'5 1/4" / 251 Missouri
34 Ewing, Bradie RB 5'11 5/8" / 241 Wisconsin
13 Fleming, Jamell DB 5'10 5/8" / 202 Oklahoma
24 Fletcher, Donnie DB 6'0 1/4" / 201 Boston College
83 Graham, T.J. WR 5' 11 3/8" / 182 NC State
1 Herron, Dan RB 5'9 1/4" / 212 Ohio State
84 Igwenagu, Emil TE 6'1 1/8" / 245 Massachusetts
18 Iloka, George DB 6'3 5/8" / 222 Boise State
2 Jackson, Asa DB 5'9 7/8" / 193 Cal Poly
56 Johnson, Cam LB 6'3 3/4" / 267 Virginia
52 Johnson, James-Michael LB 6'1 1/8" / 249 Nevada
23 Johnson, Leonard DB 5'9 7/8" / 198 Iowa State
78 Johnson, Rishaw OL 6'3 3/4" / 310 California (Pa.)
89 Jones, Marvin WR 6'1 7/8" / 198 California
56 Kelemete, Senio OL 6'3 1/2" / 300 Washington
85 Linthicum, Brian TE 6'3 3/4" / 249 Michigan State
8 Lynn, D'Anton DB 5'11 5/8" / 205 Penn State
22 Martin, Doug RB 5'9" / 219 Boise State
68 Martin, Mike DL 6'1 1/4" / 307 Michigan
92 McClellin, Shea DL 6'3" 1/4 / 248 Boise State
7 McNutt, Marvin WR 6'2 1/2" / 216 Iowa
11 Moore, Kellen QB 5'11 3/4" / 191 Boise State
21 Norman, Josh DB 6'0 1/4" / 200 Coastal Carolina
97 Nortman, Brad P 6'2 3/8" / 207 Wisconsin
73 Osemele, Kelechi OL 6'5 3/8" / 333 Iowa State
23 Pead, Isaiah RB 5'9 7/8" / 193 Cincinnati
20 Polk, Chris RB 5'10 1/2" / 224 Washington
3 Posey, DeVier WR 6'1 5/8" / 209 Ohio State
88 Quick, Brian WR 6'3 1/2" / 222 Appalachian State
98 Reyes, Kendall DL 6'3 7/8" / 300 Connecticut
81 Robinson, Gerell WR 6'3 1/8" / 223 Arizona State
19 Robinson, Trenton DB 5'9 1/2" / 193 Michigan State
72 Schwartz, Mitchell OL 6'5 1/8" / 317 California
22 Smith, Harrison DB 6'1 3/4" / 212 Notre Dame
74 Ta'amu, Alameda DL 6'2 1/2" / 341 Washington
74 Troutman, Johnnie OL 6'4 1/8" / 325 Penn State
45 Wagner, Bobby LB 6'0 1/4" / 241 Utah State
37 Wiggs, Carson PK 6'0 1/2" / 222 Purdue
16 Wilson, Russell QB 5'10 5/8" / 203 Wisconsin
90 Winn, Billy DL 6'3 3/8" / 296 Boise State
62 Wojta, Kyle DS 6'1 1/2" / 239 Wisconsin
95 Wolfe, Derek DL 6-5 / 300 Cincinnati
70 Zeitler, Kevin OL 6'3 7/8" / 315 Wisconsin

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Comments

Will be interesting

to see who are the starters.

Betcha Shanny doesn't start the ones he's interested in...

In poker terms… he wouldn’t want to tip his hand!

I. Want. Weedon.
I think I'm with you

Im a little afraid that we won’t be able to accurately predict where he will be taken.

Say we think he is safe for us to get at the top of the third.

But then he’s gone mid-second.

His weird set of pro’s and con’s make him hard to place.

He's shown to be the most ready of the ones that might be available to us at 6th overall.

I wouldn’t mind him under center.

Brandon Boykin is my favorite player in this game.
Ranking the 2012 Draft Prospects by Position - 3-4 Defensive Ends

http://www.mockingthedraft.com/2012/1/27/2731249/ranking-the-2012-draft-prospects-by-position-3-4-defensive-ends

Winn, Wolfe, Reyes, and Jerod-Eddie are here today

Bequette is as well, but he’s working with the LB’s , probably will move to the 3-4 OLB

I saw on twitter just a minute ago that the Redskins had a long meeting with...

Wait for it…drumroll please….Russell Wilson.

You mean the 5'11" QB from the team who almost never threw the ball?
Snark not needed.

Just repeating what I saw. No dog in the fight.

Me neither... I didn't sleep well... and there's no beer in the fridge!

You’d be upset too :-)

Just want to say we shouldn't read into any of these interviews

they are going to have a pretty long interview with every player down here. It’s a great way to do your homework, and on top of that it disguises who they really are interested in.

If Shanny is

actually intrigued by Russell Wilson, he’d be even more inclined to go shorter, running the Brandon Banks Wildcat all season.

Weeden is starting.

The Senior Bowl? For the Redskins next season? Both?

I wouldn’t mind him under center! Not worried about his age either.

Im coming around on it.

Honestly,

Weeden could be the guy who makes us Legit, but not superstars. Could be Mike’s man for 5 years, than grab a Kyle QB to develop for 2 years or so.

If we continue with the discipline and talent being added, we don’t need a superstar QB right away. We can be the falcons or the jets, who form a good, solid, deep teams, and then we could splurge for a QB a number of years from now.

at 6??

At 6 we should be taking a player that we can have in the orginzation for a good long time, people saying his age isn’t an issue are ignoring the fact that we’re missing out on about 5-6 years of his playing career.

I understand your point here....

but I think the “fact” that we are missing out on years is as debatable as anything else here. I suppose Carson Palmer still has a career but he hasn’t been the same since the big injury. I concede this is not common, but it happens, Predicting the length of anybody’s pro career is a fools errand. Also, most seem to think that Weeden would be ready to go right out of the gate, while Floes/Tannehill would need to sit for awhile. That would mean we would need to spend more resources on another starting QB. All that being said, I like the idea of bringing in Weeden, but no, not at #6.

that's really my only point of contention

Second round,, late 1st sure,

at #6 a team should be getting a premium talent that they’re gonna have for a good long time. And while you’re right in that trying to predict how long a career will be, there is still ahuge difference between a 23 year old rookie and a guy that’s gonna be 29 when the season starts

Donno if anyone else is watching, but just saw Weeden with the play action/throw to the intermediate dig-route. That has Kyle Shanahan written all over it.

What channel? Is it just in the NFL network?
Yeah it does,

I still don’t like him as a QB because of his age but I have to admit that he has looked very good all week

I’d be happy with 6-7 years if he pans out. As Redskins fans, we haven’t had that kind of QB tenure even.

Agree... he's all you look for in a leader (from a Human Resources POV)...

Not too young (maturity), not too old (health). Married (not too wild). Poised. Strong arm (he can make all NFL throws). Etc.

I’ll take him over a developmental kid anyday… We’ll still grab a low rd QB… but he looks like a starter.

If he is able to start immediately

& can play until he is 35 or 36 then I agree, I am not sure that he can do both. If he is our QB next year tho, I’ll be glad not to see Rex giving the ball away

I like the idea of grabbing him with the 2nd rounder. We’ll able to add to his support with the 6th pick/wherever we are in the 1st.

I think if we really want Weeden

We need to aggressively pursue a tradeback in the first round. We should seek to have two 2nd round picks.

That way if Weeden is projected as a third round pick, we have the luxury of taking him 1/2 way into the 2nd round, instead of reaching at the top of the 2nd round.

From what I read on HH - Weeden could easily go in the first round

and definitely early in the second. He’s probably going to be the #3 QB. So if we don’t want to lose him, we better grab him at 20+.

That is way too high for Weeden

i would not take him before 4th rd,

then you won't come close to getting him, i think he's early 3rd at worst
i dont want him

i am not that impressed with him, he dont respons well to pressure, and he will see some pressure with the Redskins, and i am not talking about the senior bowl, just seen games where he makes bad decisions when pressured, and he seems to overthrow receivers a lot, it is still gonna take him time to get adjusted at least a year and he will be 29 when season starts i will pass

considering how accurate he was this season and this week I don't by the 'overthrow' receivers idea at all.

i really think he’s a day one starter, and with in a year will be a good one.

looking good in practice where you know you aint gonna get hit

in 7 on 7 is one thing but i seen him in games where he overthrow receivers, and did not respond well to pressure. you got to be able to do it with live bullets flying, i dont see where he would be able to come right in and start day 1, not gonna happen

i just don't know what games you are talking about

he only had one game where his completion % was under 60% and just 2 where it was under 66%

I’d be shocked if Weeden beat out Tannehill, especially if he attends the combine, which, from what I’m hearing, his foot will be far enough along to allow him too.

I guess he flopped at the Senior Bowl - the game, anyway

Foles did better.

hopefully, though i'd guess at best he'd be limited to throw

so he won’t get to show his mobility or athletic ability

I agree

With the sixth pick, if Trent Richardson is available, I’m hoping Cincy would want to trade both of their first to jump up and grab him. I know that’s a total fantasy scenario but we would have the 17th and 22nd picks in the first. We could use the 17th to grab either the best OL or the best WR and use the 22nd to trade back and snag a few more picks. I still like Nick Toon due to the bloodlines but he will be available in the third.

Two of Martin, Decastro, Wright/Jeffery and Kirkpatrick(even though I am losing faith in him) would be a great start to a draft.

I would be happy with that, but I’d rather have RGIII if possible.

My point of view is...

If the only knock on him is whether or not he can be the solution for more than a decade, then let’s cross that bridge when we get to it.

We havn't had a solution that has lasted more than 3 years

So I don’t know what is wrong with one that could last 6-7

Weeden is still going to have a learning curve

maybe like a year or 2 i just dont think it is worth it to rely on a guy that will be 29 year old Rookie, John Beck was in the same boat so i will pass

North looks more like Shannys offense.

Getting kind of excited watching Weeden operate our offense… Not gonna lie.

Just gotta say, shout out to Michael Brewster, Mike Adams, Devier Posey, and Boom Herron, donning the silver helmets for the last time.

and... the Burgundy and Gold one soon... at least RT Adams (this one's for you J Brown)
Adams looks sharp

I thought he was strictly a right tackle but he has had an incredible game at LT. I hate Ohio State but I am liking Adams and Brewster. Go Blue!

You better check yoself…

I would be fine with Weeden on our team

Being an OSU fan this would be ideal

Terrible throw

not familiar with his receivers but that was a bad throw

& a bad int. by Weeden
woops haha
In his defense tho

he was getting hit by Curry just as he released it

yea he'll bounce back

he always does

nope threw another
It looks like they've installed the Rex Grossman package
Anyone have a change of heart after the Weeden performance?

positive or negative?

I wouldn't put too much into it one way or the other.

Throwing 8 passes to unfamiliar receivers after a week of “practice” won’t change my opinion of him.

Remember Dalton had the worst Senior Bowl numbers of the 6 QB's

http://www.seniorbowl.com/files/SENIOR11.HTM#GAME.IND

Zippy

Remeber one thing

Before anyone falls in love with Weedon, Shanny hasn’t really seen what Tannehill can do. Sucks that he got hurt and couldn’t play. Foles has looked okay throwing to Criner.

Foles was better

Foles is still a work in progress but he clearly had the better statistical game. I think he is a better pick than Weeden and with the off season and some good coaching on his footwork he could be our long awaited franchise QB.

Lindley. 10 – 21 with 1 INT and 0 TD for 103 yards.
Weeden. 5 – 9 with 2 INT and 0 TD for 56 yards.
Foles. 11 – 15 with 0 INT and 1 TD for 136 yards.

Weeden also had more playing time than Foles. Weeden had the whole 1st Quarter and couldnt score and threw a INT. Then came back in in the 4th to try and bring the South back but insteads throws a horrible INT. Foles had a Quarter and drove the ball down well and put up the only TD to bring us within 1 score.
Foles does needs to work on his footwork and driving off his back foot instead of relying on his big arm but still did great.

you can't base playing time on quarter, it should be based on attempts

but this game is going to have little bearing on the process. Scouts and coaches really only look at it like it can help a player (say Foles) but it can’t hurt them, unless they appear lazy or if like Weeden went into a Phillip Rivers tirade on the sideline.

clarify the wording - Weeden did not go into a tirade, right?

You were saying, “if he had…”?

haha good catch

yeah he did not go into any tirade that I could see. And I did try to look at him. He seemed to try to show leadership on the sideline and talk to the QB coach.

my opinion aint change still a 4th rd prospect IMO

I just would not put my faith in a 29 year old rookie QB when the season start, and i have watched this guy crumble under pressure just like in todays game.

huh??

what are you talking about? and what previous games did he crumble?

when i say crumble the guy dont respond well to pressure

and make bad decisions, just dont see him being a top15 type of starter in the NFL

see i don't see that at all

I think he’s one of the smartest decision makers in the college game and does handle pressure well. This game should have really no bearing on his draft status. What he did this week vastly outweighs the 8 passes from yesterday.

i am not basing my thoughts on this game

I have seen him play during the year where he did not handle the pressure well, you can get away with that in college when you are winning by 21 points but that is not going to be the case in the NFL.

He really isn’t anything special. Think how fast he would have to grow into a elite passer and you realize he just isn’t worth a high pick. We are talking about a guy who has barely ever played under center. These draftniks just like him because he shows so much more maturity than the rest which is because of his upside limitation in the first place.

Weeden looks good if we can not get RG3

Is RG3 going to be in the game ?

RG3 is not a senior.
RGIII is a junior coming out early
Lindley

looks like garbage in practice but not that bad in the game

He's got a great arm
I expect Foles will impress once he takes the field.

Still want to see Tannehill, but no shot of that.

1. RGIII
2. RGIII
3. RGIII
4/5. Tannehill/Foles
6. Weeden

Foles sucks!!!!

Too slow, slow delivery, not accurate

really is that why he threw the only TD and was 11-15 with only one sack
huh?
what ptowny said hahaha
oh i'm trying to figure out what sat.'s game has into any basis on his accuracy.
Seriously?

he was a 3 year starter with a 67% completion rate…how is that inaccurate?

too slow? are you comparing him to RG3? He is plenty mobile for quarterback, just don’t expect qb draws with him.

His delivery is fine too, definitely not as quick as kellen moore’s, but that’s because he’s almost 7-8 inches taller

is the game on now?

what channel? i wanna watch it

nfl network
thank you asmaki

got to watch a little bit of the 3rd. then had to leave. got to see foles play a little bit. i wouldnt mind getting him if we miss rg3

Shanny is a poker player, he benched weeden after he threw a pic, so his stock doesn’t continue to rise, I like it, i’m very eager to see foles play

He is a poker player

Which is why who he is talking too and playing more says nothing about that he is thinking. I believe a read a story that he didn’t spend much time with Cutler before drafting him. With any other coach people would be reading too much into everyone he meets with/plays, for Shanahan…I think people are reading WAY too much into things.

You are correct, he never even interviewed Cutler or flew him to Denver to show him around.

I think a better assessment would be to look at he he doesn't spend much time with.
Which would be Foles
Exactly

Look at the only guy you haven’t seen Shanny talk about, RGIII, he’s our next QB. I think Parks has a good insight that we would go Claiborne if he was there at 6 but right now, I think Shanny is going to go for RGIII, then Casey Hayward in the third, and I also think we’ll pick Christ Rainey in the 4th.

he has talked plenty about RG3 he comes up in all the interviews. He never really talks about Foles they only time he has said Foles name was in listing the Senior bowl QBs
Shanahan - I still remember his first year - went all over the country watching QBs

then didn’t take any of them.

Mike certainly isn't trying to "hide" Weeden

There is so much coming – the combine, pro-days, all the films, etc. And I doubt Shanahan has even decided on the top choices yet. He wants to see as much of all the prospects as he can.

Kirk Cousins

He played in a pro-style offense at MSU correct?

Sorry for the lack of comments the Wireless here is about as reliable as the Redskins offensive line
The North offensive line seems to be handling the South pass rush pretty well
Mike Adams

Has been very, very impressive. I would love for us to be able to draft him.

he’s definatly the real deal at RT. can you imagine Adams at RT paired up with Trent? come on with it

he's had one of the best weeks down here
Isaiah Pead

impressed the most in special teams and running. I would love to get him in 3 rd.

Russell wilson

performs well in any context. all you haters say he’s too small, just think he would be worth a pick at round 4 or 5. shabby wouldn’t spend 4 hrs if not possible. files looked good. weeden to old for me.

I’d like him as a backup, I still don’t think he’s a starter.

Hope this stops the Weedan train. He just isn’t anything special. He only looked better because this Qb crop at the senior bowl was quite bad. Weedan would have to get so much better so quickly that I just don’t see it happening.

Qb options that have a legitimate chance of not getting Shanny fired in 2 years are looking very limited.

don't see how this should stop the Weeden train

he was by far the best QB down here even if you include yesterday’s game, I can’t stress enough the level of stock teams put into this game….zero

That’s the point. Being the best QB down here doesn’t mean much when the group was quite bad. He is only good in comparison.

well Brandon Weeden is above Jake Locker, Blaine Gabbert, Andy Dalton and probably Christian Ponder coming out.
i would guess Shanny puts some stock in those god-awful passes by Weeden.
Best talent

Still can’t coach Mike Maylock told him if he lost the game it would be his coaching. So you see people, it really doesn’t matter who is available we need a better choice maker!

I know

we should draft a football player

Senior Bowl

I thought all the QBs were underwhelming!

Did Shanahan finally beat Frazier?

I don’t have NFL network.

It's hard to judge the QB's in this kind of game...

I’m still big on Foles, I thought he did pretty good considering his line collapsed when he came in, not to mention the multiple false starts…really killed his rhythem.

Weeden looked pretty poised, but he made a couple bad throws…hard to tell if the picks were due to route running or poor reads.

Wilson looked good, quick and accurate outside of the pocket. His height is going to kill his stock though

QBs

Good points, however they were playing some pretty vanilla defensive schemes. The decision making was very suspect as well.

Weeden seriously???

Weeden isn’t a W1 starter. What would be the realistic cost for trading up to #2? Our #1 next year? Will it cost us our #2this year? That’s a lot but I’m all for it for a Qb of that stature. Weeden isn’t in RG3 league!!!

its not that easy it is gonna be expensive to move up to #2 or #3 other teams will be fighting for thoughs spot so the price will go up as well
Then we are going to need

a RT, an interior lineman, a WR, some secondary help, and an ILB without many draft picks

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