Hogs Haven

Great, now you've scared me

Thanks a lot Steve, now I have my fingers crossed Gregg Williams gets a HC job haha

haha sorry

though if GW gets a head coaching job and they need a MLB he could still go after Fletcher. Remember he brought him both to Buffalo and here. My hope is Fletcher doesn’t want to move again and he does seem to like Haslett.

Greggggg Williams has Jonathon Vilma at MLB

Vilma is signed thru 2014

Vilma hasn't been that effective these last two years

he was even giving away time to JoLonn Dunbar (yeah I don’t know who he is either which makes me think they could look for an upgrade). He had his knee scoped during the year and they could make him a cap casualty.

He was a pro bowler in 09 & 10.

Doesn’t mean much consider they screw LFB over each year. I would have to wonder why LFB would want to return to the Skins.

yeah i think 2010 was name recognition and the Saints overall success

2009 he def. deserved it as he had a great year. He’s making less and less tackles, and his pass coverage is really failing. If they think this knee injury is going to be a problem I def. think they could cut him.

London Fletcher

TackleBot 2000

Diesel44 - January 4, 2012 reply

haha

yeah that is my fear that Williams is fed up with Vilma’s nagging knee injuries and wants his guy.

Steve Shoup - January 4, 2012 reply

I don't know about that...

he has all ready won a SB with the rams back in the day, so I think he would more likely stay and retire a redskin…contender or not.

jkitts84 - January 4, 2012 via Android app reply

I am in agreement here. London likes it here, so as long as we are paying him well, he will stay and retire as a Skin

StephanHart - January 4, 2012 reply

i think he should, but there are a few situations that could interest him

It’s not a given, but hopefully Shanny lets Fletcher know how important he is, and that we will be making more changes to further improve (on defense as well).

Steve Shoup - January 4, 2012 reply

why would you commit that much money to LaRon Landry

there is zero benefit for the skins to do that.

I could maybe understand using the Transition tag on Davis, though I wouldn’t be shocked if someone else offered him more money, at which point I’d say they have to turn down. I guess a Franchise tag is possible, but still risky.

If we could keep Davis and Landry happy with Bill's plan, I'd go with that.

Fletcher can have two or three years, because he’s a machine.

We should be looking at getting him onto the coaching staff too.

Stephen Beagrie - January 4, 2012 reply

Tag Dirty 30 and trade him

I think we ought to tag landry and trade him in a deal for Sam Bradford… Resign davis and fletcher!

rdsknfn121 - January 3, 2012 reply

No one will want to trade for LaRon if he's making top 5 money on a one year deal

StephanHart - January 3, 2012 reply

yeah, that sounds perfect

Trade him and Banks straight up for Bradford, then we still have our first round pick.

CJHutch - January 3, 2012 via mobile reply

HAHA

What exactly has Bradford done to deserve us trading for him ?

Flamer - January 3, 2012 reply

He is an excellent young QB

He just had a shitty line, a passing scheme that required him to sit and let plays develop (which caused him to get rocked by DE and linebackers), and he had NO weapons whatsoever. I’d be thrilled to have him in this system. Plus, we’ll be substantially better on offense and can build around his skill set.

mbedner - January 3, 2012 reply

what exactly has

Landry done?
Truthfully, I was kidding. That trade isn’t the least bit plausible. Besides, nobody ’s gonna trade for Landry anyway.

CJHutch - January 4, 2012 via mobile reply

both davis and landry

havent been very good imo. cooley has been out for what seems like forever and davis didnt use that to claim the clear number 1 TE spot. landry hasnt been able to stay healthy i=and cant cover very well. i rather have a good cover guy and a shore tackel then one or 2 big hits a month. so they eiher resign for the money we want to pay them or they can walk

munson21502 - January 3, 2012 reply

I dont know if you actually watched games this year, but Fred Davis was one of the top TEs in the leage, he definitely secured the #1 TE spot from Cooley

StephanHart - January 3, 2012 reply

with the exception of

Being a pot head

Flamer - January 3, 2012 reply

yes but in addition to his off the field issues

I don’t really like the idea of franchising him. For a guy that struggles blocking as much as he does, and simply disappears from some games, it is a big risk. Fred Davis to me is a great 3rd option TE, but if you expect him to be Gronk, Gonzalez, Finley etc. and carry your offense you are in trouble.

TEs are often more a product of their qb than their actual talent I think

Gronk wouldnt be setting any records in DC, that’s for sure, and I can certainly envsion Davis having a monster season with Brady as his qb. From now on Davis is one puff from a year suspension so I’d be fine if we parted ways…

DCrez - January 4, 2012 reply

exactly

No chance he’s worth top 5 money

CJHutch - January 4, 2012 via mobile reply

sure

For maybe 3 or 4 games. But he has never been consistently productive. One of the top tight ends? Sorry, not even close.

CJHutch - January 4, 2012 via mobile reply

Look at the statistics for tight ends this year. Fred Davis is one of the top TEs. Sorry, it's a fact

StephanHart - January 4, 2012 reply

I've seen the stats

Half of his yards came with the game decided. At least, the games he wasn’t invisible ( or suspended). He’s not a Red Zone threat. He might around the 10th best tight end. Might be. If that’s what you meant by one of the best, that’s fine. I just don’t consider that “one of the best”.

CJHutch - January 4, 2012 reply

I wouldn't franchise any of them...

Landry: His play this year (when healthy) doesn’t warrant it!… Let him walk.

Sleepy: If he truly commits to stay away from the reefer… Offer him a contract (with lots of clauses protecting us in case he “lights up” and is suspended for a year!

London: Bring him back… I don’t care if he’s Methuselah… I don’t care if he’s the Spokesman for Depends Adult Diapers®…. I don’t care if he uses Polydent Denture Cleaner… I don’t care if he keeps “regular” thanks to Metamucil Fiber Supplement… etc. etc. etc.

Sexy: Really? Do we need to discuss this?

1x1an - January 3, 2012 reply

the Grossman thing was just to show what the Pack would have to commit to Flynn

:-) I know... I just can't help myself... anytime I can reference "Unleash the Dragon", I do it!

1x1an - January 3, 2012 reply

right on target!

aFan4Life - January 3, 2012 reply

unfortunately we have no one worth franchising

just pay London, no need for a tag

DCrez - January 3, 2012 reply

We need to make it rain for Fletcher

Make it rain like it does in Seattle!

the maroon bird - January 3, 2012 via mobile reply

Maybe we could trade our tags for a draft pick or a player

Because I certainly don’t see anyone on our roster who I would use a tag on

Skins Fan '77 - January 3, 2012 reply

How does it work?

Can you franchise a new player each year? Or can there only be one or two or ??? number of franchise tag players on the roster?

thanks

no one on that list is a franchise tag player though

You franchise an impending free agent,, thats it

so you get one per year

or only one guy can be franchised at a time

that is what i was asking

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franchise_tag

i'm not sure in the new CBA

in the old CBA if you franchised someone and signed him during a certain window then you’d get the tag back for the next year. But if you signed him during another time period the tag was lost for the duration of the contract. I’m pretty sure that has changed though.

Parks -

I think that I threw-up in my mouth and crapped my pants before I read the ‘just kidding’ about tagging Rex.

Franchise Landry. Relatively cheap solution to plugging one of the many potential holes on the roster with no long term commitment. If Landry plays like the beast that he was last year before he got hurt, sign him long term before the season is over. If he doesn’t improve, cut bait at the end of next year and address safety next off season.

WestCoastHokie - January 3, 2012 reply

personally, i think he has missed too much time. he has missed the better part of two seasons. i would look to sign him to a lesser contract- even multiyear. but i liked your reasoning, i wouldnt pull the trigger at that price

i wonder if his body is breaking down from being too roided up?

Only problem with Franchising Landry is

if he does well, then he will expect top five money and he’s not worth a multi-year top five money.

Chilliewil - January 4, 2012 reply

Let him walk

And then we can address that postion in 2013 FA / Draft. One less thing to worry about this year.

WestCoastHokie - January 4, 2012 reply

Why would you have to tag Davis?

Isn’t he a restricted free agent? Worst case, the skins get a 2nd round pick. Landry in the other case is a different story because there are no big time SS in the draft or in free agency.
Besides, i don’t want a repeat performance of Rogers where they gave up on him and he goes somewhere else and becomes a pro bowler.

LA11 - January 3, 2012 reply

no he's not a restricted free agent

players only need 4 years of service time to be unrestricted

simple, you use the Franchise tag as...

leverage in negotiations with LL. When healthy, he is a beast, and I would like to give him the chance to get there. But I also would like protection if he doesn’t.

Fletch is a given, and, thanks Freddy, smoking dope is an advantage, FOR US! He practically has no leg to stand on and will have to sign what is offered.

jgibbsfan1 - January 3, 2012 reply

at this point Landry is praying he gets franchised so I don't see how that is leverage for him

Landry isn’t going to get the mega deal he wants with this injury, so a franchise tag gives him a real nice 1 year pay day, while he builds up his long term value.

I wouldn’t count out Davis just yet, yes the suspension cost him some money and leverage, but he’ll still have suitors. Remember Santonio Holmes was suspended for the first 4 or 5 games last year, still managed a $10 million a year contract (if he is disciplined again he’s likely suspended for a year as well). Vincent Jackson, held out and then was suspended last season yet they Franchised him for $11.4 million (and might do it again). Yes Davis might not sign a mega deal and there could be some escape clauses if he gets caught again, but it will be pretty pricey.

I would franchise Banks

64ShagginWagon - January 3, 2012 reply

Hahahaha

Thats the most sensible idea I’ve heard all day

mbedner - January 3, 2012 reply

Franchise = cut?

HogHunter - January 3, 2012 reply

None of them are worth a fanchise tag..

LaRon- missed 16 games out of the last 32. Let him walk..
LFB- Too big of a cap hit. Give him a 2-3 yr deal around 18 mil with 9-12 guaranteed
Davis- 3 Yr deal w/ incentives out the arse.
Rex- he should be “code reded” in his sleep and never allowed in Redskin park again.

How many more years does Fletcher have?

He has really slowed down.

Laron “Bust” Landry: Like any WR he tries to cover lets say ‘SEE YA!’

Keep Fred.

Elaw6 - January 3, 2012 reply

Slowed down? He leads the league in tackles.

he means he is not as fast on the field- which is true. the decline is noticeable from previous seasons

It is?

I don't see it.

He ran circles around Rocky Mac and the fact that he lead the league in tackles shows you how quick he is to the ball.

I get what you are saying but I hope we have a better barometer than this

He ran circles around Rocky Mac

Just hate Rocky and will get a dig on him any chance I get.

Henson, Blades and Rocky need to get into a convertible and do a Thelma and Louise off of a cliff.

haha Henson, there's a name I haven't thought about in awhile

no i'm with you

i just didn’t want Rocky McIntosh to be the benchmark of well anything

dont mistake what i am saying. he had a great year, is the only real leader on this team and deserves to be paid legitimately. i dont think franchise tag money but i dont think he will hold out for that

but he is definitely slower than in the past. do you really think a 37 year old man is as fast as he was at 32? his speed is more evident when he is in coverage- not running five to ten yards closing on a running back who may even be running towards him

Yes, he's living proof. Even if he did lose speed you can make it up with experience, angles, etc.

do you really think a 37 year old man is as fast as he was at 32?

I’d like you a lot better if you became a fan of capitalization

+1 on the capitalization

StephanHart - January 3, 2012 reply

the only semi-red flags are

Fletcher took plays off this year, which is something he’s never done in the past. And his coverage didn’t seem as proficient as past years. We saw more wide open backs and TE’s who got YAC where in years past they’d be stopped dead in their tracks.

Neither is even close to a reason to move on from Fletcher, but they do bear watching.

Don't franchise Laron.

He’s ALMOST as overrated as DHall, but at least DHall is always healthy.

Let him walk, if his achilles doesn’t blow out before he gets to the parking lot.

iH8dallas - January 3, 2012 via mobile reply

haha

Man I wish DHall's contract was up

He's an expensive one.

His tackling is getting better, especially against the run.

iH8dallas - January 3, 2012 via mobile reply

really you can cut him at any time

He’s scheduled to count $6.8 million against the cap, but his release fee is just $600K, so you’d save $6.2 million. I probably wouldn’t cut him this year, unless they have a deal in place for a replacement (Brandon Carr, Tyrell Thomas?). Instead I’d suffer through another year and sign and draft some young quality depth corners, cut Hall next season and make CB a priority then.