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Ten Yard Fight: Is Washington the Egg McMuffin of Free Agency Destinations?

1. You have to hand it to Mike Shanahan and his staff. Not only did the Redskins coaches work closely with many of the top players coming into the draft down in Mobile, gathering precious intel about potential first and second round prospects, they also managed to squeeze in a loss! I understand that winning and losing means nothing in that game (the Senior Bowl), but I would have actually very much appreciated a win for the sideline featuring the Redskins logos. I have found a few more opportunities for our coaches to continue their current run--here are some other games the Redskins staff has put themselves in position to coach:

  • They'll be coaching the Washington Generals against the Harlem Globetrotters this spring.
  • They'll be coaching the Canadian Men's Soccer team in the upcoming Olympics.
  • They've been asked to "coach up" the Honduras national hockey team for its Olympic qualifier against Norway.
  • Their names were mentioned as the top candidates to take over the Wizards coaching duties, but Ted Leonsis was afraid that the NBA would think they were tanking.

2. All kidding aside...we lose a lot. Wait...it was funnier when the kidding was not cast aside.

3. Overheard on the sidelines after Brandon Weeden threw his second interception: "Oh yeah...he could play for us. Kyle...are we teaching quarterbacks how to throw interceptions? Let's make that an action item when we get home."

4. I am really not in a negative mood...those were just kind of easy pickings. I couldn't be more upbeat about how our offseason is progressing. At the bare minimum, this spring is going to be very exciting. Contrary to my smartass ramblings above, I feel pretty confident that Bruce Allen and Mike Shanahan are going to pick up players who will be able to step in right away and contribute. We have a huge "Help Wanted" sign in the window and we will be in a good spot to pick up guys who can fill the openings that currently exist on our roster.

Star-divide

5. The more I think about it--and I have made two round-trip cross-country flights in the last week and a half so I have thought about it a lot--the more I would just be giddy if we were able to get two starting offensive linemen in the first three rounds. The one part that is hard to foresee is how free agency will used to bolster the offensive line. Last year I lobbied hard to make a run at Marshal Yanda, but the Ravens smartly kept him in the fold there. Chris Chester was a nice consolation, and a similar signing this offseason would provide much-needed depth. Is there any way that any of you can imagine a world where Allen and Shanahan tab both a tackle and a guard/center in the first three rounds of this draft?

6. That brings me to my main question--Do you think top free agents are giving Washington a serious look? I understand that money is always a main factor. We have it and players want it. Traditionally, that has been enough to attract...a certain kind of player. Bruce Allen and Mike Shanahan have done a much better job of not letting their dollars do their talking. In fact, you could argue that the players we have attracted under this regime have been guys primarily focused on finding opportunities to play. I know, nuts, right?

7. We are close--not there yet, but close--to being a few key players away from making a lot of noise in this league. I would like to think that after this draft and a full season of experience for all the first and second year players, the scene prospective free agents will be seeing will be one they will desperately want to join. How much faith are we expecting free agents this year to have in the Shanaplan? How badly do you think guys who are at the top of our target list will feel about inking deals here?

8. Which player (or players) do you think potential free agents are most excited about playing with in Washington? I am reasonably certain that Rex Grossman is no draw. I think guys could genuinely want to play with London Fletcher. I think players could genuinely want to join a defensive front that features Brian Orakpo and Ryan Kerrigan. Who is the offensive player that helps to bring in a key offensive free agent? Does it even matter?

9. I always love hearing that a player's first priority in free agency is to find a place where they have a chance to win. If that were true, there would be 53 players playing for the league minimum in places like New England, Pittsburgh and Green Bay. Of course money plays a huge role in the decisions made by free agents. It seemed that for a while there, money was the only reason we were able to sign anyone. I think it is very fair to suggest that has changed, but let's not gloss over an owner's willingness to shell out whatever it takes to land a coveted player. Thankfully, Dan Snyder has stopped rolling trucks full of money up to players' doors. We do seem to be relying more on a player's interest in playing here and not so much on their interest in getting insanely wealthy overnight.

10. What has changed is our ability to engage in and win a bidding war for a player. Given the new CBA and the amount of money that every team spends on payroll now, as well as the Redskins newfound reluctance to throw tens of millions into guaranteed portions of frontloaded contracts, it is no longer a matter of "Nobody is going to outbid the Redskins." Look at players like Barry Cofield and Stephen Bowen. Even Jabar Gaffney and Chris Chester are examples of guys who came here because they knew they could get on the field and contribute, as opposed to past free agents who saw the day they signed their contract as their last day of real work. Though we still have holes that can be filled by eager free agents looking to make a name for themselves on the field, even starting jobs won't be enough to attract the kinds of players that we need to become true contenders. At that point, we better hope we are a lot closer to winning than we are now (regardless of how close you think we are now). If we aren't, Dan Snyder's money won't be enough to push this roster to the next level, because the only kind of player we'll be able to attract is the same kind of player that got us here in the first place.

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as far as how do we attract offensive players

I think WRs would be attracted to the scheme itself (granted the lack of a QB might nullify this point), but the veteran WRs who have came in here over the past two years has talked in their interviews about how much they love this passing scheme and the routes we use…I can see a WR coming from a run-based team seeing this scheme, and thinking “I could do damage here.” Alas, again this is contingent on a QB being able to adequately run the system.

There have been some articles that support Tiller's contention that NFL football is a passing game. Not only is

it a passing game, but a receiver game. Both elite QBs and WRs are needed to win Super Bowls. Ken’s blog is sort of leaning in that direction. The free agency can attract some very talented WRs to the Redskins, but almost never a top notch QB.

If I'm a receiver and see Rex Grossman and John Beck as the quarterbacks I say fudge that!

I could see offensive linemen and running backs wanting to come here because of Shanahan’s history.

Couldn't agree more

You hit the WR part right on the head!

However, I can see the RB part as a double edged sword. You’ll no doubt produce when given playing time but the inability to predict who Shanny will give the reps to would also be frustrating.

I mentioned this last week, but Bruce Allen does not play around with free agents.

Remember Cullen Jenkins trying to use the Skins as leverage for a bigger contract? Bruce put an end to that very quickly. Besides, Bowen was a much better pickup than Jenkins was for the Eagles, younger and less expensive.

whoa, what's up with the quadruple post?
if you are commenting on the length, don't let Kevin or Parks hear that...

they consider this a short post for me

No, is it just my screen or do you see duplicate posts?
my screen is only showing one.

but the server has been acting up a little

Or maybe I should stop doing shrooms before work.
let's call that "Plan B"
I better lock my door and crawl under the desk for five hours.
insert random Hunter S Thompson quote here....
they're being tested as a drug that can raise your endorphin / serotonin levels

first they legalize medical weed now medical shrooms what next medical crack?

I don't have a problem with stuff that grows on Gods green earth

But I’m pretty sure God never intended us to eat shrooms that grew under shit

That's a philisophical debate best suited for another forum.

However, I think someone here compared Rex Grossman to a bad acid trip or heroin or something.

Maybe if you cleaned the shrooms

….just like eating a nickle i guess? Haven’t like 75% of nickles been eaten and poo-ed out?

Are you saying 75% of ~300million people

are eating nickles that are randomly and accidentally falling into their mouths? Or perhaps it is just a small select few that are eating rolls of nickles for pure enjoyment…

ha

I thought you were about to compare Rexy with shrooms in that they both seem to be made from a pile of shit.

Haha, medical crack

Helps treat chronic employment and home ownership.

I like the new thing going around

“You have to pass a piss test to earn your wellfare, because I have to pass mine to earn it for you”

Try thinking of it this way…

You earned your own welfare, not someone else’s.
I had to write a large check about this time every year for 10 years, now unfortunately I am getting some of it back

Well sir best of luck to you in your quest for a job

However please don’t use the money you get to buy crack. Thats all i’m asking of you.

Thanks, but I am disabled

So I need a cure, then a job.
Just like Peyton Manning-one day you are cruising along making the big bucks doing what you love, and then the next day your nervous system shorts out.
That is why I am paying so close attention to the Manning situation, if anyone has the resources to figure out how to speed up nerve regeneration, he does.
In the meantime, I reserve the right to use what’s left of my savings to buy painkillers (never seemed to harm Favre,s career)

hahahaha touche!

How’d you get that injury?

A deer tick believe it or not

Complication from Lyme disease…neuroborreliosis

that's insane man
"From the sublime to the ridiculous…"

"… is but a step"-Napoleon on the retreat from Russia

I had a deer tick when I was young

Luckly i didn’t contract lyme disease. I heard it is horrible

I worked and played outside almost exclusively

I have been bitten literally 100 times plus.
You have heard correctly, it is a bitch; but there are a lot of things worse in the world… I’ll take this one

They tried that in Florida.

They were going to send all welfare recipients to a clinic for testing, at a cost of $35 to the recipient. The governor, who passed the law, made his money in business. That business: Drug testing clinics…OUCH!

But aside from the corruption it opens a Pandora’s box. They start with welfare, then what? Unemployment, Social Security, pell grants?

that is a big ouch!

See I’d run things totally differently, the cost would be at the govt’s expense….(that money would come from the people who failed to pass) Then yeah the pandoras box i didn’t think of until now. However we pay SS our whole life (and I’ll never see a dime of it) I saw what I put into it last year and was amazed. But I have no problem taking care of G-mas and G-Pas. Especially when they sacrificed so much in their Generation.

Yeah, there was a similar situation with a juvenile judge

And a privatized rehab facility… not good when corruption and capitalism share a bed

Pennsylvania?

I remember reading about the “Kids for Cash” case.

Exactly, well done
I read a lot on Gawker and listen to NPR religiously.
Orakpo Camp

Brian Orakpo will be holding his annual, 4 day 3 night, football camp from July 17-20 at George Mason University, in Fairfax, VA. He will also be holding a 2 day camp in Austin, TX from July 10-11 at St. Michael’s Catholic Academy. Go to www.footballcamps.com

This is a good quick read

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/post/darrell-green-on-the-redskins-and-tradition/2012/01/31/gIQA2ZCteQ_blog.html

Great Read

Very interesting to hear his comparison of the environment then vs the environment now.

Not exactly a good feeling when reading about a negative view of our management that we can’t really change.

Yeah, don't old players usually talk highly of their team?
Wow just went to the Brows site

They have way more people and comments then us….guys we suck. We need more then 50 dudes and 2 girls, lets build the fanbase back up through this site.I don’t want to be outdone by Browns fans who have a way worse recent history and total history than us.

Browns fans are unemployed, thus don't have to worry about getting work done in between comments.
I thought that was Steelers fans?

Hahaha, you worry about getting work done?

Dude, if I don't get my work done, people could die.

No joke.

Although not on short time scales, which means my coffee breaks revolve around the fact that I don’t drink coffee, but do surf the web.

What do you do exactly?

Now you’ve peaked my curiosity.

If he tells you he will have to kill you haha

I am curious too though

Even though I put the nearest major intersection to where I live and work on the HH map last year?

Seriously, you guys can’t do the math and figure it out?

I mean, yeah, it was sensitive, but it’s not like it didn’t get plastered everywhere last year on the news.

Pretty sure blog participation is NOT an indicator of the strength of a fanbase

And, if anything, I think less is more on this site. I’d prefer to have concise, useful conversation over a flood of inane, senseless comments from the masses

Besides...

Browns fans have to talk in the off-season so they can build up their excuses for the season.

And we do things differently?
I blame last season on Rex Grossman.

I don’t know if I have clearly expressed how much I hate Rex Grossman. My dad didn’t renew his season tickets, after 50 years, because of REX GROSSMAN.

I don’t wish harm on him, however I never want to see him in a Redskins uniform again.

Neither do I, but our offseason achievements were greater than those during the season long before Rex came to DC

AHHSYNGTJKTEDGKNTYINTRDGJRESHJ!!!

No you are correct. But we need new fans more fans loyal fans in this area. When I go out I want

to see the majority of Redskins fans instead I see steelers cowboys and giants fans. When I find a Redskin fan its like “woah where have you been” we Skins fans are an endangered species and we need to start repopulating. Now we can either all start making babies iH8 I believe you’ve already started….but chances are kids will Rebel against our wishes and root for a team thats good. So we need to brain wash them, much like how I became a fan. I watch film of the “Glory Days” on the NFL network just so I could pretend we were good. I set the competition level at Rookie in Madden so I could win games by huge amouts, and I realized that no Cowboys fan has ever even been to Dallas….did I want to be the Giant fan who never went to New York? The Steeler fan who actually thought those buildings in Pittsburgh were real? No, everyone whos ever been there knows they are cardboard cut outs.

I'm a loner

Here in Ohio. When I see a Redskins fan or even somebody wearing Redskins gear, I go out of my way to say “Hail to the Redskins, BABAAY!!”

I always say, it takes a loyal fan to stay on board and I’m not going anywhere!

HAha, well remember that DC much more of a transient city than Pitt or Dallas, or many other American cities for that matter

So, by nature, we are going to have a diverse population, and a diverse NFL population specifically. Cities like Dallas and Pittsburgh are filled with people who were born there and never left, and those cities have far fewer outsiders than a place like DC or NY.

Also, when you lose consistently, your rabid fanbase becomes much more muted

Why is it that Steelers and Cowboys fans are all over the place?

Because they are bandwagon losers.

+1 they are HUGE bandwagon franchises
D.C. Cowboys fans are almost always bandwagon

Steelers fans are people that usually migrated out of Pittsburgh and down to DC (I would to if I had to if I was born in that crap-shack of a town).

TV baby

The NFL-AFL merger was in 1970. If you look at the dominant teams of the ’70’s it was the Steelers and the Cowboys. Thus, they developed a national following early on that has persisted.

So yes, it’s about bandwagon fans, just so happens that the first bandwagon fans developed some degree of loyalty that has endured.

Very true

Also, when you lose consistently, your rabid fanbase becomes much more muted.

^Couldn’t echo this statement enough. Which makes it all the prettier when we do right this ship!

+1 I can't wait until opposing fans are ashamed enough to leave their jerseys at home when they go to FedEx to sneak a peak at their team getting stomped by the Redskins
I just can't wait

to beat Dallas again.

I only play Madden to KILL the Cowboys on Rookie level. I beat the Dallas Stars 5 times a week in NHL ’12 by over 10 goals… never gets old.

Ready to do it again in real life!

This is a serious question.

Has anyone ever met a Cowboys fan that was from the Dallas area, or had even a semblance of a post HS education?

I actually know one Dallas fan who exceeds expectations

She’s from Dallas, graduate degree, loves everything about Texas….in fact I’m not sure why she’s lives in the DC area.

Most that I know are complete idiots, who don't even know about their team.

They’re holdovers from the triplet era and still think Champ Bailey plays for the Skins.

She wants a job?
two, both are women

And both are extremely attractive and intelligent…

I still can’t figure it out, very bizarre

Is she the girl crying on that NFL Network commercial

where it says Romolicious?

haha +1

best commercial on tv

My favorite is the fat Giants fan on the treadmill
one giant step

he’s hilarious

I've yet to meet a Dallas fan in DC that was actually from Texas.

Or, had even visited Texas.

In high school one of my best friends moved here from Dallas

He is the only person I knew to actually be a genuine Cowboys fan. He’s in college now.

The closest thing I can come to ...

was my best friend growing up (and still a very good friend although we only see each other once or twice a year). He has never been to Texas but his father was a big Cowboys fan…..and he is a great fan, very knowledgeable about the game and his team all the way back to it’s conception. He still has scrapbooks of newspaper articles he clipped from when we were kids, and this is the Staubach/Dorsett era.

Consistently winning will bring them back

At which point true fans will call them bandwagoners!

Agreed

If you can stomach it look at the comments at the Post sometime. Even when things get a little silly here it’s nothing compared to the mouth-breathing weirdos you see commenting there. I prefer this place as it is.

whats wrong with mouth-breathing?
Have you read their comments?

I’ve been on a bunch of the other sites on SB Nation checking out their feelings on the draft and free agency…it is completely obvious that the Redskins fans on HogsHaven are much more informed on what’s going on, and the football related conversations come from people who understand the game. We go through streaks where H8 predicts a perfect season or a large group gets behind Matt Flynn (both are equally ridiculous), but in general, we have some of the best fans in the league.

thats because most of us are not from a DC school system

Sorry but DC does have a horrible school system. But we are from Maryland Virginia Southern Penn, Easter WV and sometimes as far as North Carolina school systems all which routinely do well in education. I don’t know who DE roots for…?

stop that train right there

product of DCPS is here (granted, you’re largely right but I’m the exception around here it seems)

I did not mean to offend

And I do apologize. However when DC scores 52 in the nation behind Puerto Rico I am concerned about what those kids are learning

I was lucky I got to go to one of the very few

decent schools left at the time. It’s truly a sad thing when people that don’t even live close to the city have heard about the reputation, but what pisses me off is that no one has come up with a plan to correct it

No worries, no offense taken.

Take the dumb kids out of school and force them to clean the trash on the side of the road to collect a welfare check for the rest of their lives

That’ll teach them to not be a dumb gangster

Actually I have a similar plan for the world

We’re over populated: Yes
The World is Dirty: Yes
People are Dumb: Yes (see Pittsburgh and Dallas)
People commit Crimes: Yes

If you agree with one of these answers than I have the answer for you.
Step 1 – IQ test every child every year If he falls below a certain level he or she must go to an all boys / girl boarding school. Once they are over 100 then they can mingle with people of the opposite sex.

Step 2 – If you fail to receive a 100 after your high school is completed you are then sterilized. (Stupid people make stupid babies). Were watering down our species what happened to the strongest survives?

Step 3 – Criminals will be forced to clean the world all the roads all the woods all the streams, on a weekly basis. They will also be sterilized and forced to make government buildings roads and furniture.

Step 4 – Happy clean smarter world cleansed of Pittsburgh and Cowboy fans everywhere.

No Nazi Germany type plans there.
That is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard in my life

you creepy eugenics-loving weirdo, you.

hahahahaha

This was my plan in my Geoscience class in College I actually recieved an A. The assignment was find a way to clean up the world and reduce population and crime….i think this would work

It would work in theory

but no society would subscribe to that unless forced to at the barrel of a gun…

Exactly

It may work in a very small culture….say 600 people society like prison in a foreign land…..to bad there isn’t another Australia. What a weird place that is too, the people there (the white people) not the aborigines were all rapist and murders and total wack jobs….look where they are now. One of the nicest places in the world

You are a strange man, jbh1190

I’d be interested in knowing your political leanings…

I'll take a wild guess and say he leans a bit to the right.
actually myself I am very split on the situation.

I don’t agree with the policies on either side. I hate the way this government is run. I’m not affriad to talk about my beliefs. I did vote for Obama, but I didn’t choose him because he’s the savior for our country I chose him because he’s a hell of a lot better the McCain Palin.

Then again the flip flopping between left and right is what I think is ruining the country. We need more politicians middle left and middle right not far left and far right.

Yeah, it's a punch in the face or a kick in the balls.

Pick your poison.

never heard of it like that before. I'm going to use that if its ok by you
Republicans are great if your a multi-millionaire....

Democrats are fine if all you own is what you wear…
but neither one is really right right and neither one is fair….
Frank Zappa

Ah, noted and decorated political scientist, Frank Zappa.

What would be do without musicians who think they are smarter than they actually are?

It's not so much that we need a middle left and a middle right,

a diversity of ideas is ideal. We need more compromise, which is far different from moderation.

I think also limiting terms of senators and congress members would help.

That way they can focus on the present and not worry about the next election.

Hahahaha. That is great in theory, but...

…good luck convincing senators and congressmen to vote on that bill…

Plus, it would be a pain in the ass to have the large Committees change hands so frequently

It may be easy when you have the agriculture committee chairman change hands (just an example, I don’t know very little about farming needs), but if say the Financial Services or Homeland Security Committee changed chairmen and committee members every 6 years, that could be an issue.

Regardless, I think it is a great idea to have term limits, but it just isn’t politically feasible.

Or getting them to vote on making it illegal for them to insider trade.
Is there a way to not have a corrupt government?
Only through total anarchy
Is there a way to not have a corrupt government?

Which I wouldn’t advise…

That one is actually being voted on in the Senate

Either yesterday or today, in fact. Actually it was more of a preliminary vote to see if they should vote on it (some of their administrative practices make no sense)… I’ve heard there is some momentum to get that pushed through.

I would hope so.
But what he is saying can be put in both camps quite frankly

asking people to verify that their welfare checks through pee testing is definitely something that has come out of the Right as an idea. But forced eugenics specifically for environmental preservation is a concept out of the far Left.

You have to remember, the political spectrum isn’t so much a linear line as it is a loop where both side of crazy meet at a specific point in the circle…

I am also not in favor of lawyers being allowed to be senators....

Lawyers make money off of peoples bad choices.

I really think Businessmen should be running the Govt….because it really is a business.

Trump would have had the economy turned around by now

Because he’s a business man. Sounds crazy, but I’m right there with you on that.

Woah, Goethe would be proud of that statement
Actually...

the world isn’t overpopulated at all.

You could fit half the world’s population in an area the size of Spain.

would they fit like sardines or would they fit like everyone has a house

also you have to have room to grow crops and raise animals

Or give each person in the world an acre of land in Austrailia

It’s not some much the different configurations and placement of people that is the concern, it’s the limited number of resources that the population is fighting over…

hooooly shit that's a gross over generalization
Well

We recognize that we have a major QB issue for starters…. lol

I believe this belongs here
I’d prefer to have concise, useful conversation over a flood of inane, senseless comments from the masses
You wouldn't believe the people I have to deal with every single day

That somehow believe Colt McCoy is the second best QB in the AFC North. I have never been able to say much as I would want McCoy over Rex but WOW.

hahahaha. we do need a QB but all the talk does get mindless.
HA
Overheard on the sidelines after Brandon Weeden threw his second interception: “Oh yeah…he could play for us. Kyle…are we teaching quarterbacks how to throw interceptions? Let’s make that an action item when we get home.”
When Mike was in Denver I saw a thing about Jay Cutler

Mike prefers his QBs to have a gunslinger mentality to get the ball moving down field. Jay Cutler I believe led the league in INTs that year. It may of been the year before he realized he had diabetes too.

Apparently he wasn't checking his blood sugar, and checking it often...

Diabetes is not a joke

unless your paula deen

We're cookin with Diabetes, ya'll!

God she’s terrible

How does she consume that much butter?

I bought her pots and pan set for my house and the butter warmer is bigger than the vegetable pot.

It's the 2 pack of cigarette habit that balances out her butter intake.

We’re waiting for Tyler Wilson;)

i think we are more like the 20 dollar footlong

we get pounded by soooo many greedy FA coming here for just a pay check. i like the the idea of danny boy finaly going straight! i just hope he dont go back out on the corner if we have another bad season…

THe ONLY reason to re-sign Rex....
3. Overheard on the sidelines after Brandon Weeden threw his second interception: “Oh yeah…he could play for us. Kyle…are we teaching quarterbacks how to throw interceptions? Let’s make that an action item when we get home.”

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