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5 months ago: TEMPE, AZ - DECEMBER 30: Quarterback Landry Jones #12 of the Oklahoma Sooners warms up before the Insight Bowl against the Iowa Hawkeyes at Sun Devil Stadium on December 30, 2011 in Tempe, Arizona. (Photo by Christian Petersen/Getty Images)
Per ESPN's Joe Schad, Oklahoma quarterback, Landry Jones, is set to return to Oklahoma for his senior year. Jones was consider a Top 10 draft prospect coming in to 2011, but dropped like a rock over the course of the 2011 season. Many experts and analyst felt as if Jones was not even a 1st round prospect by the end of his junior year, which culminated with an Insight Bowl win over Iowa. Oklahoma will be one of the favorites for the 2012 national title, along with USC where Matt Barkley also chose to return to college.
Jones returning to OU likely solidifies Texas A&M QB, Ryan Tannehill as the third best QB prospect in the 2012 draft.
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Is someone at Tiller's house to keep all sharp things out of reach?
I apologize if I am mistaking this, but wasn’t he pushing hard for Landry to come to DC?
Ken Meringolo - January 5, 2012
Tiller will probably be happier when PSU finally names their coach, my guess Bill O'Brien
Steve Shoup - January 5, 2012
Guaranteed
Its not OBrien, and yes, I’m much more concerned with that now
Tiller56 - January 5, 2012
Who is your guess? Chris Peterson? O wait...
Parks Smith - January 5, 2012
I already told you
Tiller56 - January 5, 2012
First you told me Peterson was a done deal then he signed a mega-deal with Boise State...
Then I was assuming you were high on some mystic Connecticut mushroom when you gave me four of the most ridiculous names ever.
Parks Smith - January 5, 2012
No more clues for you
Tiller56 - January 5, 2012
Haha why won't you just say a name?
You’ve already been wrong, why should I believe you no with the list of guys?
Parks Smith - January 5, 2012
I gave you the 4 I was told
I don’t know which one it is, but it’s one of the 4 I told you
Tiller56 - January 5, 2012
who then if not O'Brien??
Roman? I can’t imagine they go that direction.
Steve Shoup - January 5, 2012
I will admit one of those names I could see an EXTREMELY remote possibility
But even more remote than Kevin’s chances of growing a mustache
Parks Smith - January 5, 2012
We'll see
Tiller56 - January 5, 2012
Don't bet against him
Kevin’s been shaving several times a day for just such an opportunity
Bullet Nation in Exile - January 6, 2012
Heard a bad joke today. Appologies in advance.
On a scale of t Jerry Sandusky to Casey Anthony, how much do you like kids?
Diesel44 - January 5, 2012
Where does
Michael Jackson fit in on that scale…
UkRedskin - January 5, 2012
You guarantee it's not Bill O'Brien?
Guess what? You’re wrong again. The new head coach at Peado State University is in fact Bill O’Brien.
Sorry Crying Lion.
Diesel44 - January 5, 2012
I guarantee that this guarantee is wrong
Parks Smith - January 5, 2012
I have him on suicide watch
irishgoon - January 5, 2012
After Mallet didn't go in the first round he disappeared for about a month. Then the Penn State incident, this may be it.
Parks Smith - January 5, 2012
I even took his shoelaces
irishgoon - January 5, 2012
That's a lie, everyone knows Tiller is a velcro man
Parks Smith - January 5, 2012
HAHA!
Andrew DeFrank - January 5, 2012
I got UGGS for Christmas
And they actually have laces, ala the ones Brady wears
Tiller56 - January 5, 2012
Tiller must be the most depressed man
on Earth right now.
UkRedskin - January 5, 2012
him or Buddy Bell (Jones' backup)
Steve Shoup - January 5, 2012
hell... Bell may be starting by the Notre Dame game, haha
Parks Smith - January 5, 2012
Blake Bell
Smart move by Jones but considering his last 4 starts (1 TD & 6 INTs) and the fact that he is pulled in the redzone for Blake Bell already…He might not even win the job to start the season,
Diesel44 - January 5, 2012
haha my bad
yeah I’m sure Jones will have the starting job, but his leash is going to be super short and even if he is successful, Bell will get a fair amount of time.
Steve Shoup - January 5, 2012
Bell already gets a fair amount of time.
He’s Tebow in the redzone.
Reedskin - January 5, 2012
And I said this...
before I saw Parks’ “Chris Leak” reference below. Spooky.
Reedskin - January 5, 2012
i probably should have been more clear
I meant more than what Bell already does play. And having Bell pass more.
Steve Shoup - January 5, 2012
I believe he pronounces it
“Erf”
SkinsOsTerps - January 5, 2012
I'm fine guys
Tiller56 - January 5, 2012
HE LIVES!
UkRedskin - January 5, 2012
It's a little tense right now
Tiller56 - January 5, 2012
how did you get out?!
irishgoon - January 5, 2012
He gets an hour on the desktop on Thursdays
Parks Smith - January 5, 2012
if we draft Tannehill, i fear for the safety of the forum
irishgoon - January 5, 2012
If we draft Tannehill
Im blowing shit up
Tiller56 - January 5, 2012
got my shelter already built and stocked with Guiness
irishgoon - January 5, 2012
Guinness rather
irishgoon - January 5, 2012
smart man
Steve Shoup - January 5, 2012
Like Kerrigan last year?
As suggested by me, that worked out pretty good eh? And how did that transition to OLB go eh?
Diesel44 - January 5, 2012
+91
Parks Smith - January 5, 2012
I got hammered for saying we should draft Kerrigan last November by one member in particular
Parks Smith - January 5, 2012
did he buy you a drink first?
irishgoon - January 5, 2012
Check this out from last year
Here’s the full Senior Bowl Preview from last year, it’s interesting to look back: http://www.hogshaven.com/2011/1/25/1955201/redskins-senior-bowl-prospect-ryan-kerrigan-olb-purdue#57771354
Parks Smith - January 5, 2012
heh I wouldn't antagonize Tiller too much
irishgoon - January 5, 2012
not too worried about it, I was completely wrong about Cam Newton
Parks Smith - January 5, 2012
I was too, but if they kep caliing designed QB runs, he won't be around much longer
irishgoon - January 5, 2012
I was right on Cam.
He was just better than everyone else in college.
iH8dallas - January 5, 2012 via mobile
I liked Cam's skill set but I thought it would take him a few years to develop..
I was wrong too.
Diesel44 - January 5, 2012
yeah i never thought he could be a day 1 guy and lead a team
Steve Shoup - January 5, 2012
Ha-Ha
I’m not the one who looks dumb in an archive this time.
iH8dallas - January 5, 2012 via mobile
This draft class has gotten extremely mediocre at the QB position after the 1st two are off the board
ENsDad27 - January 5, 2012
Only because of Barkley... not Jones
Parks Smith - January 5, 2012
Jones might have slipped down from where he was at the beginning of the year
but he was still considered a late 1st/early 2nd talent. Completely agree about Barkley but IMHO Tannehill is the only QB worth investing anything higher than a 4th rd. pick on. Disagree with Steve on both Weeden & Foles, Weeden in my mind has maxed out physically & will not make the jump to NFL starter & Foles is just to erratic to take a chance on.
ENsDad27 - January 5, 2012
Where would you take Tannehill
les boulez bomber - January 5, 2012
Good question....
I think that he is a 2nd round talent type of player, similar to Ponder last year, but if you think he can be the QB for your team you might have to reach & take him early or risk him not being there later. If I were GM (& Redskin Nation can be thankful that I’m not) I would not take him at six even if both Luck & RGIII were off the board. I would try & trade back & failing that I would take Jonathan Martin & hope that Tannehill is there in the 2nd.
ENsDad27 - January 6, 2012
He is not a #6 pick for sure
les boulez bomber - January 6, 2012
My concern doesn't stem from us wanting Jones (I doubt we did)
but rather that this further shrinks supply and thus increases the value of any other QBs in the draft we might have been targeting.
Some team was going to take a shot on Jones, and now that team is looking at our guy – whoever that may be.
SCSkin21 - January 5, 2012
Parks- where do you think Tannehill will go ... should go?
les boulez bomber - January 5, 2012
Should go in the 2nd, will go 15-20 in the first
Parks Smith - January 5, 2012
lower 2nd I hope
in the teens is high for someone who was a WR three seasons ago
One more question…last year, it was repeated often not to reach for a QB bec this year’s crop is much better. and now I am hearing the same thing, don’t reach bec next year’s crop is much better…2012 is a below average year…yada yada yada
what gives?
les boulez bomber - January 5, 2012
Guys regress, people go back to school it's not an exact science
I don’t think everyone was advertising 2012 as a better class, just the chance to get Andrew Luck. Some had highly rated back up plans, Tiller with Jones in the Top 10 for example. If I’m looking at last year’s “projections”:
Luck: Just as good as advertised
Barkley: better than advertised
RG3: WAY better than advertised (3rd/4th round prospect coming into the season IMO)
Tannehill: Better than advertised
Jones/Cousins/Foles: Worse than advertised
Weeden: Better than advertised.
Parks Smith - January 5, 2012
yeah but by the same token Griffin wasn't even a consideration before the season and Tannehill, Foles and Weeden have all moved up in my book as well
Steve Shoup - January 5, 2012
Landry Jones was never a consideration for the Redskins
Chris Russell@Russellmania980 As for Landry Jones going back to Oklahoma, he didn’t have a lot of support in #Redskins organization from what I was told, so no big deal.
Not my “go to” guy but this makes sense considering Jone’s skill set (or lack there of)
Diesel44 - January 5, 2012
I agree that it was Jones wisest move to return for one more year
& he is not the QB that I was hoping would wearing B&G next year. My point was that this class after Luck, Griffin & Tannehill (maybe) is mediocre at best & IMHO not very good.
ENsDad27 - January 5, 2012
I wonder if it was b/c he was named after Tom Landry
where the lack of consideration fell into place….
Big Spoon - January 5, 2012
lies
You cant believe anything you read dummy its all speculation. Shanny keeps is lips shut tight and is always sending out false information. So you cant really say that the redskins didnt have interest because nobody know if they do but them.
squigums - January 5, 2012
well if Shanny was considering him he probably needs to hang them up since Jones is a horrible fit for Washington
Steve Shoup - January 5, 2012
How ???
He is everything Shanny loves in a QB. He has the size, the big arm, very accurate in the pocket and out, can make every throw in the book, and is mobile. He might not be RG3 mobile but he can still make plays outside the pocket. SO he had a couple bad games after he lost his best WR. who wouldnt? his other receivers are not the greatest.
squigums - January 5, 2012
Jones does not have pocket awareness apparently
les boulez bomber - January 5, 2012
He does though
You cant judge a college prospect from just 4 games. In 3 years as a QB for the sooners he played fantastic showing great pocket awareness then he has a couple bad games were he didnt really do bad except that baylor and Oklahoma state game that was bad.
squigums - January 5, 2012
I am sharing what I heard was his knock
I have never seen him play.
Here is his scouting report:
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/college_player_scouting_report.html&player=36589
les boulez bomber - January 5, 2012
Well
That is funny cuz if you read other scouting reports about half of the other reports say the opposite of some of his cons
squigums - January 5, 2012
OK- I picked one voice. He is pretty good- no guarantees
I have never seen him play. I dont think he is coming out any ways.
les boulez bomber - January 5, 2012
he was bad in the Bowl game as well, he was bad against Texas A&M and Iowa State as well
he really struggled without Broyles wich is pretty telling.
Steve Shoup - January 5, 2012
Jones is not an accurate QB
his completion percentage is artificially high given the number of screen passes he throws.
He is slow, with mediocre pocket presence, not accurate, doesn’t read defenses well, and not a great decision maker. Kenny Stills is one of the brightest young receiver prospects in college football.
Steve Shoup - January 5, 2012
We only name call around these parts if we like each other.
Not really a reach to say that the REDSKINS didn’t have an interest in a guy that was COMPLETELY wrong for their system. Notice how I didn’t call you a name?
Diesel44 - January 5, 2012
srry
Sorry i didnt mean it in a bad way and he is a perfect fit for our system.
http://www.hogshaven.com/2011/7/21/2286447/oklahomas-landry-jones-an-ideal-fit-for-the-redskins-in-2012
squigums - January 5, 2012
Now that is funny..
That’s one of Tiller’s masterpieces, claiming that Jones is an ideal fit for our system. He’s not even an ideal fit for Oklahoma’s pass friendly spread.
Diesel44 - January 5, 2012
lol
squigums - January 5, 2012
wow that is really funny
Steve Shoup - January 5, 2012
Jones really didn't have a choice after he got exposed when Broyles went down with injury
He needs to hope Stoops doesn’t want to see more Buddy Bell in the lineup next year.
Steve Shoup - January 5, 2012
Exactly, Diesel and I were talking about that during the bowl game. Jones may get Chris Leaked
Parks Smith - January 5, 2012
he is already starting to
and he’s really lucky that Archie Bradley chose baseball
Steve Shoup - January 5, 2012
He will be Ok.s starter next season
otherwise Stoops would have told him to enter the draft
ENsDad27 - January 5, 2012
I think he'll be the starter, but he might not be that by the end of the year if he doesn't improve
Steve Shoup - January 5, 2012
I agree
isn’t Drew Allen the back up tho
ENsDad27 - January 5, 2012
I actually wouldn't be surprised to see Allen transfer now that Jones is back
he might have had a shot at the starting job this year b/c he’s a year older, and had been the primary backup for two years (plus a redshirt year). Now though the best he’ll do is be a starter for a single year. And with another year in the system I’m sure Bell will catch up to him.
Steve Shoup - January 5, 2012
Sorry
while I understand most of your concerns with Jones, the fact that they bring in Bell on goal line situations is not a knock on Jones. Tiller is right on this one
Redskin44 - January 5, 2012
Right on what? That we should draft him in the Top 5, b/c that's the flag that has been waiving since last April
Parks Smith - January 5, 2012
you don't think the fact Jones only completes 50% of his redzone passes has something to do with that?
OK State’s backup Clint Chelf was a highly rated dual threat QB in high school, you don’t see them need to put him in to get TD’s inside the Red Zone.
I don’t think it is the ‘biggest’ black mark on Jones, but it doesn’t help his case.
Steve Shoup - January 5, 2012
No I don't
I think its his lack of mobility, and the lack of a big back
Redskin44 - January 5, 2012
i think those play into it
but for instance in the Bowl game on any 3rd and short situation (just about anywhere on the field) they seemed bring Bell in. I mean those are the most important plays of the game and they feel that it is safer to run for it than put it in their ’star’s’ hands. that does tell me a lot.
Steve Shoup - January 5, 2012
It just hit me that we might see the return of Jason Campbell... Anybody agree?
Chillz - January 5, 2012 via mobile
Not a chance.
But heard where Derek Anderson could be a bridge (instead of Rex) for Tannehill.
Diesel44 - January 5, 2012
Derek Anderson?
Ugh, that’s gross. If we happen to draft Tannehill I hope we just start him right away.
And send Rex to Pakistan.
iH8dallas - January 5, 2012 via mobile
Tannehill isn't ready
I couldn’t see them going with a guy like that until we were eliminated from the playoffs.
Diesel44 - January 5, 2012
That's what sucks.
We all assume we’re not making the playoffs next year.
The QB problem is this: Let’s say a Derek Anderson is brought in to ‘bridge’ to a rookie it will be a disaster.
We all want to see the rookie. The media will ask Shanny everyday about it and boos and chants will happen whenever the bridge screws up.
I can’t think of one instance of a season when there was a bridge guy and it ended well.
iH8dallas - January 5, 2012 via mobile
Well there is a chance
STL is crazy not to draft RG3 at #2
and trade either him or Bradford (whichever they dont want) for multiple picks
les boulez bomber - January 5, 2012
There is a reason why those people boo and asking questions aren't in Shanny's position.
Tannehill is the most raw out of any of the top 3 round prospects. Unless he lights it up like no other in the preseason then there is no way he should start.
Foles could MAAAAYBE start opening day (it wouldn’t be pretty, think Gabbert-esqe), Cousins definitely can’t, Weeden probably, RG3 maybe, Luck definitely.
Parks Smith - January 5, 2012
Well in 2005 Brunell was supposed to be the bridge to Campbell and we ended up making the playoffs
in 2007 everyone wanted the rookie Brady Quinn and Derek Anderson led them to the playoffs as well. So it isn’t unheard of, unfortunately we have a pretty tough schedule this year, so it could be a lot tougher.
Steve Shoup - January 5, 2012
oh god no keep rex
les boulez bomber - January 5, 2012
ugh, that's a downgrade
we’d be better off with Grossman
aFan4Life - January 6, 2012
Yes
there is a an outside chance IMO. he’s the best proven FA on the market.
Redskin44 - January 5, 2012
He is horrible
les boulez bomber - January 5, 2012
Anderson, right? Yeah, he is bad
les boulez bomber - January 5, 2012
pretty sure he is talking about Campbell
Steve Shoup - January 5, 2012
JC will retire before returning here
les boulez bomber - January 5, 2012
Yes
talking about campbell. he’ll need a job and we’ll need a caretaker. IF orton is off the market, he is the best available with experience
Redskin44 - January 5, 2012
i'd love to bring Campbell back, but I think Shanny burnt that bridge
and he doesn’t seem like the kinda guy who easily admits his mistakes.
Steve Shoup - January 5, 2012
You think ;-)
les boulez bomber - January 5, 2012
yes but why would he come back here
after the way he was jerked around?
aFan4Life - January 6, 2012
Man I'm glad I am not the one with the daunting task of making a decision on who we should pick in the first
if we trade up or back. To hell with that
skinaholic - January 5, 2012
I'd def take Campbell over Anderson.
From what I hear Rex and Beck will be gone, thank God, so were def going to bring in a vet Qb. Who?? Bring back JC.
Chillz - January 5, 2012 via mobile
Maybe we could bring back CR22 to shore up the secondary.
iH8dallas - January 5, 2012 via mobile
Rogers would probably rather be kicked in the balls by every soccer player in Europe then come back to DC.
Parks Smith - January 5, 2012
though he might come back if every soccer player got to kick Shanny in the balls
Steve Shoup - January 5, 2012
Nah, not before he had them kick D. Hall's balls
You know there has got to be some angst there.
willster - January 5, 2012
i don't remember there being many ill feelings between them
Steve Shoup - January 5, 2012
DHall got his $$$
Parks Smith - January 5, 2012
Not to mention playing in the shadow of a diva like Hall
I might be mistaken, but I thought he expressed some resentment towards playing in the shadow of Hall and not getting his due for his coverage abilities (dropsies aside, we know now what the problem was…)
willster - January 5, 2012
It was a smart move by Jones
the last 5 games killed his stock. Although its going to be a crowded QB market next year if Brey. Wilson, and Murray (I think they will only only be a Jrs mext year) decide to come out.
Redskin44 - January 5, 2012
Wilson is a senior next year, Bray and Murray are the two juniors
Jones could also get passed by Geno Smith, E.J. Manuel, Brock Oswieler (if he doesn’t come out now this year), and if another junior rises.
Steve Shoup - January 5, 2012
The game last night was sick
Breaking a BCS scoring record has got to boost your stock a little bit right? I mean, stepping up in big games is the difference between good and great QB’s. Smith stepped up big time.
- from the SB Nation write up
He’ll be interesting to watch next year, that’s for sure.
willster - January 5, 2012
Who QBs for Washington Huskies. He looked good for someone I half watched
les boulez bomber - January 5, 2012
Price, he'd also be eligible to come out next year
and if he has a huge year he could.
Steve Shoup - January 5, 2012
Thanks!
les boulez bomber - January 5, 2012
Problem with Price is he might be a tad under 6'.
Reminds me of Russell Wilson.
Diesel44 - January 5, 2012
So is Drew Brees
Is he a winner, accurate, mobile, passionate, studious…?
les boulez bomber - January 5, 2012
God I'm so sick of this everytime mentions someone at 6'
A 6 foot QB isn’t ideal man, that’s all
Parks Smith - January 5, 2012
Not ideal means he will not be a top 20 pick, which is fine. It does not mean he can not be a top QB in this league.
Linemen are 6’5- 6’6…can any QB really see over their line?
My point is simply that within reason (like 6’0), height is over rated on its own. But if you tell me he is 6’0 180lbs, then yeah, we have a problem Houston
les boulez bomber - January 5, 2012
When someone says that they are concerned a QB isn't 6'0 feet tall, they are well aware that ONE elite QB that height
Would you like Diesel to list every QB that is under 6’0 and hasn’t worked out?
Think about what you just said for a second…… 1….2….3….
Ok, now… when the ball is snapped, do linemen stand up as straight as they possibly can? Who stands taller the QB or the linemen?
Parks Smith - January 5, 2012
It only takes one to prove it isn't a requirement
Accuracy is a requirement
Height is nice. And I am not diminishing it.
Kyle was asked this very question this year. And his reply is that NFL quarterbacks throw in passing lanes. We are not designing plays hoping our QB can see over the line.
I think there is a lot going on in the pocket, hands up, people jumping, and both sides are trying to get under the pads and stand the person up.
So NO, it is not necessary to be 6’4 to play QB in the NFL. 6’0 is proven to be tall enough. It is not ideal for sure nor is it deal breaker
les boulez bomber - January 5, 2012
No one is saying it's a requirement, we're saying given a choice you'd rather have a 6'5 prospect then a 5'11 one
Given that they both have similar talent levels.
You sidestepped your totally idiotic statement of no QB being able to see over the line. Do you see how that is possible now?
Parks Smith - January 6, 2012
Hey Parks quit attacking me personally- it's getting old
My remarks were to this comment
I simply reminded him it is the same height as Drew Brees who we all recognize as an elite QB
With regards to my “idiotic” statement. Screw you. A picture of an offensive line crouching does not prove anyone can see over the line. You showed a static picture. People move. People jump. People put their hands up.
And to my point- who cares- they dont run the offense with the expectation of the QB seeing over every player on the field. They throw in passing lanes. I am sure some QB can see over everyone, but it is not a requirement to play the position.
les boulez bomber - January 6, 2012
You're right, quarterbacks just blindly throw the ball down the field w/o seeing
My remarks were to your comment about Drew Brees and no QB in the NFL being able to see over the line
Parks Smith - January 6, 2012
Neither are statements I made
les boulez bomber - January 6, 2012
People love to name the one extreme anomaly.
Brees has ELITE arm strength, athleticism, accuracy, football acumen, etc F’in etc.
Do everyone who is a 6’0 and under QB prospect a favor and not mention Drew Brees….especially that unathletic midget Kellen Moore.
Diesel44 - January 5, 2012
When it supports your point you have to note it.
I simply said that height is overrated if you are 6’0 tall. He is tall enough.
It is a fact the Drew Brees is an elite QB and 6’0. It is a fact that 6’0 Qbs can be elite. It is a fact that at that height and above, you are tall enough. If the guy you like best is 6’0, dont redline him for that.
les boulez bomber - January 5, 2012
agreed i wish there was an accurate measure for these guys (before the combine)
Steve Shoup - January 5, 2012
On a different note- Holmgren basically said CLE is drafting a QB this year
les boulez bomber - January 5, 2012
I watched that whole press conference and how the HELL did you remotely get that he was drafting a QB out of it?
What in there tells you he’s getting a QB?
Parks Smith - January 5, 2012
Parks Smith - January 5, 2012
my guess is Holmgren's statement that he didn't think they'd go the free agency route if they were to address the QB situation
Steve Shoup - January 5, 2012
that’s right…he said there would be competition and it is unlikely to come from FA
…connect the dots…
les boulez bomber - January 5, 2012
He spent 10 minutes talking about adjusting to WCO and praising Seneca Wallace in it
Parks Smith - January 5, 2012
I did not get the impression that competition was S Wallace from what I read. And you watched it without that takeaway. Do who knows? I believe they will add a QB this draft, but I dont know which round. And I don’t feel it should affect our draft plans one bit.
les boulez bomber - January 5, 2012
this was my source
he follows the team year round…
So if there is going to be a competition, and it is not coming from FA…
http://espn.go.com/blog/afcnorth/post/_/id/39755/browns-not-looking-to-add-free-agent-qb
les boulez bomber - January 5, 2012
I'd def take Campbell over Anderson.
From what I hear Rex and Beck will be gone, thank God, so were def going to bring in a vet Qb. Who?? Bring back JC.
Chillz - January 5, 2012 via mobile
Sounds like Osweiler is announcing he's commiting to the draft, tomorrow
Parks Smith - January 5, 2012
Never heard of him.
iH8dallas - January 5, 2012 via mobile
I just did a brief write-up on the front page, he kind of looks like the guy from Twilight so you should like him
Parks Smith - January 5, 2012
I don't like his haircut.
iH8dallas - January 5, 2012 via mobile
That's from HS, maybe this will get you going
Parks Smith - January 5, 2012
FAIL
Parks Smith - January 5, 2012
this is like the photo games at bars where you try to figure out what is different
Steve Shoup - January 5, 2012
Yea let me know when you find it
Parks Smith - January 5, 2012
damn i keep pressing my screen but the red circle won't come up
Steve Shoup - January 5, 2012
Hey on another note who are you guys pulling for in the playoffs?
Lions for me
irishgoon - January 5, 2012
I'm not really pulling for anybody, but I'm excited to watch Tebow.
iH8dallas - January 5, 2012 via mobile
Giants
Another notch for the NFC East
aFan4Life - January 6, 2012
I can't predict what or who we will draft this year.
It’s impossible to know and there are too many things that can happen.
Given our draft position and looking at it objectively, I think we go RB in the first round and we grab a QB like Weeden or Tannehill in the second.
iH8dallas - January 5, 2012 via mobile
would Trent fit the Shanahan ZBS style of back?
irishgoon - January 5, 2012
I think he can fit any style.
Imagine him in Shanny’s system. If we took him I’d be okay with that. Hell we could play him for one year and trade him for another first.
iH8dallas - January 5, 2012 via mobile
I don't know but they are saying he is the best RB prospect since AP
les boulez bomber - January 5, 2012
You can't be serious
you sticking to this?
Parks Smith - January 5, 2012
It's as plausible as anything else.
If the two big QBs are gone and Blackmon (assuming no trades happen) what else could we draft?
OT-sure
Guard-seems high for one
RB-if Shanny thinks this guy could produce huge numbers, why not?
iH8dallas - January 5, 2012 via mobile
You've been celebrating how great our backfield is already
Cornerback and who will likely will be available will make a whole lot more sense than RB.
Parks Smith - January 5, 2012
Cornerback
will definitely happen before RB in the first.
HogHunter - January 5, 2012
Lets recap iH8
1st) RG3 is falling to us
Then) We’re trading up for RG3 regardless
Then) We’re drafting Trent Richardson
What’s next? If we’re sitting at 6 and QBs are gone then Claiborne, Kirkpatrick, Reiff, Martin, Coples, Still, and many others make a lot more sense than Richardson
Parks Smith - January 5, 2012
Parks, you better believe that list you made will get much longer by April.
iH8dallas - January 5, 2012 via mobile
iH8
I think I’m in the same boat as you, everyday I change my mind on what scenerio is going to play out, regardless I’d be happy if we trade back and pick up alshon , weeden, and an OT in the first 2 rounds, OR, RGIII falls to us at 6, if he doesn’t i think CB is the best pick at 6, we need that shut down guy. so many options and everyone of us who is speculating is probably wrong
fraja926 - January 6, 2012
111 days till the draft
Its fun to speculate what could happen, and I’m a sucker for any mock draft that anyone throws together. There is so much that’s gonna change between now and April. And with every position needing an upgrade, you’re gonna get it right eventually IH8.
HogHunter - January 5, 2012
But Richardson being there at 6 gives us a big name to exchange picks and trade down
But he makes a lot of sense in TB at #5…a lot
les boulez bomber - January 5, 2012
he's def. good trade bait
Steve Shoup - January 5, 2012
Helu is awesome. Royster is good.
But Shanny goes through running backs like I go through harmonica groupies.
We’ll probably draft a defensive end.
iH8dallas - January 5, 2012 via mobile
Both our rookie backs are good
But we do not have a every down back on the roster
les boulez bomber - January 5, 2012
Actually saw a mock draft recently that had us taking Richardson at #6 and a TE at #36.
Mike from NE Patriots Draft. That dude is dummer than a sack of dull hammers.
Diesel44 - January 5, 2012
That guy has said some ridiculous stuff on twitter
Parks Smith - January 5, 2012
i think most people just look at our overall rushing numbers and fail to realize a few things:
1. we usually were playing from behind so we’d abandon the run game.
2. we would just decide to abandon the run game for fun sometimes.
3. Ryan Torain got far too many carries that dragged our rushing average down.
4. Our offensive line is pretty bad.
Steve Shoup - January 5, 2012
Really good points
Parks Smith - January 5, 2012
though it does amaze me that they ignore the fact that Shanny doesn't take RB's high
i guess they feel T-Rich is the exception to the rule.
I will also say Richardson is one of the hardest guys to mock. If Colts go Luck, Rams Kalil and Browns Griffin, it becomes hard to find a place for him. Tampa makes some sense, but they could easily go OL, CB, or even Blackmon. Jacsonville, Chicago, Philly, Dallas, Carolina, Bills, and Cards don’t make sense. Chiefs need a back to pair with Charles, but they are more likely to find that in free agency. Seattle could if Lynch is gone (and maybe if he’s still there), and I guess Miami is a possibility, but with Bush’s emergence down the stretch and Thomas’s potential I don’t see it.
For all his talent I really don’t know where he will end up, my best guess would be a team like Denver, Cincinnati or Browns (with the later pick) trade up for him.
Steve Shoup - January 5, 2012
Tampa makes a TON of sense. They are not happy with Blount as the lead back
les boulez bomber - January 5, 2012
very true
and they think they are set at QB so RB or WR makes sense for them.
aFan4Life - January 6, 2012
like i said I def. think they are possible
but they could say we want Claiborne or Kirkpatrick since CB is a bigger need, and fix their RB woes in the 2nd or 3rd round.
Steve Shoup - January 6, 2012
Yes they can definitely lean that way. Or a really top linebacker or safety
They might want another CB because of Talib’s off the field issues.
But if they go defense, I suspect they will shore up the run defense somehow. That is their biggest problem.
les boulez bomber - January 6, 2012
i think a lot will depend on their new coach (and of course FA)
the other issue with CB is the fact that Barber is probably going to retire.
Steve Shoup - January 6, 2012
Yes...
I agree on both. I live down here and get the feeling people think CB is a need but not the most pressing need. The most pressing needs are RB and someone that can really help stop the run.
CB and WR top the second tier of needs
les boulez bomber - January 6, 2012
very true, thanks for that Kyle (on #2)
which is why I wouldn’t even draft an RB in any round this year unless Shanahan sees a late round gem.
aFan4Life - January 6, 2012
you could also say that is on Mike,
the game plan seemed to abandon the ground game, when the RB (Torain) wasn’t getting early success, which seems to fall more on Mike’s shoulders for well having Torain on this team.
Steve Shoup - January 6, 2012
yeah, I wasn't very happy about how we abandoned the running game
aFan4Life - January 6, 2012
Jeffers is a possibility he might consider
But I think it is more likely to target a FA than use a top pick on WR in the draft
les boulez bomber - January 5, 2012
no way Shanahan goes RB in the first
he never drafts 1st round RBs. And I agree with Shanahan because RBs don’t last long so they need to be the last piece of the puzzle you worry about.
aFan4Life - January 6, 2012
I rather they take Vontaze Burfict or Dre... than another WR.
This teams scouting sucks @ drafting WRs.
Hoping they trade down… keep hearing G David DeCastro is the next big thing.
LA11 - January 5, 2012
I wouldn't tough Burfict in the first round right now (though I'm sure someone will late)
he’s way too volatile and streaky.
Steve Shoup - January 5, 2012
You make it sound like that is a bad thing.
Besides, this team needs a player the opposing team fears like they did #21.
LA11 - January 6, 2012
Getting personal fouls every other play, not controlling your emotions, and being extremely streaky is a bad thing
Parks Smith - January 6, 2012
Don't you think you are over exaggerating?
The most he has done is get flagged for late unnecessary hits. He just needs time to mature like #21 after his many flags he attracted when he was starting out with his hits. Besides, London could mentor him to take his place…
LA11 - January 6, 2012
Watch the tape this year, he seriously regressed.
Parks Smith - January 6, 2012
On What?
If it wasn’t for his over aggressiveness, he would be the the best ILB in the draft.
LA11 - January 6, 2012
Kuechly would have to disagree with that, as would Te'o if he declared
Burfict would just disappear from games (sometimes b/c he was sidelined due to his stupid penalties)
Steve Shoup - January 6, 2012
I really dont like Landry anyway
so im glad hes staying….but it sucks that Barkley is staying. Dammit
Asmaki - January 6, 2012
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