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Looks Like Someone Has a Sixpack of the Mondays: Tim Tebow and City of Denver Officially "Doing It"

1. In approximately nine months from now, the city of Denver will give birth to a little bundle of joy. I know what you're thinking--and no, Travis Henry was not even in town this past weekend. I think we all can rest assured that Tim Tebow will do the honorable thing and make an official long-term commitment to his relationship with the city. He is absolutely in charge there right now in a way nobody ever thought imaginable after John Elway hung up his cleats. I can honestly say I was not actively rooting against the Pittsburgh Steelers, but I could not help but be very obviously pro-Denver. I predicted Champ Bailey would get a touchdown in the game, but the play he made at the end, drifting up the sidelines to bat away a ball intended for Hines Ward was undeniably huge. As for Tebow, I could have used one or two more signature runs by him, but I was just happy watching some of the absolute worst looking throws of all time land harmlessly out of bounds or just beyond the outstretched arms of the Steeler defenders. He did throw some great balls, but...wow...a couple of his throws were simply unbelievably horrible. I think I am still trying to convince myself that the first play of overtime never happened. It could not have possibly happened. That never happens against Pittsburgh, right?

2. I wrote last week that I thought the Broncos would win and that this game would signal the end of the line for this current iteration of the Pittsburgh Steelers. I have no doubt that the Steelers will continue to make playoff runs, but I have serious doubts that this group can get to January healthy enough to contend for a Super Bowl. They have young talent to be sure, but I question whether the AFC stalwarts have what it takes to stay on top of that conference given the rise of some of the other young teams. As a Redskins fan, I would kill for a team that played well enough year in and year out to make the playoffs no matter what. But I fear that Steelers fans are in for what could be a string of very disappointing playoff losses in the first round.

Star-divide

3. Speaking of being a Redskins fan, watching Shaun Suisham make meaningful field goals for an extremely sound football team in January made me just a little bit sick. We will never know if Suisham could have made that 60+ yarder to win the game, but I'd like to think that the closer the field goal attempt was, the more likely it would have been that it was wide left or right. I am willing to bet that if Suisham had attempted a 60+ yarder, it would have gone through the uprights--just to make me vomit.

4. I watched the Steelers/Broncos game with a buddy who is a native of Pittsburgh. At one point, he asked me if I thought Mike Shanahan was working out for us. As I was explaining to him how easy it is to look good and even be good when your frame of reference includes Steve Spurrier and Jim Zorn, it occurred to me that Shanahan's ego would have a real hard time existing in a place like Pittsburgh. In Washington, it is part of what we have to accept. Shanahan is, after all, an accomplished coach with an honest-to-goodness understanding of what it takes to win in the NFL. Here is my question: would Mike Shanahan employ the same ego if he was on the Steeler sidelines?

5. I really have no idea who in their right mind would advise Robert Griffin III to return to Baylor for another year. I am not sure his stock could get much higher, given that waiting another year would have him competing with Matt Barkley and Landry Jones. If there is any actual chance that he stays in college for another year it could only be because of one person: Robert Griffin III. Some guys dig being a god on a college campus. Most of you reading this would too. Just for a second, imagine what it must be like to be a returning Heisman Trophy winner. Imagine what you would do if you owned a college campus the way Griffin does. Frankly, just thinking about what Kevin would do scares the crap out of me.

6. It is fitting that in the #6 slot today, I reiterate my complete disagreement with trading up in the draft to get RG3 if he comes out. I know this is a debate we will beat into the ground in the weeks ahead, but since it is what everyone is talking about already, I will keep up my argument. This Washington team simply can't afford to hand over any future first round picks. If we are able to add a future first rounder in addition to another pick or two to move back, we could pick up a Ryan Tannehill and some offensive line help in the first couple rounds and then have some ammo next year to either build around them or make a move to grab a Matt Barkley if Tannehill bombs out. We do need to draft a quarterback in this draft, and he will most likely have to play at some point next season just to see what we drafted. But we have other holes that can't be ignored, and we can't hamstring the development of this team to go and get one player at this point. With extra picks in next year's draft, we could maybe get a little more aggressive--especially if we hit on our top picks in this draft. As good as RG3 is, he is not worth three or four young starters--especially ones that could potentially start for Washington for the next decade.

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"Make a move to grab Matt Barkely"

Assuming we arent 2-14 next season, wouldnt that involve trading just as many picks (or more) next year as it would take now to get RG3? So in essence we’d be hoping a later round qb plays well enough in his rookie season so as to solidify our qb situation next season?

The big issue for me is we dont want to be picking 6th or higher ever again. This should be the highest pick we have for the next 10yrs if we’re currently on the right track with the right coach….so while maybe it’s not a good idea to trade up for RG3, the justification that Barkley comes out next year doesnt work because he should be even more of a reach. Just my $.02

My point is we can stockpile picks by moving back this year and give ourselves options next year.

Ideally, we would find a sercviceable, Andy Dalton-type in the bottom of the first, top of the second. But if we added at least a 1st round in the 2013 draft, we would have the ammo to move on a guy without having to trade many or any future picks.

+1

For those that think we are a Quarterback away, you need to take another look. We don’t really have the weapons necessary to move straight into contention.

I think we have more weapons than people think.

We do need one more WR.

We have a fragile set of "weapons"
Trade back.....grab Floyd

then trade up….take Foles

Why would you need to trade up for Foles?
Weapons can be found in FA

Much tougher to do with QBs

Watching Matt Ryan yesterday drove home (for me) how badly teams need true playmakers at qb.

We’re so bad that a Ryan-type qb would seem like a godsend for us and at least we’d hopefully start making the playoffs etc….but damn, it really would be everything to get an elite qb under Center- it’s all the difference. If Shanny feels that RG3 is an elite talent….i’m fine with what he does to get him.

an elite QB

like the one that just got beat by the Broncos?

How did anything about the Falcons game convince you of the need for a QB? That game was all about the NY Defense.

Can't really blame Big Ben on that game, he was playing around 60%
That being said, I loved seeing the Steelers get beat by the Broncos
Atlantas problem is that they don't have a good QB

I think that game showed just how pedestrian Ryan really is.

I'd rather have 2 first rounders next year...

and add a CB and WR than combo them to move up

+1
2 1st rounders next year?

only offers we are gonna get will be from a playoff team. which will more then likely make it again the next year too. so we will get a late first rounder out of it. then we end of with our own pick which will be a higher pick also next year least for shanny`s sake it better be. we will still be without a franchise qb…… so we will have to deal both our number 1s next year plus other picks to move up to the top 3 to get the qb we want next year….. so we mys well get it over with and trade up this year or we will be stuck at middle of the pack for ever unless we have that 1 really bad season on a year a really good qb enters the draft or unless we get lucky and draft a gem in the the 2nd or 3rd or later rounds this year.. but u know as well as i do we aint that lucky…

Also, I am not a "Barkley guy"

Just using him as an examle of a guy in next year’s draft that the Skins could consider if they absolutely had to make a move.

I'm starting to think we shouldn't trade up for RG3 this year.

But isn’t this the year that they have to absolutely make a move?

McNabb year one, Rex and Beck year two. That’s two strikes already.

I think the Skins have to bring in a rookie qb for sure...

But if they are successful in moving down and can add picks in this year’s draft and next year’s draft, Shanny can really give himself some options. Either the guy he picks this year shows promise or he can pull the plug and make a splash in the 2013 draft.

That means that whomever he drafts this year, he has to play.

Also, I am not ruling out the Redskins trading up for Luck.

I'm trying to put myself in Shanahan's shoes.

How many times can his quarterbacks not work out?

I think had he started Grossman from the start of 2010 and saved those draft picks then this is a different conversation.

I know people think he’s safe from the Snyder wrath, but I think he has to do something this year and if not, he’s gone.

Just my opinion.

4-12 season with Rex and an "unknown" rookie qb and he's done for

really i am not sure he can even have Rex on the roster.

however mortgaging the franchises’ future by trading up for RG3 probably guarantees he keeps his job….interesting dynamic

I really think he's put himself between a rock and a hard place.
yeah, a year of McNabb and then a year of Grossman ate up a lot of time
yeah

shanahan said it himself.. if he doesnt have things looking alot better by year 4 then he sholdnt be here for the full 5 years

But do you put a Rookie in a system with nobody to throw to?

I’ve said it before and I will say it again, our receiving corp isn’t really all that great. It’s basically a loose collection of average players. Pulling in a big name reciever and a o-lineman would be a start.

we got some receivers to throw to, they're not studs like megatron or anything

but the system gets guys open. how many times could our guys have taken it to the house this year if rex could hit them in stride…I can think of more than a few off the top of my head. If shanny likes RGIII or Luck for that matter i’m fine with him trading up. If he doesn’t I’m all for him trading back.

I like Shanny the GM. Is he perfect, no, but who is? He’s so far brought in high caliber leaders that when put in give 110% on every down. Yes the McNabb trade was bad, but look at what McNabb is/was a classy leader.

I think Shanny will go after RGIII but he won’t mortgage the future in the process, if it takes any more than this years and next years 1st I think he passes, tries to move back and continues to build depth with the best players available.

We may have receivers that get open in our system; however, we have a low percentage of "take it to the house" talent
I agree that we don't have anyone who's gonna break 2 tackles on his way to pay dirt

But just as a good line can make your qb/rb look better, a good qb can make your Wr’s look better.

Whichever way Shanny goes, whether all in one basket with RGIII/Luck or trade back, I think our offense gets significantly better next year.

Unlike years before, I don’t think there was a game I wasn’t excited about watching this year. don’t get me wrong I watch every game but going into each game I felt like this years team was going to compete with whomever they played and that the young guys were really exciting to watch.

Can’t wait for a fresh healthy start next year with an influx of more youth.

receivers are irrelvant without somebody to throw them the ball

and right now we got nothing at QB

yeah they can all be had in FA

qb must be a 1st round pick

The whole game was unbelievable. Tebow is a winner. Agree with you Ken, can’t give up draft picks for a qb. Take Tannehill or another qb and maybe trade back.

I wonder if Dick Lebeau will retire?

(i remember reading last offseason he was chewing on the idea of retiring)…his absence and an aging defense in general would certainly impact the Steelers’ future success

as to Mike Shanahan’s ego, I think no matter where he’d go he would be the same. His belief in himself and his system of winning wouldn’t waiver I believe

I agree with the Suisham comment

It seems like players ‘randomly’ become epic after leaving the Redskins. Enter: Carlos Rodgers

And before Carlos Rodgers, Walt Harris

Something about San Francisco seems to make mediocre Redskin CBs play great.

Steelers did look old yesterday.

Sooner or later that defense needs to be torn down and rebuilt, the core is getting old. Not having Ryan Clark had a big impact on the game.

Ike Taylor, pro bowler? Come on!

John Elway’s worst nightmare continues to play out.

Is it just me

or do the Steelers always look immensely overweight? Maybe it’s the White uniforms, but they look like a bunch of fatties to me.

They are a big bunch. I agree.

It is also a little bit that the Redskins are so small…we have a relatively tiny bunch.

That's actually sooper accurate

I don’t remember who wrote it, but we touched on it in the slop. Someone wrote a piece about how much smaller the Redskins are than the rest of everybody ever. Ever.

It was Sally Jenkins about height, and I stand by that it was dumb
agreed

she is awful, didnt even mention that Shanny has always gone for smaller quicker olineman

I was chatting on twitter last night with Reed Doughty.

We both agreed that the Steelers had the right game plan for Tebow (I did a post for SB nation in November saying teams need to commit to completely shutting down the run, cover 0 if they have to and force Tebow to throw). Doughty said he felt it was the right game plan but Tebow made plays that he hasn’t made all year with his arm.

Having been watching a lot of Tannehill recently. If RG3 doesn’t fall to 6, I’m starting to agree with you Ken. Trade back, pill up more picks, maybe get a guard like DeCastro and pick up Tannehill in the bottom of the first/early second.

That draft scenario would be awesome.

+1 would be absolutely amazing
again...that is asking for it...and the Shanahans won't take

that risk…

Once you start trading back…especially deep…there are too many variables that you can not control..

Who thought Tebow was going in the first round?

A run on QBs could occur and you could wind up trading picks anyway…

trading back with one QB in mind is a very bad idea.

Steelers

I think it’s important to remember that the Steelers were missing all 3 of their starting DL yesterday which would really hurt any defense.

Injuries can’t really be predicted so I’m not going to count on them losing out to the other teams in their division. The Ravens are limited by Flacco and their defense is also aging. The Bengals struggle to beat good teams as we saw this weekend and Cleveland? Well they’re the usual Browns (and it pains me how much we’ve become like them). Maybe the Browns will turn it around but I don’t see it happening anytime soon.

One thing the Steelers are good at is finding defensive talent and developing it. If I were them I’d upgrade my CBs.

Tebow laid down the Judgement of Big Ben

and he said Guilty as charged!

Don't do the Dirty Bird

Watching the Falcons yesterday is the best proof why #6 on this 6-pack is true. 5 picks for 1 guy turned a promising team (#1 Seed last year) to a barely playoff team which got dominated in every aspect (TO A TEAM THE SKINS BEAT TWICE THIS YEAR!)

Trading multiple guys for this year’s “The Guy” is a step back even for good teams. I don’t think that’s even a debate.

Moving up for QB is EXPONENTIALLY different than moving up for a #2 WR.

Cam Newton, Matt Stafford, Matt Ryan…..all guys who change a franchise their 1st year in the league. NO ONE…..and I mean NO ONE….can tell me that trading up for a QB and trading up for a WR are even in the same ball park.

Okay, point taken, but your emaples don't really fit fit since their teams didn't trade up to draft them
doesnt matter if they moved up or not

The point is a having a star QB is way more important than having a stud WR

Not sure "Exponentially" means what you think it means

And given all 3 of your examples were considered the best QBs in their respected drafts maybe proving it is hard to do. Fully agree a #1 QB, like Andrew Luck, should be a franchise-changing player.

But the Skins would be trading up for the 2nd best QB prospect, not the first. #2-rated QBs in the drafts with QBs cited: Joe Flacco, Mark Sanchez, and Jake Locker. Anyone feel like trading 4 starters for one of them? Dividends go down EXPONENTIALLY as they come off the board.

RGIII is the 2nd best prospect in this draft for only one reason...

Luck is supposed to be the best QB prospect in the last 10 years of so, which means he would have been the best QB last year, and for the 8 years or so before that. Newton, Stafford, and Ryan would have been the “2nd best QB” to Luck. Which is why I like the idea of trading up for RGIII, to get the best QB in this draft if Luck was not in it. It’s like if you could go back in time and put Peyton and Eli in the same draft (Not that RGIII and Luck are a comparison skill-wise), if Peyton was going to go #1 overall, it would still be worth it to trade up for Eli. I would argue that RGIII is a much better prospect than Flacco, Sanchez, and Locker.

Folks will disagree with me, but the New York Giants team in the 2nd round of the playoffs was beat by the Redskins twice this year. With a QB the Redskins would have been a playoff team this year. If you factor in Becks3 games and Rex’s two turnovers per game and you are talking about 3-4 more W’s this year. The Redskins are not a piece away from the Super Bowl, but they are also not that far away from being a playoff team. The projection for the Rams #2 pick? Two 1st Rounds picks and ONE lower round pick (2-4). I’d pay that in a heart beat. I would never suggest paying that for a WR, with the exception of the 2nd coming of Randy Moss. I would pay that not for Calvin Johnson (not this year because we need a QB, but I would pay that fee.

i think both luck and rg3 will be great....

i think its a big reason the other top qbs stayed in school to be honest… it was luck rg3 then a drop off to barkley then another big drop off to jones.

I'm very disturbed

by the lack of Peyton Manning talk on this website. You think Shanahan isn’t champing at the bit to get his mitts on a veteran HOF qb? You don’t think Danny has nothing but dollar signs in his eyes when he fantasizes about selling Burgundy & Gold #18 Jerseys?

Shanahan chomped at the bit to get his mitts

on a HOF qb before….McNabb….and we all saw where that got us.

Has Tyler Wilson

announced what he’s doing yet? If he comes out, we don’t hafta worry about Griffin.

Didn you say on another thread that he declared for the draft?
No

I said I never even thought that was on the table. I think Parks wrote a piece on him, mentioning the possibility, which got me excited. I still doubt he’ll come out, given he’s only started one year. But his age may be a factor. If he does, I’d love the Skins to get him.

aren't we hamstring the development of this team experimenting with Qbs year after year
we can’t hamstring the development of this team to go and get one player at this point.

btw i’m all for not getting RG3 I want blackmon and weeden cheap and very low risk qb. So if he does bomb it wont look bad getting Barkley next year and we’ll still have blackmon.

So you would sell the farm to trade up for Barkley next year?

You do realize that bounty would be much higher with a projected 4-5 win improvement and a possible playoff appearance. It would be cheaper to do this year.

You're assuming a lot to say we will be 4-5 wins better next year
Not A LOT, just assuming.

Count for me the number of W’s Skins would gave had minus 2 turnovers per and the Beck era?

At least 8 wins, maybe 9 or 10.
i think next year it wont cost as much to move up for barkley as it would be to move up for Griffin this year.

Also we can get more players this year to help build for the future qb, and thats saying Weeden doesn’t work out, which i think he will.

Shanahan won't take a chance on a 28-year-old QB that may or may not work out.

He’s not trying to perfect his guacamole recipe, he’s trying to build the second most expensive football team on the planet.

It’s got to be right this year.

A 3rd rounder isnt really a chance

Especially for who he is, hed probably be up there with luck and Griffin had it not been for his age. I’d rather have a 28 year old who has proved more than somebody like Foles or Tannehill who would be a 2nd round project.

A 3rd rounder is an excuse.

If he plays and sucks, it’s the whole “well he was only a 3rd rounder, no harm done.”

That won’t cut it here, trust me.

I think they either go for Flynn or trade up for RG3.

NO

I refuse to listen to anybody who says Flynn is/should be the QB of the future here, a third round pick is a much better waste to me then 35mil for a 2 pump chump at qb.

Weeden is almost 30 and was playing catch with the best college receiver in the Big (no defense) 12.

The Skins aren’t going for that guy.

Yea man we need at least 4 pumps

anything less is just a tease

Are you suggesting he isn't committed to a better guacamole recipe?
I'm simply suggesting the Redskins aren't his own personal QB experiment.

He knows he better get a stud or start looking for other employment.

And Dan Snyder pays well.

So far, evidence would suggest that he DOES think the Redskins are his own personal qb experiment.

And you still haven’t assuaged my shock and horror that Shanahan is not even remotely interested in developing a better guacomole recipe.

I am with you h8…we need a qb and right now. But due to the lottery ticket nature of anyone not named Luck, trading down from #6 and adding picks in the 2013 draft would give us options in case we draft the next Ryan Leaf.

I love the theoritical arguments..but they are moot

Mike Shanahan didn’t start evaluating QBs halfway through the season to tell Dan…just give me 3 more years to find our franchise QB. The QB of the future will be drafted in the first round this year by the Redskins….bank on it.

Jobs are on the line…

I agree completely.

I think the smart thing to do would be to sign Flynn and surround him with nuclear weapons.

But I have a feeling the Redskins have already made up their mind on one or two QBs.

They havent been to pro days, or the combine, or watched all the college game film, or interviewed these kids

Trust me, they haven’t made up their minds about anything yet

then it doesn't matter if we give up 13 1st round picks for luck?
But we could take that qb in the bottom of the first then, too? right?
Yea I think that's more likely honestly.

I don’t see us trading up at all.

Shanahan said a lot when he said he was drinking coffee and watchin qb’s. Forget mind games, smoke screens, shanahanigans and whatever else. We are drafting a qb this year unless someone jumps infront of every pick we have and takes our guys.

I’m putting a jefferson on it.

Yes...but do you think the Shanahans are riverboat gamblers like

that?

Quite frankly, I wouldn’t be surprised if the had Ponder targeted when they traded back this year…

There are way too many variables that Shanny can’t control…and when your job is on the line, I can’t imagine playing that game to be left at the altar…

# 3 made me sick too

goes to show you how lucky the steelers really are!!

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