We all know the tale. Mike Shanahan enters as Denvers head coach in 1995, and inherits John Elway who is still at the peak of his career. His John Elway led teams go on to Super Bowl victories in 1998 and 1999. Ole' Johnny Boy retires in the spring of 1999, and has put his own personal stamp on Mike Shanahan's legacy.
End of story right.............................? Well, let's look a little deeper into the history of the Mike Shanahan QB.
The Early Years:
Shanahan got his start as an NFL offensive coordinator in 1984 with the Denver Broncos, where he was instrumental in developing the great John Elway, who had been drafted the year before out of Stanford. He led the Broncos offense for four years before leaving to become the head coach of the Raiders.
His brief stint with the Raiders ended in 1989. In 1990, he went back to the Broncos as an offensive assistant, and again, was granted the privilege of working with Elway. He was fired in 1991 for being in the middle of a spat between Reeves and Elway.
In 1992, Shanahan came on board with the 49ers as an offensive assistant, where he worked with Joe Montana and Steve young. He lasted two years in San Francisco, before being offered the head coaching position in Denver in 1995.
The Denver Years:
Shanahan was once again reunited with John Elway. This is where many people see his coaching chapter as just begining, but if you look to his past, you will see that Shanahan had some of the best quarterback prospects in the game, that he worked along side, and coached.
Now the Elway era lasted just four more years in Denver. They were a very successful four years, but like all good things, it had to come to an end. Now Mike Shanahan is no dummy when it comes to quarterbacks. He has been fortunate enough to coach some of the games best. There was no doubt he knew what type of quarterback he wanted running his offense............................or so we thought.
Shanahan drafted Brian Griese in the third round of the 1998 draft. He had to have known that Elway's magical career was going to be coming to and end shortly, and this move was designed to be able to groom the young Greise to eventually take over at the position. There were really only two other prominent(if you want to call them that)quarterbacks that Shanahan passed on in the 1998 draft. Considering they were picking 30th that year, following a Super Bowl victory, they were not in the running for either Peyton Manning or Ryan Leaf. The rest of the quarterback class was pedestrian at best. So, back to those two quarterbacks that Shanahan could have selected in the second round, had he felt they were worthy: Charlie Batch and Jonathan Quinn.
In the summer of 1999, Shanny shunned popular veteran Bubby Brister, in favor of Griese. Griese was not known for his big arm, but was considered somewhat mobile, and was extremely accurate, never once, in his four years as a starter in Denver, dipping below 64 percent completion percentage.
The Griese experiment lasted until 2002. The quick flavor of the day turned out to be nothing more that an average NFL quarterback, and Shanahan was not about having his reputation ruined by that. The 2003 season saw the athletic, and strong-armed Jake Plummer arrive in Denver. Plummer had success with the Broncos during his four year stint as the starting quarterback, but old age began to set in, and a new leader was needed.
For the first time in his career with Denver, Mike Shanahan has the luxury of a higher first round pick(pick #11)that he could use on a quarterback. Denver didn't have a first round pick in 2005, and before that, they were not in the market for a quarterback.
In 2006, Shanahan chose Vanderbilt gun-slinger Jay Cutler with the 11th pick in the draft; one pick after USC's Matt Leinhart. Cutler was viewed as a big, strong, smart, mobile quarterback, with a rocket for an arm. His only downside, was that some scouts viewed him as a bit raw.
Plummer starter the 2006 season as the starter, and led Denver to a 7-2 record, but after a two game losing streak, Shanahan pulled his veteran, for the rookie Cutler. Shanahan coached two more season with Cutler at the helm, before being fired at the end of the 2008 season.
A New Time in D.C.:
Shanahan was hired as the new head coach of the Washington Redskins in 2010. His first order of business was trading incumbent starter Jason Campbell to the Raiders, and bringing in veteran Donovan McNabb, for whom he traded valuable draft picks for. In his prime, McNabb was known for his huge arm, and great scrambling ability, but as Shanahan soon found out, this was no longer McNabb's prime.
The McNabb experiment lasted just one year. He was replaced later in the 2010 season by veteran backup Rex Grossman, who was brought over from Houston, because of his familiarity with Kyle Shanahan's system. McNabb was traded in the 2011 offseason to Minnesota, where he went on to an unimpressive half-season.
The lockout shortened 2011 offseason saw the Redskins in a world of trouble with their starting quarterback situation. Mike Shanahan failed to address the glaring need in the 2011 NFL Draft, and his hand was forced to bring back free agent Rex Grossman to lead the team.
What the hell do we do now?
Believe it or not, there is a point to all this incessive rambling. You or I may not exactly understand what that point is, but I'm sure one Mr. Mike Shanahan does. The point is, what type of quarterback will Mike Shanahan go after?
It's very clear that the Washington Redskins are a team without an identity, and a true leader. Both of these can easily be tied to the quarterback spot.
So you've had your brief history lesson, and you now may have an idea what Shanahan is looking for in his signal caller;................. or do you? He has coached Montana, Young, Elway, Griese, Plummer, Cutler, McNabb, Grossman and Beck, to name a few. Does this man have a "type"? Does the offense he runs, dictate what type of quarterback will be successful here, or will the type of quarterback dictate how successful the offense here will be?
There are a couple different options that Shanahan can take this offseason. Based upon his past, where do you think he's leaning?
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All this does is confusing me more. Where is the choice for "No F'ing Clue!?!"
Parks Smith - February 1, 2012
more F bombs...
take cover….
jgibbsfan1 - February 1, 2012
Get your umbrella out.
I could’ve been saying “facking”, “fudging”, etc
Parks Smith - February 1, 2012
I agree Parks
when I set out to do this piece, I thought I would find some answers as to what Shanny would look for, but I found it strange, that I could find nothing to help me pinpoint his type of guy.
Tiller56 - February 1, 2012
I think the majority of people who picked RG3 did so for reasons other than the logic in this post…
Brutus89 - February 1, 2012
you are going to have to elaborate on that point...
because I think anyone voting for Flynn or Weeden have their own agenda…
jgibbsfan1 - February 1, 2012
I voted Foles. Why? There is a picture of him standing close to Shanahan.
Parks Smith - February 1, 2012
Because most fans hear the hype surrounding Griffin, and that’s why they want to go get him. Not because of Shanahan’s track record, system, or whatever else that would justify going up to get him. I don’t think the cost of getting him fits Mike’s style.
Brutus89 - February 1, 2012
Here is how I see it…
Shanahan has traded up to get a quarterback once.
Shanahan has traded for a veteran quarterback once.
Shanahan has drafted a quarterback once outside of the first round.
Shanahan has signed a free agent quarterback at least three times.
I kind of guessed that there is a 20% chance he will trade up for Griffin
I don’t know that there is a chance to trade for a veteran (Sam Bradford?) 10% chance
20% chance he takes a quarterback outside of the first round
which leaves a chance that we staying with Rex, 20%? Or
sign a free agent 30%.
I kind of see it as even money–Griffin or a quarterback outside of the first round
Skins Fan '77 - February 1, 2012
moving up from 6 to 2 is a whole different animal than 15 to 11
Brutus89 - February 1, 2012
Why
they’re both 4 spots
Tiller56 - February 1, 2012
The cost….? The value of the picks and the difference in value of picks you’d be giving up to make the move?
Brutus89 - February 1, 2012
I know
it was a joke
Tiller56 - February 1, 2012
Moving up from 15 to 11 cost Denver their 1st (15th) and 3rd (68th) round picks.
I feel like we may have to give up just a tad bit more than our 3rd to move up to 2.
Brutus89 - February 1, 2012
+1
Copious 1 - February 1, 2012
Because
the difference between #6 and #2 is 1000 points
and the difference between #15 and #11 is 200 points.
Come on, Tiller, that was a dumb question. You’re better than that.
TheDeepBall - February 1, 2012
It was a joke
man, tough crowd tonight
Tiller56 - February 1, 2012
kidding??
ENsDad27 - February 1, 2012
I voted Flynn
& there is no one who hopes that we can some how find a way to trade up for RGIII or Andrew Luck (& for Luck I would give up a ridiculous amount of draft picks) but I honestly no longer believe that is an option. I think that Indy is locked on Luck & Cleveland has more to offer for RGIII. I hope that I am wrong but IMO it is either a FA or one of the 2nd tier QBs or wait until next year….
ENsDad27 - February 1, 2012
Well your last option
Is not an option for me. I will drive my car off the Woodrow Wilson if I gotta watch Grossman start the season as the #1 QB!!
Wyler98 - February 1, 2012
Yea...
they read it as, who do you want…not who does it appear is most like the QB’s Shanahan has selected or worked with
ptowny - February 2, 2012
I believe that Mike will use the Manning hype...
to distract the other teams, most specifically Cleveland, from his real intent to trade with his friend Fisher with the Rams, and draft RG3…
jgibbsfan1 - February 1, 2012
But free agency is well before the draft.
Parks Smith - February 1, 2012
precisely...
if he can drag out the Manning hype train for three weeks, then Manning signs with Arizona, we will have a trade in place with St. Louis…
jgibbsfan1 - February 1, 2012
We may already have a trade in principle with St Louis
Tiller56 - February 1, 2012
If Fisher throws in a tanning bed...
you know Mike can’t pass up on it, I mean, RG3 and a tanning bed…wow
ptowny - February 2, 2012
I don't understand why he would need a Manning facade then?
Its not like its us vs. the Cardinals. St. Louis isn’t going to trade their pick or agree to anything before the draft. They may have a deal in principle, but if another team calls when the Rams are on the clock they aren’t going to say, “sorry we already promised the Redskins a deal”
Parks Smith - February 1, 2012
I am only being facetious...
I don’t really believe there will be a Manning facade. All I was implying was rumors meant to throw Cleveland off our trail…
jgibbsfan1 - February 1, 2012
Maybe I'm old fashioned, but I think that if St Louis verbally agreed with
Allen and Shanahan to trade them Bradford (with the intention of drafting RG3 at #2), they would not back out. In fact, the deal could be done quickly, solving things for at least three teams.
Donnio1234 - February 1, 2012
I'm pretty sure Shanahan traded up to get Jay Cutler
As for the poll, I voted for Braandon
Skins Fan '77 - February 1, 2012
Your right
they move up 4 spots to get him. They originally had pick #15.
Tiller56 - February 1, 2012
Denver traded their
15th and 68th overall draft picks to move up 4 spots to 11 to take Cutler
Not sure what that means, just thought people would like to know what he gave up then
travisjh86 - February 1, 2012
Hey, I'll trade the #6 pick and our 3rd rounder to move to #2.
BillWard - February 1, 2012
i think he will get foles
munson21502 - February 1, 2012
I don't think he brings in any one of name.
I think he maybe drafts someone in the 3rd round or on to replace Beck….not sure who. And I think we stick with Grossman for at least another year. This isn’t what I’m hoping for, but what I think will play out.
Sevendust34 - February 1, 2012
And RG3 wins the vote in a landslide!
In your face suckas!
iH8dallas - February 1, 2012
Why do people always talk about system QBs?
You can either throw a football to an open guy or you can’t. It’s that simple.
iH8dallas - February 1, 2012
True, but good quarterbacks
Throw the football to an open guy on THEIR team
Skins Fan '77 - February 1, 2012
Yep that's all there is to the job...
Clearly Tim Tebow would fit in any style of offense
Parks Smith - February 1, 2012
Hey you leave Timothy out of this!
iH8dallas - February 1, 2012
It's more about
do we see a Shanny “style”, in his QB’s, and if so, do any of the QB’s avaliable this year have what he may be looking for?
Truthfully, I can’t seem to find a common denominator.
I think arm strength and mobility because of guys like Elway, Cutler, McNabb, and to an extent Plummer, but then I see accuracy with guys like Griese, Montana and Young.
Tiller56 - February 1, 2012
Montana and Young were established guys on the team he walked into...
very much like Elway. I think the biggest clue is when he choose a QB, aka Griese then Plummer. Griese was the pre-Orton, Plummer the mobile one. I think the Plummer signing, more than any other shows what he is looking for, the anti-Griese. I remember Plummer’s signing was out of nowhere, very unlikely, and he did well for the years he was there.
jgibbsfan1 - February 1, 2012
BTW...
Griffin the Third is similar style as Plummer, 100 x’s stronger / better…
jgibbsfan1 - February 1, 2012
Young wasn't established
He was about to be out of the league.
SSBlitz - February 1, 2012
o.k., well-established...
jgibbsfan1 - February 1, 2012
From Steve Young's Wikipedia
SSBlitz - February 1, 2012
yes, but by the time Shanny came on board with the 9ers...
Young had already been on the team for years. From 91 – 95 (mostly shanny years, Young had the best years of his career).
jgibbsfan1 - February 1, 2012
True
And I think it was Walsh who originally recognized the talent.
My point is that Young’s HoF career was largely aided by Shanahan’s tutelage.
SSBlitz - February 1, 2012
Ahh……but don’t forget, Shanny was instrumental in grooming Elway, as he was the O-coordinator the year after Elway was drafted. This is the part some people forget.
Tiller56 - February 2, 2012
I was actually going to beat you up in the arm strength post about this
You are severely underestimating Montana’s arm strength… I saw him twice in person.
I saw him at RFK during warm-ups when J. Schrader was QB for the Redskins and Joe cool was lazily throwing the ball almost 70 yards in the air, his arm was clearly stronger then Jay’s (who also had a rifle)
Skins Fan '77 - February 1, 2012
Judging by the list given, there are TWO guys I could see.
Foles and Griffin.
Griffin is the “mobile strong arm” guy.
Foles is the “strong arm high accuracy” guy.
Based on the showing last week at the senior bowl, though…. I’d have to say he goes for the trade with the Rams.
BillWard - February 1, 2012
Pow
iH8dallas - February 1, 2012
Don't forget about Griffin's accuracy too
Also, do you count Weeden out? Shanny likes veteran QB, with good football minds. Although Weeden is no veteran, he more mature that the other rookies. He’s mobile, accurate and has a good arm. Could he be the guy? Remember, Shanny doesn’t seem all that concerned about a QB’s age. He brough in Plummer who was a bit older. McNabb was certainly a bit older when we got him.
Tiller56 - February 2, 2012
Russell Wilson
Ultimately, I think it will be Russell Wilson’s work ethic and demeanor that convinces Shanahan he can be elite at the next level. I think RG3 has demonstrated similar qualities, but the price of moving up is too steep (I would approve that decision too though).
The only justified complaint I’ve seen against Wilson is his height. He will be the shortest QB in the NFL. There are a few reasons I discount this argument: 1) He has great form with a high release. 2) He played behind an NFL sized O-line at Wisconsin (avg 6’5) with no problem 3) He has the hands (10") and arm strength of a much bigger QB.
The unjustified complaint I’ve heard is that he has trouble passing from the pocket. I haven’t seen any evidence on his past year’s game film, but there are two throws from the Senior Bowl that are still fresh in people’s minds. His corner fade in the end zone was a perfect throw and could have been caught for a nice touchdown. His interception was an obviously bad throw that he definitely regrets throwing.
SSBlitz - February 1, 2012
His throws come out higher than RG3 because of his technique.
SSBlitz - February 1, 2012
does this mean...
that the Third’s techniques can’t be refined?
jgibbsfan1 - February 1, 2012
No
And QBs like Phillip Rivers’ have shown that the 3/4 release can be effective in the NFL. I’m just showing Wilson’s form to show that he plays much taller than he measures.
SSBlitz - February 1, 2012
Rivers is 6' 5" though
he can get away with that
Tiller56 - February 2, 2012
Wilson has a good throw
RG3 has the 3/4 throw at 6’2.
SSBlitz - February 2, 2012
I wouldn’t mind getting our franchise QB in the 6th round.
Brutus89 - February 1, 2012
Now, I don't want this to be construed as WE SHOULD DRAFT WILSON
but…
To all that say he’s too short, the average height of Wilson’s interior offensive line (G, C, G) at Wisconsin was 6’4", and if the Redskins keep the same guys in Lichtensteiger, Monty, and Chester, the average height would be a little over 6’2". In an interview, Bret Bielema mentioned how Wilson had only about 2 balls batted down at the line, because he plays taller with his release.
JUST MAKING A POINT, I think the whole height thing is overblown, and I’d take Wilson over the 8 ft 7 Brock Osweiler any day.
Brutus89 - February 1, 2012
Fun exercise I did a couple weeks ago... 1) Check out Wilson's numbers at NCSU with average talent
2) Look at Wilson’s numbers at Wisconsin compared to Scott Tolzien’s numbers
Parks Smith - February 1, 2012
I watched the games instead.
F the numbers
(sticking with F Bombs from comments above)
SSBlitz - February 1, 2012
haha I've watched him since HS, you can't just dismiss the numbers.
At NC State with average talent around him (kind of like the Redskins) he completed only 57% of his passes, average 3 less yards per completion, his QB rating was also 50 points worse than at Wisconsin.
Then you put him behind a cushy o-line with superior talent, and what do you know!?!? The numbers shoot up through the roof.
Russell Wilson: 225 for 309, 72.8%, 3175 yards, 33 TDS, 4 INTs, 191.8 QB Rating
Scott Tolzien: 194 for 266, 72.9%, 2,459 yards, 16 TDs, 6 INTs, 166 QB Rating
On Wisconsin…
Parks Smith - February 1, 2012
If only numbers told the whole story.
I’m saying that it’s the work ethic and preparatory skills that Shanahan will gravitate towards. I’d argue that improvements in his numbers over the past few years could be caused by consistent and increasingly hard work ahead of time.
Not just any QB is going to lead the NCAA with a QB rating like that.
SSBlitz - February 1, 2012
Good point
I think Shanahan prefers hard-working underdogs over overhyped players sometimes… how else can you get your head around the two quarterbacks we currently have?
Skins Fan '77 - February 1, 2012
huh? His numbers actually regressed at NC State
You don’t think it has anything to do with his surrounding talent improving by about 300%. Put almost any QB behind the best line in the country and they are going to be efficient, ala Tolzien.
If Russell would’ve stayed at NC State then his numbers wouldn’t be nearly that high and be preparing for Spring Training and Arizona.
Parks Smith - February 1, 2012
I'd agree with your last statement there
The move to Wisconsin definitely helped. But I don’t think it’s the sole reason for his improvements. Near perfect QB rating (leading the NCAA) is not going to be replicated by just any QB on that team.
Most importantly for my own opinion, when I watch the Badgers’ games from this past year, I see him:
- reading the line of scrimmage and making adjustments
- orchestrating a lot of pre-snap movements – sometimes even 2 or 3.
- playing under center with great footwork
- Making consistently accurate and intelligent throws
- turning scrapped plays into something with his elusiveness. Specifically, he was great at keeping eyes down field and only committing to run when it was the best option.
- keeping composure and elevating his game when the competition or timing warranted it.
- A very, very competitive attitude.
Emphasis on the pretty throws – almost every ball is pretty. That pick in the Senior Bowl was stupid, and I really didn’t see anything similar in his game tape. Especially when you know there will be a high safety in the middle from having to run Cover 1 and 3.
SSBlitz - February 1, 2012
I forgot my favorite part
He has BY FAR the dirtiest play action I’ve seen. Every play I don’t know if he still has it or not. There are even times when he even gets tackled without the ball.
SSBlitz - February 1, 2012
The TD run against Purdue is my favorite.
Just embarrasses the DE
SSBlitz - February 1, 2012
His second and third years were very similar
With a slight regression in some stats.
The biggest difference I see is the 527 pass attempts and 143 rushing attempts. Sounds tiring.
SSBlitz - February 1, 2012
I also wouldn't take anything away from Tolzien
He was a good college QB there.
SSBlitz - February 1, 2012
Gut feeling
We don’t trade up for RGIII, if he’s there at #6 we take him. Otherwise, I have no clue.
2up2down - February 1, 2012
Also drafted by Shanahan....
Matt Mauck – former minor league baseball player for 3 years prior to college and then came back to lead LSU to one of its best seasons ever with 28 touchdowns. (Sound familiar? – bye bye Weeden hopefully).
Jarious Jackson – single season passing record for Notre Dame and 2nd on the team in rushing.
Bradlee Van Pelt – Van Pelt was criticized for his “run first, then throw” mentality while playing quarterback for Colorado State. Despite this, he managed to throw for nearly 3,000 yards and over 60% completion rate his senior year, and came within 100 yards in passing and rushing of becoming the second collegiate quarterback to pass for 3,000 yards and rush for 1,000 yards in the same season.
To me, all of this adds up to RGIII as Shanahan’s top choice. Nick Foles would be more along the Matt Schaub i.e. Kyle’s “type” of QB.
Copious 1 - February 1, 2012
Your thoughts Tiller?
Copious 1 - February 2, 2012 via Android app
Well
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Kevin Ewoldt - February 1, 2012 via mobile
Wayne and Manning to reunite...
in DC? Team has mentioned it intends to be very active in the free agent market. I think it Peyton is healthy it would be a hell of a boost at two needs. Thoughts?
Figpucker - February 1, 2012
Active in the same sense as it was last season: Finding young role players to fill in at vital spots
Not old injury prone vets…
mbedner - February 2, 2012
You guys are like my brothers as fellow skins fans. I love u guys and ur opinions. I def don’t agree with some of them but none the less. We are all thinking about what we think is n the best interest of our ball club.
Yes depth is a concern. But I’m on the RG3 side. Our starting line up is good for 10-6 with sub par QB play. But injuries will happen. We do lack depth but its time fellow fans. Its time we gamble and go for a franchise QB.
Arguments can go both ways. We are not that short on depth. Yes we need some improvements but people are not accounting for another year of experience/chemistry. We do have holes but its time we go after a top QB.
RG3 is capable guys. No doubt. He is special. We’d be lucky to have him.
BSNUFFER10 - February 2, 2012 via mobile
Please make the underpants man go away
He scares me. And he seems to be taking over the site, more and more.
TCO - February 2, 2012
It is disturbing.
I’m waiting for my son to make a comment. I feel like I’m on a gay porn site or something.
Sevendust34 - February 2, 2012
I think Shanny is open to different QBs and just tries to get the best football player. He does have maybe a bit more interest than average in a QB who can scramble (I think). But just a slight bias. He would roll fine with Peyton.
TCO - February 2, 2012
I just can't see us
trading Bradford away after the way Fisher and Shotty talked about him. I really have no idea how many teams are going to try and trade into our #2 spot. Browns, Vikes, Skins?
OakCityRam - February 2, 2012
I really think Shanny values intelligence in the QB he drafts
He obviously didn’t draft Elway, but he tutored him, and Elway was a very cerebral QB. Griese was considered a smart QB. Cutlet was also considered very smart.
Tiller56 - February 2, 2012
I would also say
that his past links him to a vertical passing QB, who has very good arm strength; but then I look at Griese, and it blows that theory out of the water.
Tiller56 - February 2, 2012
I think it is pretty clear cut
that Shanahan loves QB’s with mobility, last year he talked about John Beck’s ability to make plays with his legs. He worked with John Elway throughout Elways career and he was mobile. He went and got Jake the Snake Plummer and he was mobile, he traded up for Jay Cutler and he has some mobility. He brought in McNabb and he is mobile i think he thought Jason just did not fit the West coast offense.
But I think he likes QB’s with Strong arms, Elway had one of the strongest arms in NFL history, Plummer had nice arm strength and when he traded up to get Jay Cutler he had the strongest Arm in that draft and one of the strongest in the League.
And finally he like a hard worker, a guy that is the first to get there and last to leave, a smart intelligent QB that is willing to put in the work that is why John Beck got his chance
cause he was putting in the work but the stage was too big for Beck. Brian Griese was known for his hard work and football IQ
So when you put that all together i think that Robert Griffin III and Andrew Luck very much fit what Shanny look for in a QB, with Luck being all but gone that leave RG3 as his best QB option. Griffin III has a very strong arm he can make all the throws, his arm is so strong that he can throw off balance and off his back foot and still get the ball there with plenty of zip. To say he is mobile is a understatement, but he is a pocket QB that when all else breaks down can make plays with his legs, all the roll outs and bootleg action Shanny like to run will be a big advantage with Griffin. He is very accurate with the football both in the pocket and on the run which is a rare trait, Griffin after 3 games he was completing 85.4% of his passes and threw more touchdowns than incompletions. which is a incredible stat to show how accurate he has been and what is more amazing is he was not just throwing dinks and dunks but throwing down the field.
Highspeed30 - February 2, 2012
Our latest Mock
Has you guys giving a 1st, 2nd, 4th this year and a 1st next year for our #2 spot. Do you think that would happen?
http://www.turfshowtimes.com/2012/1/31/2762776/a-detailed-mock-draft
OakCityRam - February 2, 2012
Sold
Bryan Black - February 2, 2012 via Android app
i would rather give a 3rd rd next year instead of the extra 4th this year buti would not stop me from making the deal
Highspeed30 - February 2, 2012
Are we talking about the right Shanahan?
What kind of QB does Kyle want? Think that probably matters just as much (sidenote: my first HogsHaven comment!)
tmullick - February 2, 2012
Interesting factoids about SB HC-QB combos
In SB History, there have been 48 different head coaches.
In SB history, there have been 54 starting QBs.
20 HCs have been to multiple SBs.
10 HCs have won multiple SBs
4 HCs have won more than 2 (Noll, Walsh, Gibbs, Belicheat).
18 QBs have been to multiple SBs.
10 QBs have won multiple SBs.
4 QBs have more than 2 (Bradshaw, Montana, Aikman, Brady).
5 HCs have been to SBs with multiple teams (Shula, Parcells, Reeves, Vermeil, Holmgren)
2 QBs have been to SBs with multiple teams (Morton, Warner).
0 HCs or QBs have won SBs with multiple teams.
10 HCs have gone to the SBs with multiple QBs.
3 HCs have won SBs with multiple QBs (Gibbs, Parcells, Seifert).
7 QBs have gone to the SB with multiple HCs.
0 QBs have won SBs with multiple HCs.
Don Shula went to SBs with 4 different QBs and won with only 1 of them.
Joe Gibbs went to SBs with 3 different QBs and won with all of them.
Kurt Warner went to SBs with 3 different HCs and won with only 1 of them.
SO… historically speaking, the odds of Shanny winning the SB in Washington are slim. The odds of him doing it with Manning (already gone with 2 HCs and won with 1 of them) are even slimmer.
So let’s go get Manning and make some history!!!!
NOTE: I actually don’t want Manning, but it would be historic if we won a SB with him.
SkinsLifer - February 2, 2012
can I get more stats? :P
Is there a real causual relationship in there anywhere?
aFan4Life - February 2, 2012
None at all… But I’m bored today and was thinking of all of the people who criticize Shanihan for never having won anything without Elway.
Looks like many of the greats (e.g., Landry, Walsh, Noll) never won without their HoF QB either. I’d take that as good company.
SkinsLifer - February 2, 2012
Also, it makes Joe Gibbs’ accomplishments seem even greater.
SkinsLifer - February 2, 2012
Typo Error.... Sorry
3 QBs have won SBs with mulitple HCs (Montana, Aikman, Roethlisberger).
My bad.
SkinsLifer - February 2, 2012
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