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Tale of the Tape: Ryan Tannehill vs Oklahoma State

Last week I looked at Ryan Tannehill vs SMU, where I felt he had an almost flawless performance and hinted how he could be a good fit for the Washington Redskins. Today, I felt like it was only fair for me to break down a game where he struggled to try and help work out what his floor in the NFL could be. Here's his stat line from the Oklahoma State game: 28 of 47 (59.6% completion), 309 yards, two touchdowns, three interceptions at a rating of 116.1.

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Here we have Tannehill dropping back, checking his first read. Also worth noting is the Oklahoma State pass rusher winning the block on Tannehill's blindside.

Star-divide

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Tannehill senses the pressure and is forced to move out of the pocket. But he does a good job of keeping his eyes down field, finding his go-to man, Ryan Swope.

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Tannehill makes an awkward throw look easy as he goes over the top of the linebacker and right into the numbers of Swope. Very good play from Tannehill.

Here we have a similar situation where Tannehill has to escape the pocket.

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Tannehill feels the pressure from his blindside again, and starts to move from the edge pressure.

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This is the point Tannehill needs to make a decision. He has done a good job up until this point to extend the play, but now has to decide to either tuck it and run, or throw the ball away.

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But Tannehill shows some of his inexperience and gets sacked. A veteran quarterback in the NFL would have make the decision quicker and not taken the sack. It's hard to knock Tannehill, because he does well to extend the play, but he realize that the pressure is coming and that he has to make a decision quicker. That should come with experience.

Next we have one of his touchdown throws. There are good and bad things on this play but it does ultimately result in a touchdown.

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Tannehill has a simple two deep safety coverage. He knows Jeff Fuller is running a post route that could find the gap between the safeties.

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Here's what I don't like about this throw. Tannehill needs to anticipate his receiver cutting and throw the ball as he cuts rather than wait for him to get open. Fuller is just cutting inside and Tannehill hasn't started his throwing motion. The ball should be out by now, or at least on its way out, in order to get the maximum separation between the receiver and the man covering him.

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That being said, Tannehill does manage to put the ball out of the reach of the defender and completes the touchdown pass. He shows good accuracy and arm strength to get the ball where it needs to be.

In contrast, later on in the game, Tannehill shows good anticipation.

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Here you can see that his receiver has yet to make the cut, but has started to slow down. Tannehill has begun the throwing motion in anticipation of the receiver making the cut.

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The ball is in the air when Fuller sticks his foot in the ground and begins his cut.

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As you can see, when Fuller makes the catch, he has four or five yards of separation from the corner, giving him a chance to make a move and get past him. If Tannehill had waited until after the cut to make the throw, the corner would have cover the ground and possibly could have batted down the pass or even intercepted it.

There is a downside to anticipating throws, however. If you aren't fully in sync with a receiver, or if he slips and falls, you can get intercepted easily, like Tannhill's first interception.

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Once again, Tannehill anticipates the cut and begins to throw.

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The ball is in the air, but Fuller slips and falls to the ground while attempting to make his cut back to the ball. This tells the corner the route and gives him a big chance to jump it.

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The corner makes a diving grab and gets the interception, but this one isn't on Tannehill.

Moving onto his next interception.

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Here you can see Tannehill is looking for his receiver to make his cut. However the is an edge rusher that is coming unblocked.

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This is the point Tannehill should be throwing the ball, as the receiver is making his cut. But the free rusher forces him to step up and disrupts the timing of the play.

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The free rusher manages to get an arm on Tannehill, further delaying the throw. This now allows the safety time to close the space created but the cut and allows time for the corner on the outside to drop back.

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At this point, Tannehill should either try to recover and look for other targets or just throw the ball away. Instead, he forces an off-balanced throw to a receiver that is now covered.

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The corner on the outside had the time to drop back and make the play, but the safety could have equally come away with the ball. This was a forced throw created by pressure that disrupted timing. Tannehill can't afford to try and force throws when the timing has been disrupted, he needs to look for other targets, such as his hot read or just throw the ball away.

Tannehill's third interception was also a bad one.

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Tannehill is late on this throw, the receiver is about to make his break, but Tannehill hasn't started the throwing motion.

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The ball has just been thrown as the receiver is out of his break. The coverage is very tight.

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The throw is then off target. Tannehill appears to have thrown the ball expecting the receiver to take a step or two more before his cut. The corner hardly has to move to make a play on the ball, while the receiver has to dive to try and stop the interception.

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The ball gets deflected up in the air and is intercepted by a trailing defender. This is a bad throw with poor timing and into good tight coverage. I expect Tannehill was expecting his receiver to take an extra couple of steps before making his break, but the coverage was tight enough that he should have looked elsewhere.

So overall, an up and down performance from Tannehill in this game. His team lost 29-30 to Oklahoma State, but quite possibly would have won it if Tannehill hadn't forced two bad throws that got intercepted. What do you make of this performance?

Also, props to Aaron Aloysius for providing me the links to the footage on twitter. Go give him a follow.

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Comments

Good post UK

What round would you say this gentleman would go in?

Depends on the injury.

That might hold him back into round two. But I think he’s gonna be one of the Josh Freeman/Joe Flacco guys that are mid to late first rounders.

But you would agree he is a first round talent?
Yeah.

I think so.

I like the first person point of view.

To bring up your Foles point about stepping up (which I didn’t totally agree with) you can see how Tanny (that’s right I said it) steps up in the pocket with pressure.

I wasn't questioning Foles ability to step up in the pocket.

I questioned he consistency with stepping into his throws, because from my point of view, all of his power is coming from his shoulder rather than good footwork.

Nice Post

Could this be the next Cutler?

I would not be upset if the skins traded back a few spots and wound up with Tannehill.

Not sure he's the next Jay Cutler

But I think he’s a very good fit for the current system.

I doubt he's the next cutler

Doesn’t quite have the arm strength or the awesome personality

"personality", that's what it's called

I can live w/o Cutlers personality

I'd rather have Russell wilson than Tannehill
Really?

Why’s that?

more experience. I think other aside from height he's a big time playmaker.
Would you have preferred Tolzien to Tannehill?
There is really nothing stopping us from having both.
I’d rather have Russell wilson than Tannehill

God, that’s almost absurd to say H8. I’m not a hugh fan of Tannehill, but I take him over Wilson as our future.

Great analysis!

Much easier to see the potential in Tannehill when a play is broken down this way.

Thanks.

Glad you got something out of it.

How does one still have a QB rating of 116.1 with three interceptions?
Here’s his stat line from the Oklahoma State game: 28 of 47 (59.6% completion), 309 yards, two touchdowns, three interceptions at a rating of 116.1.

With that logic, why didn’t Grossman have 158.3 rating during that first Eagles game?

It seems like he is unintentionally running out of the pocket a lot in these plays

Does anyone get the concern that he is skiddish in the pocket? Sort of like Gabbert?

Alternatively, he could just be extremely good at sensing pressure and I just haven’t watched enough of his games to discern the difference.

I'm curious... are you basing that on the screenshots above? If so, which ones?
First two plays, but on further review, it looks like LT ends up getting beaten

and the second the tackle is beaten again drawing Tannehill over to the right at which point he still ends up sacked. I just didn’t view the picks good enough the first time.

Gabbert was skittish because Jacksonville's o-line didn't protect him, not because he played that way in college.
That was a problem that he had even in Mizzou
RGIII seems to do the same thing. Both of them have the speed to get away with it.
UK, given that you've done all of this research on these QBs

Who do you think we should select?

I haven't researched all the QB's yet.

But for me, it’s clear Luck is the best QB, RG3 is second, and then there’s the rest. I think Tannehill is the 3rd best QB, but the injury might knock him down during the draft process and guys like Foles or Weeden might jump ahead of him.

I should have said excluding Luck and RG3 since they are the obvious 1 and 2 hahaha
Christ

Are you in politics?

I don't follow the jump you made there lol
Are you in politics?
Your question

Who do you think we should select?

Now read his response and tell me where he actually answers your question.

Of course, I suppose I should’ve asked if he was in Parliament?

I guess I see where you are going with that now,

But it seems like he made a pretty clear list:

1. Luck
2. RG3
3. Tannehill

And UK seems far to civil to be a member of the British Parliment hahaha
I remember one night in college stumbling in at 2AM and British parliament popped on the TV

It was probably the most funny thing I’ve ever watched.

I really think if they did that with american politics, voter participation would skyrocket

But that is neither here nor there.

It actually kind of reminds me of Hogs Haven but just in person
Well, like they say

If you have to explain a joke…..

But I just looked at his answer more as a list of the best guys, not who he thought we should take. For instance, if he thinks we should take one of the first two, then he wants to trade up. If he thinks we should take Tannehill, then he probably wants us to trade down. Seemed to me he didn’t wanna get pigeonholed into a stance on trading the pick, so he gave you the “diplomatic” answer.

Anyway, it’s all in good cheer. Was just messing with the Bloke.

Yeah it's hard to get a stance out of some folks around here

It’s like asking my wife where she wants to eat for dinner.

Me: Where do you want to eat dinner?
Wife: I don’t know.
Me: How about Olive Garden.
Wife: Nah.
Me: Jersey Lilies? (local steakhouse)
Wife: Nah.
Me: Well where DO you want to eat?
Wife: I don’t know.

Personally, I can live with trading up for RG3, and I can live with trading back and grabbing Weeden in the 2nd. But I sure as hell don’t want to reach for a QB not named Luck or Griffin at #6. We need a starting QB, and I would prefer to get him in the draft. That limits our options.

hahaha. Man I hate that. Biggest lose-lose situation in the world...

Had the same kind of thing happen just the other day but about which hotel my girlfriend wanted to stay at for our trip to Atlantic City this weekend.

It’s like asking my wife where she wants to eat for dinner.

Me: Where do you want to eat dinner?
Wife: I don’t know.
Me: How about Olive Garden.
Wife: Nah.
Me: Jersey Lilies? (local steakhouse)
Wife: Nah.
Me: Well where DO you want to eat?
Wife: I don’t know.
Your in AC this weekend?

Damn, I almost went there myself, albiet not with the wife, but rather with a bunch of guys.

I am going to AC next weekend

side note never take your girlfriend unless you dont plan to gamble

I play Hold'em when I go

That way if I lose, it’s to another player, not the casino. On a side note, if you guys ever want to go, we should get a trip together this spring sometime. I’d love to come down and meet up with some of the boys from HH.

I play Hold'em too

We should get a HH trip together to go to AC, What casino do you like to go play at?? cash game or Tournament?

I'll play either

I’m a 1-2, or 2-4 no limit guy, but I’ll play tourney’s too. I’m in. We should plan a trip in April, like 2 weeks before the draft.

That sounds good

maybe put up a post to gauge the interest in going to AC

I like the Borgata, Harrah’s , Tropicana and Taj.

Make sure there's a post

At least a month in advance. I’ve put together a few of these for car clubs, and it can be a pain to organize, but it’s always amusing.

I’m a Borgata fan myself. Email me anytime. We’ll get something going

Nice

Im staying at the tropicana.

I like the Trop too
ironically

i get bored after 2 hrs of gambling and ussually hang out in a br. my wife plays black jack ten hrs straight

haha

thta’s awesome. My wife will gamble a bit, but usually only Carr Stud, or 3 Card Poker. Then she want’s to go “hang out” somewhere.

I was supposed to go to a coaches convention this week

but I recently got offered another coaching position at a different school, and have accepted, so, since I haven’t made it official to my old school yet, I felt it would not be best to go, then on tues of next week, say oh, by the way…………..I’m leaving.

may want to have that removed from the

post about your job. You never know who reads this.. just a thought, maybe Im being paranoid

They are mostly Pats and Giants fans up here

and besides a very select few, I didn’t tell people that I write on HH. I didn’t want the players coming on and messing around.

ok cool

forgot you are a CT boy. I was up in old saybrook last weekend for the game. Actually spent some time at mohegan sun efore the game

hells yeah

Mohegan is awesome. What game did you come up for?

A Friend

of mine who lives up there had a sb party. agreed i like mohegan as well. i have not been to foxwoods yet

Foxwoods is ok. They just added a nice addition.

Haha.

Very good. I didn’t even realized I hadn’t properly answered the question.

In all honesty, I don’t know who I want yet, which is probably why I gave you my top 3. I’d be happy with any of those 3 guys. I’m not particularly in the ‘Trade up’ or the ‘Trade down’ camp. I think you can make a valid argument to trade up for RG3, and I think you can make an equally valid argument to trade down and potentially grab a Tannehill or maybe a Weeden. At this point in the process, I’m figuring out who I like and who I don’t like, not necessarily who I like/want most.

Very good Gov'nah

Actually, I’m pretty much in the same boat as you. I’ve decided to just put it all in Shanny’s hands. I’ll let him make the decision.

I think Tannehill has alot of upside left

Getting bounced around from WR to QB to WR hasn’t helped him but I think it leaves him with a ceiling that I’m not sure anyone can predict. With that said I’m not sure it’s going to make of a much difference because he most likely won’t be ready for a few years depending on who drafts him and how much he gets thrown into the fire right away. I still would love to get him late first or early second.

Can we forward these posts to Grossman?
UK is Grossman
Well, I am part of the...

I'm going to assume that picture is the "unleash the Dragon fan club" patch lol
Well, apparently that image isn't working.

But yes, it was lol.

thank god
Why do you hate that so much

It’s hilarious everytime

b/c every opposing fanbase comes on here, thinks they are the first ones to ever post and thinks its hilarious
Nice job as always...great stuff.
another great piece UK
Cheers Steve.
Couldn't agree more

These posts have such a professional feel to them, like I’m getting something fans of other teams wouldn’t see on their sites. I really enjoy them (even if I don’t respond much on here.)

Ditto

love your stuff, man

Cheers

I like your stuff on Bullets Forever, I just don’t comment over there much because the Wizards are too depressing…

The entire staff

is on Xanax…

Nice breakdown UK
Cheers... again lol.

I was expecting the anti-Tannehill argument from you again if I’m honest Tiller.

No

I’m going to stay out of that arguement. People know where I stand, and if they have any questions they can certainly ask me. I think you did a very nice job breaking things down in your post. Great job ; )

Haha

Alright buddy, thanks.

Question for you Tiller:

If everything went wrong at the top of the draft, and we end up with Reiff, would you be upset if Tannehill fell to us in the 2nd round?

Prob not. I rather Weeden at this point, but I wouldn’t be too upset. For me, I need to see how this FA plays out, and then ill be a little more objective about our situation.

I think I'd prefer Weeden too

I have a feeling that Tanenhill long term won’t be any better than Weeden.

If neither are going to be superstars, but just a solid/average starter, I want the guy who can start quicker.

If he happens to be done in 5 years, that is alright too, because he was only average, and by that point we should have a solid all-around team and can spend a lot to get the best QB available.

Weeden has his problems too

and I am no way trying to make him out to be perfect. He has a bit of that gunslinger mentality, and tends to trust his arm a little too much. He is however, more polished at this stage of the game, and is used to the dealings and responsibility of being a professional athlete. I do believe we can plug-and-play him, but I do not believe it will be without some growing pains.

Surely he's not perfect

But I think we can start him right away with less issues than Tanenhill.

And if neither is goign to reach superstar level, than im fine with getting someone who will hopefully be an average starter for 5 years.

With Weeden on board

I would hesitate to draft another highly touted guy in 2013 or 2014. I guess if it went down; 1st – Reiff, 2nd – Weeden, 3rd – Jones, 4th – Criner, 4th – Donnie Fletcher. I may consider the draft to be a success. I’d still want this as my plan C, but I could live with it.

Meant to say:

I wouldn’t hesitate to draft

If I took Weeden

I want want to draft a new QB in like 4-5 years. Have him sit one year.

By that time, hopefully the OL is solid. the WR are talented and young. We already got RBs. Dhall gets replaced by a stud, safeties get fixed, and Fletcher gets replaced.

That just may work

but don’t forget, it is the Redskins were talking about….LOL

I still would not take him if he fell to the 2nd rd

i would get a guy that i know could possibly start for me by the end of the year, maybe a WR S, CB

I’m of this mentality too

What do you do with the 1.6 pick if the Skins miss out on the trade up for RGIII?
I'd definitely take him if he fell to us in the second

I don’t think there is much chance of that though…

I know he needs a lot of work, but he has a bucket load of tools and if he develops like his potential suggests he should, then he could be a legitimate starting QB and a great fit in the Shanahan offense.

I'll stay away from this guy...

Well for one we are not a team that can develop a young QB at the moment. Basically what I am trying to say is he would fail miserably playing for this team unless we have a ton of patience. Our line is medicore, our recieving targets is nothing special, and the defense is not up to par yet. We need to be decent in those three deparrtments or elite in at least one of them if we want to develop a sorry ass QB. R.Griffin is another story though(obviously in a positive way), but that can be talked about on another day.

The way I look at it is why waste a 2nd or even 3rd round pick on a QB just because he slipped when you can be adding a potential defensive starter for 7+ seasons. Some of you guys take the 2nd and 3rd round picks for granted. I mean great players are not hard to find in those rounds. I trust in Shanahan to make the right decision and to stay away from Tannehill and the other whoulda, shoulda, couldas. (not Luck and Griffin)

Tannehill evaluation

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXDEzCf3C7Y

Guys, I wanted to parley off of some of the things UK said in his post on Tannehill, and of all the Video I have watched, this game vs LSU, is the best measuring stick I have seen to evaluate Tannehill on for two reasons: 1) LSU is the closest defense to an NFL defense that we have in college football 2) Not only the style of play of LSU, but just the calibur of athletes they have(Peterson, Claiborne, and The Honey Badger are all on this team).

Now first, I want to say that this was from Ryan’s junior season, which I believe was better than his senior one.

Eventhough LSU had a pretty solid performance, I see a lot of positives from Tannehill in this game. One thing I like, is that he doesn’t shy away from contact in the pocket. You will notice he is in the shotgun spread formation about 85% of the time, yet he does step up and try to make plays on numerous occasions. He faces a fierce pass rush, yet he maintains good footwork and mechanics in the face of adversity. I also like the 60 series passing game, which in spread terms, is the bootleg passes, which are designed to get the QB outside of the pocket, and throw on the move. I though he had some nice balls on the roll-out; some of which were not caught by the reciever. He did have some arant passes, but most of the balls looked ok.

Now, on the negative side, I noticed that most of the plays are 90 protection, which in terms of a spread, means a three step passing. Now, you may think how can it be 3 step passing when he’s already in the shotgun, so let me explain. Fron the gun, Tannehill recieves the snap, take one “clear step”, his plant step, and then delivers. It is designed for the linemen to hold their block for 3-4 sec, and mostly encompasses short in intermediate routes, with many slants, seams, quick outs, hitches, stops and arrows, mixed in with various bubble screens and flares. My guess is this was done by design, due to the LSU pass rush. It is of the upmost importance, on these type of routes, that the QB can read the defense both pre, and post snap. There is a set rule of progressions a QB must go through in this type of quick set offense, and I see Tannehill mis-reads the defense on quite a few pass attempts in this game. It is very important to look off weakside defenders, and come back to the strong side reciever, but far too often, I see Tannehill lock onto one reciever, and this results in some costly turnovers, and passes being defended.

Another concern is the deep out on the opposite hash. I saw the ball floated a few times, which concerns me a bit. He did make a couple of nice comeback routes, where the ball arrived on time, and with accuracy, but some looked to have too much air under them.

I’ll let you guys decide what you can take away from this. These are just my observations. Like I said, I felt is was worth posting for the reasons mentioned above. In his entire college career, this team is the closest one you’ll see to an NFL calibur D.

Here are the stats from the game

Tannehill – 22 of 35 204 yards 2TD’s, 3 INT’s, long of 21 yards

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