There seems to be a lot of division among Redskins fans about what to do at QB. Me? I would actually be perfectly OK with a handful of the alternatives that have been bandied about.
PART I: Preferred
In NO particular order, here are the three moves that I would be pleased with:
1. Signing Peyton Manning
OR
2. Trading up from #6 for Robert Griffin III
OR
3. Trading down from #6 to stock up on picks, and using one to draft a lower-tier Tannehill-Foles-type QB.
Any of those 3 are fine by me. I feel like there's a major battle going on between proponents of the first option and of the second option, but I think either is good under the correct circumstances. And any caveats are somewhat irrelevant to me: if Manning won't sign for less than $30M guaranteed or whatever, then just pick a different option; if the Rams want too much for the second pick, then pick a different option.
PART II: If You Must
Shanahan, Shanahan & Allen could find themselves stuck at #6 in the draft and unable or unwilling to get Peyton Manning. In that scenario, the next two options are acceptable.
4. Picking a non-QB at 6, and drafting a QB in the second round if there's still one you like available. I'd also be OK in theory with trading back into the first round if there's a guy you really like, but that didn't exactly work out the last time it was tried (Campbell).
OR
5. Signing Matt Flynn, and picking a non-QB at 6. I fear that Flynn is more likely to be the next Scott Mitchell rather than the next Matt Schaub, but if the 4 options above don't work, I'd be okay with the Flynn option, if the price is right.
PART III: For the love of all that is good and right, please don't do any of these.
The cynic in me suggests that any of these options is merely a ploy to get into position to draft Matt Barkley in 2013.
6. Signing Kyle Orton. The only thing that could be said for this option is that it is not as bad as the others below. But it would still suck. (If you thought Campbell had OK stats but couldn't win...)
Of course, I didn't exhaust all the possibilities in my first five scenarios. The worst case scenario in my mind is: Cleveland trades up for Griffin, nobody wants to trade for the sixth pick, and Flynn signs with Miami, and Manning with, say, Arizona. Would I accept Kyle Orton in that scenario? I guess I'd have to. But I'd also accept watching the UFL in that scenario.
Now for the two real stinkers:
7. Reaching for a QB at #6. (Unless Griffin falls into the Redskins' laps, but then it's not a reach, right?) In Don Banks' (SI) first mock draft, he had Washington picking Tannehill at #6. My innards immediately began to rot.
But at least Option 7 would not mean:
8. Going into camp with a Grossman-Beck competition at quarterback. In this scenario, I would strongly consider switching allegiances to my dad's team: the Giants.
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Im with you heard them all love them all just get our damn QB
Daddyssanchez - February 13, 2012
I saw that mock and cringed
but I suspect by the time draft day gets here ,especially if he has a strong pro day people will be saying the redskins will take tannehill at 6. lets just hope its the same people who said " the Redskins are trying like crazy to trade up to draft Gabbert"
taylor21 - February 13, 2012
All it really take is one team, to fall in love with one player
to have that player move up far more than they are worth(see Christian Ponder 2011). That being said, I don’t think we will take Tannehill that high, especially when a QB who is more ready to play, and a better prospect(Weeden), can be had in the 2nd.
If in a failed attempt to trade up for either Luck or Rg3, or trade back for more picks, we end up stuck picking at #6, I’d have to say we should go CB(either Claiborne or Kirkpatrick – one of whom should be there). This is where we would see our greatest value IMO.
Tiller56 - February 13, 2012
I agree
Lately Ive started to view CB as a much Safer pick at 6 than Tackle or WR based on the success of top Cb’s compared to the top WR’s and T’s. I would prefer claiborne as I think Kirkpatrick can probally be had in the teens
taylor21 - February 13, 2012
I have doubts that claiborne makes it past the Bucs
so that is why I say Kirkpatrick too at 6. I think he’s worthy of a top 10 pick. He is a very physical CB, and could be a huge asset is man over and cover 2 zone(which Has runs a lot).
Tiller56 - February 14, 2012
Yes, but can we have the risk of adding
Another pot smoker to our current two who are one mistake away from one year suspension?
Skins Fan '77 - February 14, 2012
He was just aquitted
Tiller56 - February 14, 2012
I just knew that someone would bring this up
Of course he was acquitted, what SEC football player ever gets convicted?
You really have to screw up even worse than the NFL player to get indicted.
You really don’t think that the guy in the car with him (let’s call him a fall guy) isn’t going to get paid out of that first signing bonus?
I know you are not this naïve.
Skins Fan '77 - February 14, 2012
I know your not that naive
to think that more that 1/2 these college athletes down’t smoke pot. You would be very surprised to find out the number of college and pro athletes who smoke weed.
Are you not going to route for Michael Phelps this summer in the Olympics?
Tiller56 - February 14, 2012
I think you have missed my point
We already have two morons on the team who are one more strike away from a year’s suspension.
Kirkpatrick is also a moron.
I get a lot of recreational things in my 20s as well, but I was never stupid enough to carry amounts that would qualify me for distribution charges… and I do not have a lucrative NFL career waiting for me.
Just because the legal system lets you get away with it, doesn’t mean the NFL will–just ask Williams and Davis.
My concern is that it is hard enough to keep two players clean, if you bring in a third player with the problem, you are just asking for trouble (and you risk losing players who may not want to play for franchise that condones this kind of stupidity)
so yes, I get your point. I am under no delusions as to how much drug use is in professional sports–but if you cannot be smart about it and not get caught, what does that say about the player? How the hell do you get caught 11 times? My only answer is arrogance and/or complete stupidity.
Skins Fan '77 - February 15, 2012
The NFL is all about becoming a professional
hopefull this kid can realize this, and shape up. It wouldn’t deter me from drafting him though. Many of our players over the years smoked in college, and never had an ounce of trouble in the pros.
I am bu no means condoning this behavior. I don’t like it, don’t do it, and hope our players don’t as well; yet we allknow many of them do.
I hope they just remain smart about things, and can remain a professional.
Tiller56 - February 15, 2012
I agree, that it only takes one team...
we just can’t afford to be the team that makes that move, that is criticized by practically everyone for a talent that is perceived much lower. If we need to accept pick #6 – NO QB there.
(Don’t misunderstand what I am saying, I do think a trade up for RG3 is WORTH it, since he is evaluated a talent that high and we are only moving up 4 spots.)
jgibbsfan1 - February 14, 2012
I'm with you, especially on the Weeden pick
If we trade up for RG3/Luck, I’ll live with it because that’s Shanny’s decision. Otherwise, if we don’t solve the QB problem through free agency, I want Weeden, since he has the best chance to be a starter next season. I hadn’t really thought much about CB at #6, but in terms of value, there should be a best player available at that draft position. It remains to be seen what “best player available at a position of need” is there for us.
Honestly, I think we either trade up or back: I don’t see us stuck at #6 with nobody wanting to trade up. At #6, it’s very likely the best RB is there, or best CB, or maybe even the best WR. (best as far as prospect grade obviously)
My ideal scenario:
1. We trade back and pick up another 2nd. With the later 1st we trade for, we get an OT.
2. With the 2nd we acquired, we get Weeden
3. With our other 2nd, we go CB (best CB pick available)
4. With our 3rd, grab another WR to develop
5. From here out, I want us to look at SS, ILB, and potentially a diamond-in-the-rough RB (since I heard they still want to add another RB)
Of course, we have free agency before the draft to address a few holes. So that will likely change my plan. But for now, I would be ecstatic if this is how it played out.
willster - February 14, 2012
Presuming the Team gets T, G, and/or C in free agency, your draft picks would be OK. The Team may also pick up
some UDFAs, possibly Chas Alecxih (DT), Kelcie McCray (SS), Derek Dennis (OG), Jarrett Boykin (WR), Darron Thomas (QB), D.J. Holt (ILB), Taylor Thompson (DE), Joe Looney (OG), and B.J. Coleman (QB)
Jefferson1935 - February 14, 2012
Yeah, I figure that leaves room for about 3 nice FA acquisitions
Guard looks strong based on all the names being thrown around. We have great cap space, and should be able to grab 2 or 3 starters in FA. It’s funny really: free agency is going to clear so much up. Consider how many teams are QB-needy right now, and how many QB’s are in the pool. The next month can’t go by fast enough. Then we should have a much better picture of how the draft will shake out.
willster - February 14, 2012
I think they would only get Orton if
they fully intended to get one of the “second tier” QBs (Tannehill, Foles, Weeden or whoever). In effect, Orton would just be replacing Rex as a sort of caretaker. Actually, too, Orton would be in place of Manning. I think they should grab one of the second tier QBs in almost all scenarios except trading up for RG3. That will be easier if they like more than one of the second tier guys, because then they could afford to wait until the second round to take him. If it absolutely had to be, say, Tannehill, they might have to jump early so as not to risk losing him.
A huge stretch to take, say, Tannehill at 6 could still be reasonable if they filled a lot of the other needs (OT, WR, safety) in FA, and they seriously doubted that anybody they wanted would be available after, say, #15. Another big fact of life – they have to decide on Manning very quickly, and probably pretty fast on Flynn and Orton. So the draft could be a bit of a no-brainer for QB. If they don’t get any QB in FA, it would be clear (I hope) that they were gunning for RG3 or Luck, and were confident of getting one of them.
Donnio1234 - February 13, 2012
yeah, I can see that if they sign Orton. but I imagine any trade the Rams make won’t happen until draft day, though; so they might have to sign Orton before they’re sure they can’t get Griffin; but I doubt Orton would want to sign on for anything less than a starting job.
I dunno. It’s definitely up in the air. I just want a solution I can be pleased with. And I hope that whatever they do works, even if it’s a move I don’t like initially ;)
hscer - February 13, 2012
One thing I assume here
The Rams are not taking a QB at #2(if they shocked the world and did, there would be another one avaliable in Bradford). I would imagine some team is definitly going to trade up; it just makes sense for the Rams, who have 3 major needs, to get as many picks as they can. The 4 or 6 spot seems most logical. Saying that, I have serious doubts that Holmgren trades away all those picks he just worked so hard to get in the Atloanta trade. This man loves picks more than Santa love cookies and milk.
My guess is Holmgren has 3-4 players on his big board. I assume RG3 would be one, but only if he were to fall to 4. I’d have to think with the loss of Hillis, that a kid like Richardson would be be there too. I’d say definitly Blackmon, as the Browns may have a worse WR corps that we do(haha – hard to imagine right!) I would also guess(and this is just a guess), that if somehow RG3 fell to the 4th pick, that Holmgren would be on the phone trying to deal that pick to the highest bidder. I think this is the least likely scenerio, because I see the Rams making a trade, but stranger things have happened.
Tiller56 - February 14, 2012
Put yourself in the Rams' shoes.
You’re sitting on a gold mine right now. It would almost be stupid for them not to trade away that pick. I have full confidence the Skins are going to grab Griffin.
iH8dallas - February 14, 2012
Im with you %100
We will trade up and get RG3 no doubt in my mind , the deal is probaly already done but no ones knows yet and i believe we will shock alot of people on who we draft this year .
Ithink this years draft is going to be one of the best show stoppers yet , if we dont get rg3 i think it will be the worst mistake our team will ever do .
But i have confidence in shanny/ allen to do the right thing and finially bring in a good QB in RG3 and let him loose and tear some records up in his first year .
I even think he will be rookie of the year on top of it , and the good thig also will be watch how santana moss career be resurected with RG3 .
What also would be great to would be what if we try and go get randy moss ? he wants to come out of retirement so why not get him to fill in at wide reciever until we can find another one maybe in a few years then we will tear some teams up .
washingtonwin - February 14, 2012
sometimes i wish the Redskins would trade up and draft RG3 just so you 2 could see how amazingly wrong you are about him
Jeff Bernard - February 14, 2012
And how do you know this Jeff?
Tiller56 - February 14, 2012
because i've been watching football since i was a kid, so lets call it about 25 years or so
The number of times i have been wrong on high profile skill players and QBs i could count on one hand. Evaluating players and their transition to the pros is an art more than a science so to answer your question with specifics is impossible. I firmly believe(yes it is only a belief because i’ve never seen the future) RG3 will not be very good in the pros. Is it possible he carves out a nice little career and has productivity like a Jason Campbell or Jake Delhomme? Absolutely. Will he ever have the impact of even an Aaron Rodgers or even a Michael Vick? Not a snowballs chance in hell. He is not the runner that people on this site pretend he is and he is not the passer that his high completion percentage would lead someone to believe. The great part about this debate is there will be a definitive answer. You have staked your position that he is worth trading up for and i have staked my position that if he is taken anywhere near the top 5 he will go down as a bust(relative to his draft position). Only one of us can be right.
Jeff Bernard - February 14, 2012
So you say in you comment above, “I firmly believe(yes it is only a belief because i’ve never seen the future) RG3 will not be very good in the pros”, yet you are very definitive that he will never have the impact of a highly regarded QB – like Rodgers.
Also, when does “watching football since I was a kid”, qualify as being an expert on player analysis? The reason I ask, is because the guys who do this for a living, and many of them played pro football, seem to think otherwise. Why should I believe you over them, and my own eyes? Please engage me. I know you have went public, and posted some examples before, but maybe a fan post, as to what you see that makes you think that RG3 is not all he’s cracked up to be would be a good idea, and would certainly incite some debate, possible swinging some people towards your side of the fence.
Tiller56 - February 15, 2012
It doesn't qualify me as an expert nor would i ever claim to be one
With that being said the long, long, long history of 1st round busts proves that the “experts” don’t have a record which inspires confidences. What makes experts “experts” is their ability to judge players in the later rounds. They study way more players than i would ever want to study. Also experts are much better than I am in studying lineman because they are aware of subtle techniques and intricacies of that position that i have no interest in. That is one of the reasons you will never see me seriously argue for one lineman over another.
Now, i do not believe RG3 will be successful and since i am not a soothsayer you are correct that i am too definitive in saying he will not have an impact. The only reason i was being definitive is because i seriously believe that drafting and especially trading up for him would be a terrible, terrible mistake for the franchise that i have loved for 30 years.
Jeff Bernard - February 15, 2012
Thanks for the clairification
before this season, I knew veru little of Griffin myself, but as the legend grew, I paid more and more attention to his game; and I became impressed.
Here are some interesting comments from John Keim about how he could work:
I’ve personally tried to dispell everything Keim said here, through film, and listening to interviews, but in all my trying, I can’t seem to find any evidence to the contrary. I simply see everything he says as true – and believe me, I tried my hardest to find evidence against it.
The only thing I can point to, that has me question Griffin at all, is the fack that he came from the spread/zone read.
Some people point to his size, but at 6’ 2" 220(and I honestly think he does measure in at this), I don’t see that being an issue at all. That’s the same size as Aaron Rodgers. He may take some hits in the NFL due to the fack that he’s looking to extend plays, but the kid is very physical, and I think his body can take it. Hell, there are RB in the NFL with less body mass.
Tiller56 - February 15, 2012
any prospect can be a bust, even the mighty Andrew Luck
stating RG3 will be a bust without being able to cite a single specific reason other than “i’ve watched football since I was a kid” isn’t much of a prediction.
DCrez - February 15, 2012
But wouldn't you agree that RG3 is far more likely to be a bust in the NFL than Andrew Luck?
StephanHart - February 15, 2012
Nope.
I’d bet there are teams now that think RG3 is the better prospect.
I’m not saying he is, I’m saying that “far more likely to be a bust” does not apply, the separation between the two (whatever it is) is not that great.
DCrez - February 15, 2012
Exactly
A lot of times players bust because of a lack of work ethic, and dedication. I don’t think that’s the case with RG3
Tiller56 - February 15, 2012
I cant believe that you can say with a straight face that the probability of success in the NFL is the same for Luck and Griffin
StephanHart - February 16, 2012
Why?
They both possess the same attributes.
Tiller56 - February 16, 2012
Comparison
Andrew Luck has been touted since his freshman year as one of the greatest QB prospects since Peyton Manning. He has made Stanford relevant in PAC-10, playing against some of the top programs in the country, with consistent stellar play for 3 years.
RG3 had one great season where he shined playing against some of the worst defenses in college football.
I understand RG3’s potential is through the roof because of his athletic ability, but I just don’t understand how you would not be able to admit that Andrew Luck has a far better chance to be a successful NFL QB.
StephanHart - February 16, 2012
What does Luck actually do better than RG3?
forget the hype and the fact you have been told for 3yrs he is the greatest thing ever….what does he actually do on the field that is so much better than what Griffin does? Arm strength? Nope. Accuracy? Nope. Mobility? Nope. Reading defenses? Uh, they’re college teams outside the SEC none of the defenses are that special.
So what is it EXACTLY that makes Luck so much better?
DCrez - February 16, 2012
Thanks DC
you said everything I was going to say
Tiller56 - February 17, 2012
Why does no one consider the option
David Garrard?
I realize he is 34, but is that really a big deal for what we are looking to fill? (Stop gap)
his skills translate directly into Shanahan’s offense, he is a high character guy, and he is one year removed from a Pro bowl appearance.
What is there not to like?
Skins Fan '77 - February 14, 2012
I will pretend you did not say that...
jgibbsfan1 - February 14, 2012
What don't you like?
Skins Fan '77 - February 14, 2012
everything...
jgibbsfan1 - February 14, 2012
Just my opinion, but......
signing David Garrard makes as much sense as signing a 38 year-old HOF QB with degenerative nerve problems or drafting a QB who will be 28 years old when the season starts.
ENsDad27 - February 14, 2012
signing David Garrard who sucks is the same thing as drafting Peyton Manning. Hahahahahaha
45% of Peyton is better than 125% of Garrard
Jeff Bernard - February 14, 2012
I don't think any of the options I listed above make any sense
sarcasm doesn’t always come across on the internet.
ENsDad27 - February 14, 2012
I'm with you SF77 .....
Sign Gerard , and draft Foles / Tannehill / Weeden .
EldonD - February 14, 2012
Are we really this desperate?
Tiller56 - February 14, 2012
at least some people are
What we have is 2 decades of frustration and 2 decades of (mostly) crappy QB play.
aFan4Life - February 15, 2012
Adding another decade of the same
is not the answer. That’s why I hope to hell we move up for Luck or RG3, or trade the Rams for Bradford.
Tiller56 - February 15, 2012
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