This morning as I do every morning I check for updated Mock drafts. I am noticing that a lmore mocks have us taking Tannehill at 6 because hes the next best quaterback after rg3. When I look up his stats im am extremly confused as to why hes rated the 3d best quaterback. I have nothing against him and he is talented enough that I dont expect him to make it past miami,seatle,kc, and the browns if they miss rg3 and fall in our laps in the second round . but a lot of people also think he might be available when we pick in the second round .
So the question is whats so special about tannehill compared to the other 2nd tier guys. here are the facts
http://espn.go.com/college-football/player/_/id/232059/ryan-tannehill
http://espn.go.com/college-football/player/_/id/235677/brandon-weeden
http://espn.go.com/college-football/player/_/id/238803/nick-foles
based on the numbers he's the worst of the 3. I know 1 year less of starting than the others but even with that his best year doesnt compare with weeden's worst as a full time starter. him and foles are actually closer in stats than him and weeden. I am honestly kind of worried that because of age that the skins might take him over weeden even tho hes not as good. I only see 1 decent year from tannehill and 29tds to 15 pics isnt really that impressive. So what am I missing HH someone please tell me why a guy who would never be considered a 1st overall pick should be the guy we take as our QB of the future?
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I'm with you...
leave all these lower guys alone. If we don’t solve the QB position this year (heaven forbid), then we should concentrate on next years class.
Four years from now, I doubt any of the second tier guys makes a name for themselves.
jgibbsfan1 - February 15, 2012
Weeden is quite a bit older than Tannehill
And Tannehill really is quite gifted physically, he was converted to QB from Wide Receiver, so he’s an athlete with a legitimate NFL arm. The production just hasn’t been what people thought it would be.
Either way I think all the 2nd and 3rd round guys this year need at least two years to develop, and are the kind of QBs you bring in to back up an aging starter for awhile, and then take over.
Nearl - February 15, 2012
This might no be entirely true
Tiller56 - February 15, 2012
I still say Weeden
Sign Gerard to a 1 year deal to compete with Weeden for the starting role . If we don’t feel we have our guy by the end of 2012 season , draft one in 2013 . There will be more top tier QB’s available , and less teams in need of a QB .
EldonD - February 15, 2012
That is not a smart plan wasting picks
you dont draft a guy in the 2nd or 3rd rd to go back the very next year to get another guy in the 1st rd. it is a waste of a pick.
Highspeed30 - February 15, 2012
technically thats what carolina did (even thou there was a new HC) they drafted Jimmy Clausen in the 2nd in 2009 and 2010 Cam Newton
I still say Jimmy Clausen will be a good QB in the NFL he just needs a team he fits in.
squigums - February 15, 2012
Weeden would be OK as a 3rd round pick, but the poll was for a second round. (2nd rd. value chart 510; 3rd round 240).).
QB is worth some kind of reach/risk given the Skins of QB play in recent years.
Jefferson1935 - February 15, 2012
This , coming from the guy who says , draft RG3 at all cost .
I’d much rather take Weeden in the 3rd this year . If he turns out not to be a good enough starter to go into the future with , Draft a 1st rounder next year to compete with him . I think Weeden will be good , but at the very least he should be a more than servicable back-up , for one of the 2013 QB draft class .
There should be less teams in desparate need of a QB , next year , and more top tier talent availlable , with Barkley , Bray , Murray , Wilson , and Jones on the board .
EldonD - February 17, 2012
that is just a wasteful picking a 29 year old rookie to be your starter
then turn right around and draft another QB next year with your 1st rd pick.
And you never heard me say draft RG3 at ALL COST. but i would rather trade for a guy with his talent and skill set then waste a 3rd round pick on a back up QB at best
Highspeed30 - February 18, 2012
they also said that there will be a lot of top tier QB available this year and most of them decided not to declare for the draft this year
squigums - February 15, 2012
Agree
I think we might be better off taking a guy like Cousins in the 3rd or 4th to be a back up, go next year with Orton, and see if we can’t get one of the guys coming out next year.
Redskin44 - February 15, 2012
Tannehill is only considered a late 1st round target because he was formally a WR and can run like RG3
Tannehill does not have a big arm (he never throws deep and when he does it is a inaccurate pass) and makes bad decisions. He can be accurate on the short routes but from what i seen he struggles with ball placement on intermediate throws and his passes sometimes sail.
I would take Foles over both of them. He gets a bad rep because of his record and his stats are not as impressive as 2010. Foles offensive line was young and inexperienced and gave up a lot of rushes he got sacked 23 times in both 2010 and 2011. The Wildcat defense was horrible and let up a lot of points and forced Foles to have late 2nd half shootouts. I mean come on the defense gave up on average 30 points a game and that forces Foles to throw every down and the opposing defense just sits back and watch him throw 50+ times a game.
squigums - February 15, 2012
you're right if Tannehill had been playing QB the entire time he might be challenging Griffin for that 2nd QB spot
Steve Shoup - February 15, 2012
I dont think so RG3 is much more accurate than Tannehill and has a bigger arm for sure. Tannehill even with experience I cant see going past RG3
squigums - February 15, 2012
possibly, but i think it would be close
Tannehill is more accurate than his numbers suggest, his receivers dropped a ton of balls this year which skewed the numbers.
Steve Shoup - February 15, 2012
Yeah
I have to agree with you squigums. They are in two different classes when it come to NFL prospects, with RG3 being far superior IMO.
Tiller56 - February 15, 2012
SOUNDS LIKE
we’re drafting a younger Grossman if we take Tannrhill. Big arm or not draft a QB that is accurate and makes good decisions .
future is now - February 16, 2012
yeah except he's vastly different from Grossman
Steve Shoup - February 16, 2012
I voted for weeden
not only because his numbers are the best but also the fact he not only beat but also outplayed Luck/RG3/and Tannehill when they went head to head
taylor21 - February 15, 2012
I voted weeden but.
Its not going to matter anyway because we will draft RG3 no matter what .
washingtonwin - February 15, 2012
Cant wait till combine to see who's stock rises and falls then at least we will have a better idea of who would be a good fit
squigums - February 15, 2012
Read up on Brock Osweiler. He might go before Tannehill.
Diesel44 - February 15, 2012
i don't see it
I know Kiper/McShay are high on him, but I think he’ll get a little exposed. Also Mayock came out today and said Tannehill is a 1st round talent and he really believes in him. For me Mayock is one of the best in the business, and I’ve obviously been a big Tannehill supporter.
Steve Shoup - February 15, 2012
I like Mayock too but even he says he will not start in the NFL for a few years. SO y waste a 1st rounder on a guy who is not gonna start
squigums - February 16, 2012
RGIII might not start this year
and people are considering giving up multiple picks to land him
Steve Shoup - February 16, 2012
I think RG3 would definitly start
Maybe out of attrition alone
Tiller56 - February 16, 2012
Agree. Who ever picks up RG3 will groom their offense and playbook around him and will have all training camp to install itt
squigums - February 16, 2012
I don't think we'll have to do much grooming
We can insert him, and I think he’s a pretty natural fit. Shanny like intelligence, Accuracy, Mobility and Arm Strength, to go along with being a good leader. RG3 already has these traits.
Tiller56 - February 16, 2012
which is a horrible idea to force a guy in there
Steve Shoup - February 16, 2012
Honestly I wouldnt give up multiple picks to land him. We have so many issues to hopefully address this year we need all the picks we got this year. But that is just me!!
squigums - February 16, 2012
Curious
What other of the “so many issues” do you think are major needs?
Tiller56 - February 16, 2012
we need maybe around 2 WR (one starter one depth), C, 2 OT, 2 CB, MLB, S
squigums - February 16, 2012
I'll agree with 1 starting WR
and I’ll agree with C and 1 OT. I’l assume you mean a MLB as depth, as it is pretty much a given we’ll re-sign Fletcher.
So I guess here are my questions(and please note we used the words “major needs”):
- Why do you say we need 2 OT’s?
- Why 2 CB’s(I’ll assume you have no use for Barnes, Westbrook and Thompson)
- Do you not like the young guys at WR (Hank, Paul, Austin, Robinson, AA)?
- Don’t you think we should re-sign Landry?
Tiller56 - February 16, 2012
To clarify
- Why do you say we need 2 OT’s?
We need depth at LT/RT and since most ppl have the idea that Brown wont be back and then we need a new starter
- Why 2 CB’s(I’ll assume you have no use for Barnes, Westbrook and Thompson)
Your right maybe not 2 CB. I like Barnes, Westbrook and Thompson but if we cant get them to start in a nickle role consistently then maybe a new CB to create competition would be a good thing.
- Do you not like the young guys at WR (Hank, Paul, Austin, Robinson, AA)?
Dude I love Paul and Hank. I have been high on them since we drafted them last year. Im still hoping Paul and Hank are starting next year. Austin did good in the preseason but couldnt do jack in the regular season so not convinced. Robinson needs more time to develop and could see him being like Armstrong.
If i had it my way I would Draft Michael Floyd at #6 and trade Armstrong. Then start Floyd (#1WR), Hankerson/Gaffeny (#2WR), Moss/Paul (slot).
- Don’t you think we should re-sign Landry?
I would resign Landry in a heart beat but we need to draft some depth. Also of course we are gonna resign Fletcher but we need to draft a MLB for the future and depth like you said.
squigums - February 16, 2012
So I maybe see 4 major needs:
QB – Obvious
OT – Depends what happens with Brown
C – I’ll agree
WR – Need a true #1
I think S is fine if Landry is re-signed, and we have depth with Doughty and Gomes. I like CB for now as it is, with Barnes as Nickle and Westbrook/Thompson as Dime.
So, if we look at FA, say we nail down one stud WR – Bowe, Jackson, Colston etc – Done
We pull in a stud G – Nicks/Grubbs(I know it’s not a T, but it goes a long way i helping our line
We invest in a true C – Myers
And we re-sign our own top 5 FA’s
We can then go into the draft needing 3 positions(QB, OT, and MLB)
If we trade up for RG3, and give up a 1st and 2nd in 2012, and a 1st and 4th in 2013, we still have a lot of picks to get what we need.
Imagine a draft like this:
1) RG3
3) Adcock OT
4) Fletcher CB
4) Marve LB
Tiller56 - February 16, 2012
what does Brown have to do with anything?
even if they keep him, you still need to bring a guy in.
And i’m one of the biggest Donnie Fletcher fans, but i’d hate that draft
Steve Shoup - February 16, 2012
No argument generally, but on safety -
reading about Laron, I really doubt that he will ever return to form – that is a nagging injury, he did not have surgery and is relying on some sort of therapy. Of course, if he does come back 95+%, he is fine. Atogwe also apparently has nagging injuries, to the extent that some actually wondered if he won’t get cut. In short, if Landry and Atogwe return and are healthy, safety is fine. But that is a big “if”.
Donnio1234 - February 16, 2012
actually i imagine the draft would be more like this
1)RG3
4)who knows
Jeff Bernard - February 16, 2012
See but then your going back to the old ways of Snyder wasting picks on one player cuz he might be great and blowing all your money on FA
If your gonna blow money away why not do it in the draft where rookie contracts are now much cheaper. I agree that CB we could wait on or at least another late round prospect. But Signing all those FA will kill any cap room we have.
I would take Myers his contract wouldnt be a big blow and Nicks as well. But as much as i want Bowe i imagine his contract will be huge and it makes me second guess it.
I like your 3rd and 4th round picks thou
I imagine it like
1) Floyd (cheaper than any FA)
2) Foles
3) Tank Carder or Audie Cole (who ever is available)
4) Fletcher
4) OT
squigums - February 16, 2012
i personally am not high on Floyd
i dont see nothing special about his game, no real speed to speak of i dont see him ever being a #1 reciever
Highspeed30 - February 16, 2012
i'm gonna bet Floyd is faster than Blackmon, he might not run like a 4.35 but i'd guess he'll be about a 4.42-4.46
Steve Shoup - February 16, 2012
I am not as high on Blackmon as most either
I just dont see anything special about Floyd, i never really seen a lot of separation or running after the catch ability, he is a big body guy that will go get jump balls.
Highspeed30 - February 17, 2012
Floyd is a physical freak
kind of in the mold of a calvin Johnson type(but not that good). He would be a mismatch nightmare for almost anyone.
Tiller56 - February 17, 2012
Have you seen his highlights!!!!! Let me show you
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9u9htfFUDjo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2ZSkKwdE9I&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tx8qek1bQxY&
feature=related
In these video he shows skills of a #1 WR, But not only does he show the skills of a #1 WR he does more.
He shows amazing hands and jump ball skills he shows great route running, speed and the ability to break tackles and keep fighting up field like a RB to gain extra yards. What more could you want from a play-maker.
No he doesnt have many Victor Cruz moments of breaking one tackle and burning 60+ yards up field but he can do it
squigums - February 17, 2012
I could live with that if Floyd is really that good
I’ve read several scouts question whether or not he’s a true #1 WR.
aFan4Life - February 17, 2012
He had some issues at ND
which is why you may have heard something. But on the field, he’s very good.
Tiller56 - February 17, 2012
what kind of issues?
real ones or silly stuff like not paying a traffic ticket? And did he resolve them?
aFan4Life - February 17, 2012
Off-field BS
nothing of major concern. Some maturity issues.
Tiller56 - February 17, 2012
He has gotten over it in his last year he took steps to avoid those issues and has not had a issue yet
squigums - February 17, 2012
Oh and obviously a QB. I dont expect all this to be addressed in the draft but at least most of it
squigums - February 16, 2012
This
is my problem with Tannehill
Tiller56 - February 16, 2012
Same
This is why I chose Weeden. If the only problem we end up with is that he can’t be our #1 QB for a decade, I’m willing to risk that problem. He can at least be a solid backup if he doesn’t pan out as our starter.
willster - February 16, 2012
Then we are without a starter and without a future QB and back to Rex/Beck show
If he is not the guy then why waste the pick. If your gonna draft a QB you draft them cuz they are the guy or possibly the guy after some work. Not a guy who has to start now then if it doesnt work out he is a back up and doesnt have time to improve. IMO Weeden will go somewhere like Arizona where he will compete with another QB who is on the fence.
squigums - February 16, 2012
So your saying Tannehill is going in the 3rd or later?
Tiller56 - February 16, 2012
I like Mayock too but even he says he will not start in the NFL for a few years. SO y waste a 1st rounder on a guy who is not gonna start
squigums - February 16, 2012
Has anybody used the Parcells test on these QBs?
I think Kevin discussed it last year. I don’t really remember the “rule”, but wonder if Tannehill might fail it because of not starting enough games. I think the top guys all had a 60% completion rate. On strategy and Osweiler – anything that drops the guy(s) we want lower, is good.
Donnio1234 - February 16, 2012
STATS
If the draft was solely based on stats we would not need much analysis on college prospects. The draft would be simple and easy to predict. The fact is no one can predict who is going to make it and when they will start and how good they will be in the NFL based on college stats. There is 50+ years of history to prove it!
skinsymets - February 16, 2012
I hope we don't reach for Tannehill with the #6 pick
that would really be disgusting. I’d rather grab an OL, CB or WR.
aFan4Life - February 16, 2012
I don't think we have to worry about this
He’s no where near 6th pick material, and I think our coaches are pleanty smart enough to see this. He’d be a trade back, or slip into the second option.
Tiller56 - February 16, 2012
Agreed
If we do decide to go for Tannehill, Shanny will move to the late first/ early 2nd
Redskin44 - February 16, 2012
We are not taking Tannehill at 6. Nobody is taking Tannehill at 6
I love Tannehill and think he is a great pick up with a pick in the 15-22 range. I would rather start John Beck than throw away the 6th pick on Tannehill.
Jeff Bernard - February 16, 2012
Realistically
from a pure talent standpoint, Tannehill is a 2nd round type of guy(due mainly to his potential). If you go by film, and production, he’s a late 2nd, to 3rd round guy. The reason he’s getting all this hype, is because he’s athletic, and has only been a full-time QB for 1 year. Coaches see what he did in that one year, and think, “hey, I can work with this kid, and in two years, he can become good”.
Tiller56 - February 16, 2012
This is were i get annoyed
If coaches and scouts think like this then I done understand how ppl can call him a 1st round prospect just because he is athletic. he is clearly a 2 year project player. Just because he is athletic he gets all this hype. But the kid needs a lot of work.
If i was the skins i would rather go for Foles or Cousins.
Cousins looks solid and could be a Colt McCoy type player with the right pieces be great.
Foles reminds me of Jake Locker last year both was considered a 1st round talent the year before and when draft day came Locker was picked high. I have a feeling Foles will be the same way
squigums - February 16, 2012
I agree with the first part
but I in no way want any part of Cousins, or any QB for that matter who resembles Colt McCoy. Foles, I’m ok with, but I’d rather Weeden if we miss on RG3.
Tiller56 - February 16, 2012
hahahahahah I feel you about McCoy but Foles has a higher upside to Weeden
We draft weeden and he doesnt pay out he is just a back up for the 5-6 years he has left. We draft Foles and he cant be a starter then at least we have a solid back up or future starter for a long time. I dont hate Weeden or anything but I have been watching Foles for two years now and i think he is better than Weeden. But that is just my opinion on Weeden.
squigums - February 16, 2012
Yes Foles does
but Weeden can play from day one(which means we don’t have to see anymore of Rex), where Foles could take a while.
Tiller56 - February 16, 2012
I'd rather take Foles even if he doesn't start right away
it’s not like we’re making a SB run next year (yes my Kool aid glass is currently empty).
aFan4Life - February 16, 2012
I think if we address C, G, and WR in free agency...
Foles can start week 1
ptowny - February 19, 2012
It could be rough for a while though
maybe not Gabbert or Ponder rough, but pretty rough none the less
Tiller56 - February 20, 2012
people thought the same about Cam Newton
look at Newton as a passer at Auburn, and basically none of it translated to the NFL, but he has the tools.
In addition to having pretty nice tools of his own, Tannehill has been coached by a WCO system, and his leadership, intelligence and work ethic are off the charts.
Steve Shoup - February 16, 2012
Out of curiosity, Tannehill was a high school quarterback, but as a prospect how many stars?
Jefferson1935 - February 16, 2012
I know he has 19 starts in college and he played QB for his junior and senior year in high school so maybe 25-30 starts at QB
squigums - February 16, 2012
Tannehill was a 3 star prospect
and the #58th ranked High School QB
Tiller56 - February 16, 2012
Haha, well now you're just talking crazy, Jeff
StephanHart - February 16, 2012
yes it was a little hyperbolic but i just don't think Tannehill is worth a #6 pick. Mid first round sure, top 10? Nope
Jeff Bernard - February 16, 2012
I agree with you
He is not a top 10 pick. I’m OK with Shanny bringing in Tannehill, but really think we should trade down to get him rather than selecting him at 6th.
Offcourse, and nobody talks about this, we could end up keeping the 6th pick, taking a Reiff, then trading our 2nd and 4th to move into the later 1st rd to get Tannehill…that’s if we think he won’t last till the 2nd
Redskin44 - February 16, 2012
that would suck
I dont see why we would have to trade up for him . unless foles and weeden are off the board as well
taylor21 - February 16, 2012
Because
He is better than Foles and has much more upside than Weeden. and the above scenerio assumes that Shanahan has decided Tannehill is the guy he wants to go with. I dont think Shanny is going to draft a QB is the first three rounds just to take a QB.
Redskin44 - February 16, 2012
How is he better than foles. With the exception of being able to run a 4.4 40 he is subpar to foles
squigums - February 16, 2012
No way he's at a 4.4 40
maybe a 4.6
Tiller56 - February 17, 2012
Whatever you get what im trying to say
squigums - February 17, 2012
Tannehill has moved up from #26 to #11 on the ESPN poll from 1/23 to 2/17. Since Tannehill won't be able
to participate in the scouting combines and won’t have a pro day until after the combines, there won’t be any immediate workout with coaching staffs. It would not surprise me if Tannehill continued to move up to the point where he would not be a reach. In the meanwhile, Foles has done minor sliding on the ESPN poll. The trade down from 1.6 might not be a viable alternative for the Skins unless the Team wants to take another route.
Jefferson1935 - February 20, 2012
you love this bum Tannehill but you think Griffin III will be a bust
you lost all football talk credibility, Tannehill will pretty much be a career backup maybe a couple starts but his skill set is very limited.
Highspeed30 - February 16, 2012
Huh?
how is Tannehill’s skill set limited? much less ‘very limited’
Steve Shoup - February 16, 2012
To answer your question to Highspeed
he has upside right now, but that’s a big question mark, since his tape doesn’t live up to his 1st round billing yet. I would have liked to see one more year of Tannehill in college at QB(or at least a full season his junior year).
Tiller56 - February 17, 2012
I agree that Tannehill at 6 would be a big reach
but just today a couple of the most knowledgeable sportswriters on HH were discussing how Tannehill is figured to go in the late first round (anywhere from 15 up) to early second round. So there is a big chance that if we don’t trade down, we won’t get him. And even if we do trade down (say to 20 and something), we could still miss him. I.e., if he really is “the one”, they might have to grab him at 6. If you consider that Kiper and others taking Claiborne (a CB) at 6, I’d say, no problem. Who do you want more, the young QB of choice, or a CB to back up Hall and Wilson? Some casually say that Tannehill is a “second round value”. Why? Says who? Something is worth what somebody is willing to pay.
Incidentally, I hope they do not get Tannehill at 6. Most of what I’ve read on HH suggests to me that he is riskier than Luck, RG3, Foles and Weeden, and should only be taken in the second or later round, particularly if they get a veteran (Manning, Orton…) to hold the fort till the rookie is ready.
Donnio1234 - February 16, 2012
I think claiborne starts
and wilson moves to the nickel we lack a bigger Physical CB that can match up with dez bryants and nicks in our division. If they draft tan I will support shanny’s decision but I just dont see it in him the question I have Why would a guy that would never be considerd a 1st overall pick or even a top prospect should be our Qb of the future. I would rather wait and take a top guy next year then trade up or guy who’s not ready
taylor21 - February 16, 2012
I would expect Claiborne to start also
aFan4Life - February 17, 2012
I think you guys underestimate Wilson
IMO, he was one of our best signings last offseason, and I thought he played very well throughout the season.
Tiller56 - February 17, 2012
If I'm not mistaken , Wison was ranked close to top 10 .
Hall was ranked bottom 3 . If either of them should be demoted to nickle , it should be Hall .
EldonD - February 17, 2012
Supposedly, Hall is a great tackler though - ranked near the top
Either way, I don’t think Hall is as bad as people make him out to be
Tiller56 - February 20, 2012
His perceived biggest weakness is one that can be improved with experience. I would be more concerned with people glossing over his unimpressive arm.
It certainly seems like the Redskins are going to get a FA QB (likely Orton) so that would make Tannehill possible since he wouldn’t have to play for a few years; however, I don’t see the Skins being able to trade back so they likely would take whichever young QB is available to them in the 2nd round.
I can’t see Shanny taking Tannehill at 6 because Tannehill will make no difference in whether Shanny will be able to win in the next 2 years. We’ve all learned painfully that a team cannot win consistently having to fight against a QB turning it over multiple times every game.
HogtieJim - February 16, 2012
"whichever young QB is available to them in the second round"
another key point. I’d love to know how Shanahan rated the second tier QBs (Tannehill, Foles, Weeden, Osweiler). If he rated them as essentially equal, it would really make things easier. We could use our first round pick and sit back and grab whichever QB was still available in the second or even third round. But if it has to be a certain guy – it’s going to be more stressful.
Donnio1234 - February 16, 2012
I am sure he rates all the 2nd tier guys as bums and career backups and he wont draft one just to say he got a young QB
he would take a guy in a later spot maybe 5th or 6th. BJ Coleman got about as much upside as any of the 2nd tier guys Foles, Tannehill, Weeden, Osweiler. you seen last year with gabbert in his lap he rejected taking him cause he did not see him as anything special.
I am pretty certain Shanny is salivating over Luck and RG3 cause both are natural fits for the offense, mobile, accurate, smart, and can stretch the field with their arm.
Highspeed30 - February 16, 2012
and how does that not describe Tannehill? or even Weeden?
Steve Shoup - February 16, 2012
I'm not a fan of Osweiler
way too many mistakes, and I hate his delivery(it’s Rivers esq)
Tiller56 - February 17, 2012
How can you call the 2nd round guys bums they wouldnt be as high as 2nd round if they didnt have potential
Guys like Foles and Weeden just need a little work (of course Weeden is also 28)
squigums - February 17, 2012
just cause they are rated as 2nd round guys dont mean they are any good
Like i said just look at the last 10 drafts and see who was the picked outside of the top 2 QB’s and you will see a common thread they all are bums and career backups with exception of Big Ben but he was rated as a top prospect, and maybe Josh Freeman
Highspeed30 - February 18, 2012
list of good and great QB after the 1st round in the past 10 yrs
David Garrard-
2002 4th round Draft pick for Jaguars starter from 06-10 and played pretty well for a 4th round pick
Chris Simms
2003 3rd round draft pick for Tampa Bay. Great QB and led Tampa Bay to playoffs and a solid season until the life threatening injury that sidelined him
Matt Schaub
2004 4th round draft pick for Atlanta/ traded to Texans. AMAZING Starter for the Texans since 2007
Tony Romo
2003 Undrafted… Really…. he has (annoyingly) kicked out ass
Kyle Orton
2005 4th round draft pick for Bears. Hasnt been amazing but a good solid starter.
Matt Cassel
2005 7th round draft pick for New England. Did good in NE and has been solid for KC.
Ryan Fitzpatrick
2005 7th round draft pick for Rams/ now on Buffalo roster. Great starter
Kevin Kolb
2007 2nd round draft pick for Eagles. Looks like he could be solid starter but jury is still out (>_<)
Matt Flynn
2008 7th round draft pick for Packers. Obviously kinda confused about him but his talent will be put to the test soon
Chad Henne
2008 2nd round draft pick for Miami. Solid starter for a couple years but injuries has stop is progress
Colt McCoy
2010 2nd round pick for Browns. Solid Starter since rookie year and if had the right tools around him could be great
Andy Dalton
2011 2nd round pick for Bengals. Dont need to say much
TJ Yates
2011 5th round pick for Texans. Great job subbing in for Schaub when he went down. Could be a starter in the future.
Tyrod Taylor
2011 6th round pick for Ravens. Future Mike Vick??
according to you outside the top QB prospects (i know you said top 2 but a lot of people say if they are not 1st round QB then they will not be starters) any QB is useless and is automatically a back up so…..
Here is a list of first rounders that suck
Byron Leftwich- 2003 7th overall draft pick… SUCKS
Kyle Boller- 2003 19th overall draft pick… was good but injury prone
Rex Grossman- 2003 22nd overall draft pick… do i have to say it… i will… SUCKS!!!
JP Losman- 2004 22nd overall draft pick….. BLOWS
Vince Young- 2006 3rd overall draft pick….. he is a BUM
Matt Leinart- 2006 10th overall draft pick… EVEN BIGGER BUM
JaMarcus Russell- 2007 1st overall draft pick…. REALLY
Brady Quinn- 2007 22nd overall draft pick… Has ISSUES
squigums - February 19, 2012
How did TJ Yates make this list...
and Andy Dalton didn’t?
ptowny - February 19, 2012
TJ Yates pretty much took the Texans to their first ever playoff game and Andy Dalton is right above TJ Yates
squigums - February 19, 2012
no, no, no, no, no
Arien Foster, the O-line, an improved defense, and the presence of Matt Schaub early on took the Texans to the playoffs – not TJ Yates. Had Schaub had be healthy, the playoffs in the AFC could have had a whole different feel.
Tiller56 - February 20, 2012
i agree but it doesnt change the fact he helped pull out two wins against two good teams Atlanta and Bangals which made them a 10 win team. Then in the playoffs he blew it up against the Bangals again
squigums - February 20, 2012
Are the Bengals really a good team?
Tiller56 - February 20, 2012
they were good enough to make there way into a playoff picture which is better than 20 other teams
squigums - February 21, 2012
Yeah, but are they what you would consider good?
Tiller56 - February 21, 2012
yes i think they are a borderline good team with a few more additions they will be a good team. Not SB status great but just good
squigums - February 22, 2012
I watched a lot of film on Tannehill today
and I have to admit he’s pretty good for as little starts as he’s had as a QB. Some of his decision making is suspect, but on the majority of those plays the defense was in his face a second after the snap. If we couldn’t land RG3 I wouldn’t be adverse to grabbing him, but I’d hate to use a 1st rounder on him, I’d prefer if he fell to us in 2nd round but that probably wont happen.
ipitydafu - February 16, 2012
how strong of an arm does he really have?
I ask because there seems to be some suspicion that his arm isn’t all that strong.
aFan4Life - February 17, 2012
It's around average
My problem is I’ve seen him float too many deep outs, and in the NFL, that’s a pass you can’t float. He can prob get the ball 50-55 yards downfield. I like to see better on the deep ball(60+). I know this may not sound like a lot, but believe me, it can make a huge difference.
Tiller56 - February 17, 2012
Oh I agree, we need someone who can throw a real deep ball
In this day and age you have to have a real deep threat even if you don’t use it that much.
aFan4Life - February 17, 2012
That's why I liked RG3, Luck and Jones
Each could make every NFL throw with ease. RG3, our most likely target, can prob spin it about 70 yards in the air. I’m assuming he’d clock in at around 63-65 mph on the gun too.
Tiller56 - February 17, 2012
Weeden is too old.
tw10 - February 18, 2012
So was John Elway when he won two super bowls.
Weeden has not taken the beeting of a normal 28 year old QB
Tiller56 - February 20, 2012
Good for him
I hate beets.
CJHutch - February 20, 2012
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