This week's tale of the tape focus is highly touted Baylor quarterback and Heisman Trophy winner, Robert Griffin III. Rumors today suggest that Redskins owner Dan Synder is "very intrigued" by Griffin III, so lets have a look at the film. First on the agenda is his game against Oklahoma. Griffin III went 21 of 34 (61.8%) for 479 yards and four touchdowns with a quarterback rating of 218.9. Pretty impressive stats, lets see if the film lives up to it.
Here we have Baylor backed up near their own goal line. Griffin gets little support from his offensive line in picking up the blitz, but doesn't panic. He waits to the last possible moment to make a throw and gets the ball off as he gets hit, showing incredible toughness.

But not only does he get the throw off. He completes it; and not only does he complete it, he passes up the easier pass underneath in favor of a much tougher pass to the sideline further down the field. Huge play for Griffin III to open things up.
A little bit later on, Griffin III shows his ability to extend the play, but then nearly throws an interception.
Griffin III does well to sense the pressure coming from the left side, and subsequently rolls to his right.
Griffin has a better option to the outside, but instead looks for his number one receiver, Kendall Wright. Now this is understandable. When the play breaks down and the quarterback begins to scramble, his natural instincts tell him to search for his best receiver. But in this situation he should realize he's covered and look to another target or throw it away.
Instead Griffin III attempts to force the ball into a very tight window while throwing on the run and back across his body (try doing that, it's not easy). In the end, Wright does a great job of sticking an arm into the defenders hands and knocking the ball away to avoid the interception.
Moving swiftly on, next we have a kind of play that Griffin III will see a lot of in the NFL.
Here you see Griffin III faking the hand off to the running back. He draws in a linebacker from the left side of the line, and has a blitzer coming from the right. Wright is running a "Y Shallow Cross", which is essentially, a shallow crossing route from the 'Y' or slot receiver.
Griffin III sells the fake, drawing the defenders in. He gets the ball out quickly to Wright.
Griffin III gets an accurate throw away which is caught by Wright. Then it's all down to Wright to get yards after the catch (he just so happened to break the tackle of the safety and get 30-40 yards down the field on this play). Griffin III will have to be able to see the blitz coming and hit his hot read in behind them a lot in the NFL, because teams will be sending pressure after him in his rookie year to see how he copes.
This play shows off two of Griffin III's best aspects.
Here he fakes the hand off brilliantly, making both the linebacker and safety bite on the play-action. His receiver is running a 'Slugo' route, where he fakes a slant inside to get the defender to bite inside and then run past him deep.
Once the defense actually recognizes the play, the safety is massively out of position and the receiver has eaten up the linebacker's cushion.
Griffin III makes the throw, even with some questionable footwork.
But has great touch on the throw, putting it perfectly into the receivers path. The receiver doesn't have to adjust his route or have to come back to get the ball. It falls beautifully over his shoulder and is an easy touchdown. If Griffin III can sell play action and then throw deep balls with as much touch and accuracy as these in the NFL, he's going to be a very dangerous weapon.
Another thing that makes Griffin III so highly rated is his ability to extend the play, but not just from scrambling, but stepping up and maneuvering while staying in the pocket, as these next two plays show.
Here Griffin III has a defender that is coming right up the middle in his face.
Griffin III calmly dips his shoulder (protecting the ball with both hands) and takes a step up into the pocket. The defender hardly lays a hand on him.
But it's not finished there, as Griffin III steps up, another defender appears in his face. Griffin keeps his eyes down field and fires a bullet before he gets taken down. The pass is very nearly completed into tight coverage, but is dropped.
The second example of pocket maneuverability comes later in the game and is much more orthodox, but no less effective or impressive. It comes on 3rd and 10, backed up near their own end zone with the score tied at 24-24.
The quick outside rush forces Griffin III to step up in the pocket.
Griffin III resets himself after sliding up in the pocket and delivers a strike to the middle of the field.
Where he connects with his receiver for a big first down. Yes the throw was behind the receiver, but it was a catch-able ball. The most impressive thing about this play is the poise he shows under the pressure of 3rd down with the score tied. A lot of 'athletic' quarterbacks would have taken off and run, while some others might have thrown it away or checked down. But Griffin III made the most out of the play.
However, just to bring the hype back down to earth for a second, Griffin does need to improve his decision making.
Here is the rediculous touchdown pass that was deflected by a defender and then caught by a receiver 20 yards down field. Griffin III makes a bad decision to throw into double (high-low) coverage. He has a man cutting in on the outside numbers to his right that is open, but he takes on the double coverage. He gets lucky the the underneath defender only deflects the pass, because in the NFL it would have been an interception and most probably taken back for six.
But to finish things off for this post, let me spark back up the Robert Griffin III bandwagon with an amazing, game-winning play.
There's 15 seconds left in the game, tied at 38 a piece, Baylor have the ball in Oklahoma territory. Once again Griffin III finds himself under pressure and is forced to scramble.
Griffin III breaks the pocket and rolls out to his left, all the while keeping his eyes down the field. He rejects check down targets and instead decides to go for it all. Throwing with questionable technique, and a big defender about to crush him, Griffin III launches it deep to the end-zone.
Amazingly he manages to throw his receiver open and completes the pass in the end zone for the game winning touchdown. If you haven't seen the video of this play, click any of these colored words to go watch it... you're welcome. But in all seriousness, how many quarterbacks playing in the NFL today could have made that play? I can't think of many.
So there you have it for Robert Griffin III vs Oklahoma. Make sure to check back later in the week for more tale of the tape.
2 recs | 177 comments
Im sold.
Jpage0024 - February 15, 2012
me too brother
do we have to mortgage the house to get this sports car?
Jorge Villadiego - February 15, 2012
i mean to put
the ONLY question is do we have to mortgage the house to get this sports car?
Jorge Villadiego - February 15, 2012
Haha.
Well the way I look at trading up to RG3 is simply that we have made a lot of mistakes trading away picks in our past and our knack for bringing in year after year of wasteful high cost pro-bowlers has led us down a path where we are unbelievably nervous about any time of sell the farm trade or deal. This is scary to me as well, but the ability of Bruce Allen and Mike to hit the reset button on how we acquire talent has me feeling very safe.
Is it a risk to trade up? Sure. Is it a risk to grab an older QB through FA? Sure. The difference in my opinion is that a young, talented, and eager to learn investment is a crap-ton better than an old, talented, and stuck in its way investment. Both can fail, but if it came down to simply those two options I’d go with the first type of investment. There are many options at QB later in the draft as well, but if we are going to pull the trigger they better be dead set on their plan to mold a 2nd or 3rd round QB.
If we address the majority of our offensive weapons in FA such as O-line and WR, then I see no issue with investing in a talented young prospect like RG3. You want balance on every aspect of your team, but I think the offense deserves an infusion of talent. Our defense can cope with an offense that can score down-field on every drive.
Jpage0024 - February 15, 2012
Not only could the defense cope, but we'll have a ridiculous number of sacks and picks with a good offense.
iH8dallas - February 15, 2012
True.
If the defense doesn’t have to worry entirely about winning games all by themselves, then they can allocate their resources to taking some risks and making great plays. Knowing that if you allow a score, your offense is set to come back and even it back up is something I think our defense deserves.
Jpage0024 - February 15, 2012
Seriously. The defense deserves to take the next decade off.
iH8dallas - February 15, 2012
couldn't agree more!
Jpage0024 - February 15, 2012
well said
Jorge Villadiego - February 15, 2012
Haynesworth took off enough Defensive snaps for everyone
StephanHart - February 16, 2012
+1
I’d like to ask Orakpo and Kerrigan what they think about teams having to air it out more…
My guess is Orakpo would laugh so hard at the question that it would force me into telling him that I’m taking the bus & he won’t see me at the pancake social in the morning.
Ohio Redskins - February 15, 2012
Look at the last Giants game.
With a good lead, they let Eli have it.
iH8dallas - February 15, 2012
Yeah man.
There are three ways to fire a gun at a moving metal practice target…
1. You fire as fast as you can without wasting time aiming and hit nothing. (Vinny)
2. You spend all your time aiming and by the time you go to fire the target is gone.
or…
3. You lead your target, squeeze the trigger slowly ensuring success (Allen)
I like target shooting, so sorry for the analogy haha. This is how I explained my thoughts on the Redskins draft this year to a buddy last weekend haha.
Jpage0024 - February 15, 2012
oh man that commercial...
they need to take time off from Geico too. haha
Jpage0024 - February 15, 2012
If need be, I say yes.
iH8dallas - February 15, 2012
Keeping in mind...
that RG3 will also need time to develop into the super beast that he has all the talent to be.
Jpage0024 - February 15, 2012
Cam didn't need time.
I don’t think RG3 will either.
iH8dallas - February 15, 2012
Yeah I mean...
basically even if he does need time, he has the discipline to mold into a great QB for Washington. But he could blow up day one. That would be great!
Jpage0024 - February 15, 2012
I just want some excitement back in the Washington offense.
iH8dallas - February 15, 2012
And i think...
the excitement this time is in a solid investment, rather than only Vinny and Dan name dropping excitement from the past. Donny was a huge story… BUST. Albert was a huge story.. BUST. Time to get some positive excitement.
Jpage0024 - February 15, 2012
Living in NC, I can tell you Cam Newton did more for the Panthers, not just on the field.
After the Clausen mess, that fanbase was dead.
Newton gave them an adrenaline shot ala Uma Thurman in Pulp Fiction.
iH8dallas - February 15, 2012
yeah it's funny how many people say "Cam didnt even make the playoffs"
you talk to any Panthers fan and they sound like they won the SB, or more accurately, are expecting to win 4 SBs
DCrez - February 15, 2012
Watching the Panthers, I can tell you that was the most spectacular losing record I've ever seen.
iH8dallas - February 15, 2012
If the panthers....
build around him successfully. That team could be on its way back in no time.
Jpage0024 - February 15, 2012
No doubt. If they get a couple defensive linemen, a good corner
and maybe someone to play beside Beason (IR last year) they’re going to crush heads in the South.
iH8dallas - February 15, 2012
Also...
Aside from our losing record, I felt much like this for the Skins this season. Say what you want about our team but it was for the most part edge of your seat positive improvements.
Jpage0024 - February 15, 2012
he also had a slew of doubters that fueled him to succeed
Jorge Villadiego - February 15, 2012
That can be a powerful motivator.
Jpage0024 - February 15, 2012
Throwing for 422 yards in his first game pretty much shut everybody up.
iH8dallas - February 15, 2012
If its up to me...
We address WR and O-line in FA. Trade up to RG3 (assuming they’re not asking for all the souls of the Skins fan-base). I think with regards to the Browns as probably our closest threat to securing RG3, I think their Hillis uncertainty is going to funnel their draft decisions towards RB and WR. Can’t say how they’d address it because I’m not up to speed on their options. But RG3 in DC with the right FA weapons makes me smile.
Jpage0024 - February 15, 2012
Well if he can do it against the 62nd ranked college defense i see no reason to think he can't do it against NFL defenses
Jeff Bernard - February 15, 2012
that kind of reasoning...
discredits ANYONE who played OK. Any QB, WR, RB…
Most college players are not NFL quality. Some are. OK is a huge program, with top talent routinely brought in and many of their players go on to the NFL.
So, I discredit your sarcastic inuendo. RG3 is a Great prospect.
jgibbsfan1 - February 15, 2012
Nope, it just discredits all Big 12 QBs
Jeff Bernard - February 15, 2012
I think i got them all and boy what a murders row it is
Brad Smith, Eric Couch, Josh Freeman, Jason White, Vince Young, Sam Bradford, Colt McCoy, Sage Rosenfels, Seneca Wallace, Chris Simms, Koy Detmer, Stephen McGee, Scott Frost, Michael Bishop, Reggie McNeal, Josh Heupel
Jeff Bernard - February 15, 2012
hey man, i dont see grossman making this play
and he beat the superbowl winning defense twice!
Jorge Villadiego - February 15, 2012
I guess all the scouts that have him at number 2 in the draft
missed out on what you told us? He should move down to 61st?
OakCityRam - February 15, 2012
I guess all the scouts who had Ryan Leaf at number 2 in the draft
Missed out on what actually happened? Leaf should’ve move down to 61st?
Do you see what i did there…
Jeff Bernard - February 15, 2012
And yet, that 62nd ranked defense still managed to get through
the Baylor offensive line and for Griffin III to adjust and think on his feet.
UkRedskin - February 15, 2012
So there is not one single play in the whole game where they get pressure and he makes an errant throw?
Jeff Bernard - February 15, 2012
Sure
But does one single bad play make him a bad player?
UkRedskin - February 15, 2012
Of course not
But does one single “adjust and think on his feet” make him a great player? This is the problem. You are breaking down individual plays against sub par competition and trying to extrapolate that to the NFL where every player is either bigger or faster or both than every player on Oklahoma. Even against that competition he has 61% completion. Let’s imagine that instead it is a middle of the pack NFL defense and the bottom of the pack Redskins offense as his supporting cast. How do you think that plays out?
Jeff Bernard - February 15, 2012
I'm breaking down what I saw on the footage I had access to.
I was trying to highlight aspects of his play that aren’t influenced by the level of competition. His elusiveness and his deep passing accuracy is what it is regardless of competition. There were a few bad plays that I highlighted would have been interceptions in the NFL. You can’t forget that outside of Kendall Wright, Griffin III carried that offense. His offensive line struggled to protect him and his other receivers didn’t run great routes etc, and he still put up numbers and won games. At the end of the day he can only play what’s put in front of him.
UkRedskin - February 15, 2012 via Android app
Not true in the least
His elusiveness is completely in relation to his competition. I’m pretty sure if Michael Vick played against high school competition he would run for 500 yards a game. Now being on the run against the Big 12 and being on the run against T-Sizzle and RayRay are not the same thing, especially after say week 11 when you have been beaten down like Ramsey, Campbell, Rex or any other QB who has played here recently. Kendall Wright was a top 3 wideout in the Big 12. His #1 weapon on the Skins will be Fred Davis. Davis is barely a top half of the league TE. His offensive line struggled at Baylor? Good thing he won’t have that problem here…oh wait our line sucks and will likely suck for the next 3 years if we trade up for RG3. His receivers didn’t run great routes yet the every game i watched they were open by 3-4 yards about 75% of the time. How many yards separations do our all-star wideouts get? Haha, that’s a trick question because our receivers suck and are rarely wide open.
Jeff Bernard - February 15, 2012
By your logic...
…college players should not ever be drafted because playing against college competition is not the same as in the NFL.
The Agent C 83 - February 16, 2012
By your logic...
…
college playersBig 12 QBs should not ever be drafted because playing againstcollege competitionBig 12 Defenses is not the same as in the NFL.There you go, I fixed it for you.
Jeff Bernard - February 16, 2012
Tannehill played against LSU in his 2011 bowl game(his junior year)
How do you rate that preformance?
Tiller56 - February 16, 2012
it started out pretty good but he was shaky in spots against LSU
I’m not sure if the LSU defense was awake at the beginning of the game. To me though, i take a decent game against LSU over a great game against the Big 12. All in all though i was pretty impressed with his performance considering his lack of experience at QB.
Jeff Bernard - February 16, 2012
The point of the LSU reference
was to show how he may actually look in a NFL game, since LSU’s defense is the closest thing we have to an NFL defense in college football.
If he didn’t really light it up(compared to other Big 12 QB’s) vs. Big12 defenses, what does that tell you when he hits the big stage?
Tiller56 - February 17, 2012
so what conference should you get QB's from? These are QB's drafted or played significantly in the last 10 years,and by the schools affiliation at the time
Pac-10/12- Rodgers, Palmer, Sanchez, Matt moore, Harrington, Locker, Bledsoe, Leaf, A. Smith, Plummer, Leinart, Trent Edwards, Clemens, Derek Anderson, Boller
Big 10: Brady, Henne, Trent Green, Orton, Brees,
ACC: Ponder, Whithurst, Brad Johnson, Ryan, Schaub, hasselbeck,
Big East: McNabb, Vick, Bulger
SEC: Campbell, Newton, Grossman, Tebow, Manning, Manning, Stafford, Couch, Cutler, Russell, Croyle
non-affiliated (at least at the time)-Dalton, Romo, Flacco, Fitzpatrick, Leftwich, Garrard, Pennington, Ramsey, Carr, Alex Smith, T. Jackson, Favre, Kolb, Warner, Quinn, Jeff Garcia, Roethlisberger, Losman, Fyre
Obviously the list isn’t comprhensive and only includes guys who have really played. Every list looks pretty bad, and while I know you might say the SEC, that list looks pretty bare if you take the Manning boys away.
Steve Shoup - February 16, 2012
How does the SEC look pretty bare?
You just listed Campbell, Newton, Grossman, Stafford and Cutler. I would take their careers over every single Big 12 QB. Please tell me which of the Big 12 QBs that were drafted that you would take over any of those guys.
Jeff Bernard - February 16, 2012
here is a list, i'm sure i am missing someone
Brad Smith, Eric Couch, Josh Freeman, Jason White, Vince Young, Sam Bradford, Colt McCoy, Sage Rosenfels, Seneca Wallace, Chris Simms, Koy Detmer, Stephen McGee, Scott Frost, Michael Bishop, Reggie McNeal, Josh Heupel
Jeff Bernard - February 16, 2012
also to make one thing clear
I don’t think there is anything intrinsically wrong with the Big 12. If there was a team in the big 12 which didn’t run the spread, or some variant of it, and had a more pro typical NFL style Qb i would be in favor of drafting him. However, the Big 12 is like taking a guy with success in the Arena Football League and thinking that means he will be successful in the NFL. Is it possible? Sure. Is it likely? Nope.
Jeff Bernard - February 16, 2012
More teams now are running a variation of the spread
it is rampant in College Football. Even traditional power houses like PSU and Michigan run it or have run it.
I think we have a mis conception of the spread offense, and it’s perameters. Maybe you confuse the spread, with the Urban Meyer zone option offense.
Tiller56 - February 17, 2012
I gotta agree with Jeff
How does the SEC look bare? Also, there are more non-affiliated schools that there are in a conference like the Big10 or SEC. Also, how do you consider those schools non-affiliated? There is the MAC, WAC etc.
IMO, the SEC has the most quality
Tiller56 - February 17, 2012
i mean look at this throw
how many NFL qb’s right now make this pass? Yes, in the nfl maybe he couldnt have scrambled that much due to lineman speed etc but the THROW is at elite talent level, doesnt matter who the competition is
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=ew6QDdBq0Pw#t=21s
DCrez - February 16, 2012
Now i can put you on the clueless list.
Lets see. You just said “maybe he couldn’t have scrambled” so we will leave out all of the juking and jiving he made on the left hand side of the field and just talk about the run to the right and the throw.
He threw the ball 30 yards to his right side while running to his right. I would say there are about 45-50 QBs in the NFL who could have made that throw.
Jeff Bernard - February 16, 2012
dont be a yardage whore
the throw is not about the distance, it’s about the ACCURACY while on the run…he dropped that right in the corner where only the wideout could catch it while he was at a dead run. If there 45-50 QBs that can do that how come the Skins never have one? RG3 has top shelf, elite accuracy when throwing on the run only somebody clueless would think otherwise
DCrez - February 16, 2012
top shelf, elite accuracy...in the Big 12
Rank Player Pct From To Last School
1. Colt McCoy 70.33 2006 2009 Texas
2. Graham Harrell 69.80 2005 2008 Texas Tech
3. Brandon Weeden 69.51 2008 2011 Oklahoma State
4. Robert Griffin III 69.51 2010 2011 Baylor
5. Chase Daniel 67.99 2005 2008 Missouri
6. Sam Bradford 67.64 2007 2009 Oklahoma
7. Taylor Potts 66.27 2007 2010 Texas Tech
8. Kliff Kingsbury 66.01 1999 2002 Texas Tech
9. Sonny Cumbie 65.48 2002 2004 Texas Tech
10. B.J. Symons 64.36 2000 2003 Texas Tech
So by your standards Colt McCoy must be even higher shelf and even more elite!!! Maybe we can just trade for Colt McCoy. Yippppy!!!! Fun with college stats.
Jeff Bernard - February 16, 2012
it appears you are analyzing based on stats rather than film
which would explain why you are so dead wrong about this guy.
DCrez - February 16, 2012
Now lets have even more fun!!!!
McCoy 70.33 drops to…58.4 in the NFL
Harrell 69.80 drops to…clipboard holder in the NFL
Daniels 67.99 drops to…only throw 8 passes in the NFL
Bradford 67.64 drops to…57.6 in the NFL
I won’t even cover the rest because its hard to compare their college completion percentage with their current jobs bagging groceries
This is what is known as a trend in a statistical analysis
Jeff Bernard - February 16, 2012
Watch. The. Film.
DCrez - February 16, 2012
and by film you mean the TV broadcast because you don't have access the the coaches film
Yeah i watched it. Have you?
Jeff Bernard - February 16, 2012
So you're going to completely ignore
the fact that Bradford’s offensive line couldn’t protect him and that his receivers dropped passes even when Bradford did an amazing job getting away a throw under pressure? Just saying he has a 57.6 completion percentage means nothing as it’s clearly not on him.
With McCoy, he could be the Browns starter again next year, he’s shown flashes but has nobody to throw to.
Chase Daniels is doing a good enough job for the Saints that he’s their back up to Drew Brees if he ever went down, but obviously he won’t start over Brees.
By your logic, Andrew Luck isn’t all that good either. After all, he lost to Oklahoma State’s 61st ranked defense…
UkRedskin - February 16, 2012
so you're going to completely ignore
The face that RG3 will also be playing behind an offensive line that can’t protect him and with receivers who drop passes even when RG3 did an amazing job getting away a throw under pressure.
This is the problem. RG3 will go to a crap team no matter who takes him. This is what it seems people are not taking into account. Can RG3 be successful in a situation built around him with great weapons and great line? Absolutely. Is that the situation in Washington? Not a chance in hell.
Jeff Bernard - February 16, 2012
With good FA pick ups at WR and O-line
and our salary cap situation, you are going to have protection and weapons for RG3
Jpage0024 - February 16, 2012
Well if by a miracle that happens before the draft then we can consider it.
Jeff Bernard - February 16, 2012
So what's your great solution?
OakCityRam - February 16, 2012
What's my solution?
That is easy. Trade back or take best player available. Build through the draft and FA and when we have at least a solid team then you bring in your young gun at QB.
Jeff Bernard - February 16, 2012
the redskins aint a crap team
we just had 2 big terds at qb this year :P
munson21502 - February 16, 2012
Thank you!
We struggle in some spots but that’s every team in the NFL. Our D is solid enough to be threatening when they have an offense that can score and give them time off the field to rest.
Our O-line can hold though it could use some more talent. However with an accurate and mobile QB who can strategically scramble outside the pocket we will have both bases covered in case the Line slips.
Our WR could use a stronger talent, but if the passes aren’t going straight to the other teams defenders or if Rex or Beck could hit in stride, then you can progress down the field and accumulate possession time so that the defense can rest and hell… even score.
Overall the Skins are blossoming into a threat if only they can get someone in the QB spot that isn’t either bad at reads or afraid to throw an INT. From what I can tell RG3 has no issues performing at a level far greater than our current crop of steamy crap at QB.
Our Salary cap allows for a lot of options at positions we need to address, but I’d argue that we aren’t going anywhere near the playoff without talent at the QB spot.
Jpage0024 - February 16, 2012
hahahahaahhaha
Hahahahahahahah. Hahahahahha. Hahahaha. Keep telling yourself that. We have bottom of the league talent at Kicker, O-Line, Safety, Wide Receiver and have Zero, repeat Zero depth.
Jeff Bernard - February 16, 2012
Thats a ton of H's and A's.
Sure we have depth issues. They start at the top of our roster. The top guys on our team cant stay healthy. So lets move on from them. The younger guys showed up, worked hard, and with a good QB, WR core, and O-line prospect in place could succeed without Cooley, Moss, or Landry.
Considering we lost what 8-9 starters by week 5, I would say we still played quite smart and solid minus the any given Sunday effect. With a smart QB at the helm, healthy starters that don’t break week 5 and upgrades at WR and O-line via FA this team will be something to be watched. My prediction is that RG3 can be our guy with all the right moves made. To see last season as entirely negative is not good evaluation. We lack leaders, because most of them are at home collecting a check from injury. If we land RG3 and he starts us on a track to an 8-8 or better season you’ll sing another tune. I sing that tune no matter if its Tannehill or RG3. At least with RG3 we get to see him perform before the draft. Tannehill not being available because of his foot worries me.
Jpage0024 - February 16, 2012
i don't think last season was negative
We establish a nice #2 wide out in Gaffney. He got a solid backfield with Helu and Royster. We got a very nice LB in Kerrigan and Riley. We also got another year in the 3-4 which will pay HUGE dividends this coming season. I just think we are another 2 years away from competing. Trading up and mortgaging the future is fine when you have a reputable team to risk it on. It is not smart when you are still a couple years out. In two years if we are solid everywhere with a nice amount of depth i will fully support trading up. However, that time is not now.
Jeff Bernard - February 16, 2012
every snap he took this season (and Barkley and Luck)
was on youtube up until a couple months ago, but for whatever reason all that stuff was pulled. So perhaps you missed out and are relegated to making absurd comparisons between RG3 and Mccoy based on the pure stats. It does suck they pulled all that footage
DCrez - February 16, 2012
Damn
Its really gonna tear you up if we end up with Griffin, isn’t it?
CJHutch - February 15, 2012
Nope
If we draft him then i will say he is the greatest QB in the NFL and that we are going 16-0. Same thing i always say no matter who the QB is.
Jeff Bernard - February 15, 2012
I guess I would have done the same(with a bit more realism) for Gabbart.
I’m glad we are on the same page there, even though we disagree pre-draft what kind of a player Griffin is.
Unless of course, you are being sarcastic, since it is hard to tell.
Horcasitas4 - February 16, 2012
He does that because he doesn't have an opinion that isn't negative
The Agent C 83 - February 16, 2012
I just say 16-0 every year during training camp.
There is no sarcasm in my above post. I love the team and will support whoever we draft. But because i love the team i don’t think RG3 is a good fit for us. If he was drafted by Pittsburgh then i think he would have the shot to be a really solid QB. Playing behind a terrible line with terrible weapons for a guy with these many question marks is just insane in my mind. We are actually very close to being a respectable franchise. Trading up for a hope and a prayer is how we put that in jeopardy.
Jeff Bernard - February 16, 2012
by question marks do you mean
elite accuracy, quick release, terrific arm, superb athleticism, and high character?
DCrez - February 16, 2012
yeah you are right. there are no question marks about RG3
At least not on HogsHaven.com
Jeff Bernard - February 16, 2012
i'm asking you to tell me what the question marks are.
DCrez - February 16, 2012
ill can answer that for him
1 health and size
2. what will it cost for us to get him
munson21502 - February 16, 2012
those are two good ones
Not to mention playing against the worst defensive competition in Division 1 football and playing in a spread offense.
Jeff Bernard - February 16, 2012
THIS, thank you for bringing a sense of logic, Jeff
StephanHart - February 16, 2012
UK...
When are you going to post something I feel the need to critique?
Awesome work. I especially enjoy your fairness, showing some bad habits that will need to be corrected, but definitely explaining the rare skill level RG3 has.
Thanks
jgibbsfan1 - February 15, 2012
Haha,
I try to stay as unbiased and take a objective look on everything as much as possible. But I’m sure there’s plenty of my stuff to critique.
UkRedskin - February 15, 2012
yeah like the habbit of putting *the the* in most of your posts :P
another great breakdown though:D
munson21502 - February 15, 2012
Do I do that?
Crap… I suppose I have to give you guys something to rip on me for. Previously it was using English spelling on offense and defense, but I’ve changed to American just for you guys lol.
UkRedskin - February 15, 2012
I don't know why people got on you about that. I mean, you're English right?
Who better to understand ENGLISH than an ENGLISHMAN?
iH8dallas - February 15, 2012
The TCU game is even more impressive
I think they pulled all those off youtube but they used to have every play for the whole season….RG3 faced pressure all the time, and in handling it he was virtually always looking downfield to make a pass rather than try to run. This kid is one of the most natural passers you will ever see, makes all the throws from any position, running, whatever….he is just a flat out stud, no two ways about it.
And it would surprise no GM if he ended up even better than Luck.
DCrez - February 15, 2012
I completely agree.
The TCU game was his best game of his career. Coming in, TCU had the best defense the past three years(according to the announcer) and was torched solely by Griffin. He made perfect pass after perfect pass, so it really didn’t matter how good their defense was. A perfect pass beats perfect coverage.
Horcasitas4 - February 15, 2012
Nice work man,
I’ll take him
theaction - February 15, 2012
Fantastic job UK
I think I enjoy and learn more from your breakdowns than just about anywhere else on the Web. Much appreciated!
Maroon and Black - February 15, 2012
Thanks.
Love this kind of comment.
UkRedskin - February 15, 2012
Another impressive post by UK
I would like to add that I appreciate hitting on some of the negative of RG3, because I get the drift that some think he is unblemished.
While I was already on the RG3 bandwagon, this article highlights exactly why we should be excited about drafting him even if we have to give up a little bit more than we would like to.
Ohio Redskins - February 15, 2012
I would like to add that I appreciate hitting on some of the negative of RG3, because I get the drift that some think he is unblemished.
What’s negative? He’s too smart? He throws too tight of a spiral?
There is no negative. It’s time for some old fashioned Snyder Ball- Outbid everyone!
iH8dallas - February 15, 2012
apparently you didn't read the post
Steve Shoup - February 15, 2012
Uh it has pictures. Why the hell would I read it?
iH8dallas - February 15, 2012
well played
Steve Shoup - February 15, 2012
No, we do NOT want that
StephanHart - February 16, 2012
Haha I will agree, it's time to pay up for him!
The article highlights some of the bad decisions he made in the game, as if not to say “He only makes good decisions.”
Ohio Redskins - February 15, 2012
Massive erection
CptChaosSidekick - February 15, 2012 via mobile
I now credit you for causing me to laugh out loud in my quiet office
Ohio Redskins - February 15, 2012
He got me too.
Again UK, these are great posts.
I know, I know – you do a ton of these, but recently McShay said the more he watches of Andre the Giant, I mean Osweiler the more he likes him, even possibly broaching the 1st round – if you get a chance….???
timith - February 15, 2012
Possibly next week
or in the near future. I’ve got RG3 for this week, but Dan Kadar on Mocking the Draft did a profile of him the other day. so you can check that out to hold you over.
http://www.mockingthedraft.com/2012/2/14/2797683/brock-osweiler-2012-nfl-draft-scouting-report
UkRedskin - February 15, 2012
Don't listen to Todd McShay. He's diarrhea.
iH8dallas - February 15, 2012
He's better than Kiper.
And they are both better than Mayock. Not that they are always(or anywhere near) right, but their is an order of credibility.
I still am scratching my head about Gabbart, though. Not that I saw much Mizzu football, but Gabbart never proved to be great in college and he never seemed like a great prospect.
Horcasitas4 - February 15, 2012
Kiper and McShay combined aren't even close to Mayock, what would even make you believe that??
Steve Shoup - February 15, 2012
Mayock the same guy who said Gabbert was better than Newton.
The same Mayock who said Reggie Bush was a once in a lifetime player? The same Mayock who liked McCoy over Suh? How did those gems work out?
Now with that said Kiper and McShay are terrible also but to act like Mayock is somehow on a different level is a little ridiculous.
Jeff Bernard - February 15, 2012
Mayock is what Kiper & McShay are, but he adds some ridiculous claims to just be a little different.
The ones you mentioned, as well as Berry over Thomas(which I apparently just can’t get over) are just made from show and not based on anything substantial.
Horcasitas4 - February 16, 2012
Kiper was saying most of the year that RG3 would have to be drafted as a receiver.
DCrez - February 16, 2012
Kiper is clueless
aFan4Life - February 16, 2012
I'm not a big fan of Kiper.
He also had Landry Jones rated in the top 15 for almost all of this past year. He clearly did not pay attention to big 12 football. With that said, with as much as they cover, they should be wrong a lot considering the amount of predictions/opinions they stand by.
Horcasitas4 - February 16, 2012
Mayock who also predicted that Aaron Rodgers would fall, and consistently has one of the best pre drafts Mocks
Steve Shoup - February 16, 2012
Mayock also said Reiff should not be taken top 10 in his opinion.
Tiller56 - February 17, 2012
viagra
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6JryHp0gJs&feature=related
orakpophobia - February 15, 2012
UK I would like to say kudos on another tasteful post.
I like your posts because you use pictures and drawings. No need to read someone’s psychotic ramblings and manifestos.
+1
iH8dallas - February 15, 2012
Cheers iH8
I suppose that is as much as a compliment you’re going to give out to anyone lol.
UkRedskin - February 15, 2012
FWIW
Copious 1 - February 15, 2012
They need help everywhere.
But they may not want to lose the chance of drafting a QB like Griffin.
Horcasitas4 - February 15, 2012
Possibly,
but I think that Cleveland has a good chance at keeping McCoy and building around him, because after all is said and done their Cap is not nearly as high as ours and they need to fill tons of positions. They have somewhere around 11 UFAs this season with no real WR weapons and possibly a RB issue. If they address RB and WR in the draft along with FA offensive weapons and maybe even a FA QB, then they have set the stage for putting themselves in a more future proof situation. They’re dealing with much of the same issues we were dealing with before the Shanahan Era. Where as they are in need of many, we are in need of offense specifically.
WR and O-line selections in FA for the Skins opens up more breathing room to trade up imo. I don’t think Cleveland can afford to trade up their farm, though I think they may throw an offer out.
Jpage0024 - February 15, 2012
The Browns might not have as much to spend as the Skins
but they aren’t exactly in a bad position. I think a rough estimate is they have about $32 million to spend. Yes the Skins have more, but they also have more free agents. Of the Browns 11 free agents only DQ’well Jackson and S Mike Adams are starters for them. Hillis is a loss, but I think they moved on from him months ago. The Redskins have to either re-sign or replace Fletcher, Landry, Monty, Davis and Carricker before worrying about other needs.
Steve Shoup - February 15, 2012
Not a bad spot,
but a spot nonetheless where they have to access much more of their team than we do. RG3 is going to cost us both, but just based on some articles I’ve seen it seems that there is a though amongst their fan-base where they would make an offer but that they don’t want to burn those draft picks considering their overall lack of offense and defensive weapons. I feel they’re more inclined to have a draft that mimics ours from last year. Acquiring more talent across the board rather than at the QB alone.
Personally I think we’re both in similar situations but due to our last draft I think we’re in a better position to want to trade up and secure RG3, if we pursue FA aggressively and find some real talent at WR and O-line.
Jpage0024 - February 16, 2012
This is exactly how I feel
however, I don’t even believe they make an offer to move up. I think they have RG3 on their big board, and if he falls to them at #4, they consider drafting him, however if he is gone, I believe they have a plan in place to go another direction. I think Holmgren stockpiled those picks last year for a reason, and considering he’s not one to trade away valuable picks, I believe the bidding for the services or RG3 will be between the Skins, and Fins.
Tiller56 - February 16, 2012
Yeah exactly!
That’s my impression from creeping on various Cleveland Brown sites. Some said they may offer a crap offer if they’re really interested in getting him, but most likely if he falls in their lap they’ll take him. I think that the Skin’s probably have the best chance of grabbing him at number 2, but I don’t know what Miami would have to give up to get him if they trade up.
Jpage0024 - February 16, 2012
i have a question?
why do you think that its not a good idea/likely scenario for a team with just as much misery at the QB position (a big point for you), and the W/L (actually worse b/c we’ve had more playoff appearences) record as the Skins, but it’s good for Washington? Esp. since the Browns have more extra picks and it won’t cost them as much.
Steve Shoup - February 16, 2012
I would argue as with some browns fans...
that McCoy hasn’t had the opportunity to prove himself with a good supporting cast. We’re sitting with a starting QB who had one good run years back in Chicago and has basically turned into a sack of cheeseburgers with regards to mobility, ball handling, deep pass, and INT’s. But our cheeseburger sack has solid running backs, tight ends, and ok receivers (when they’re all healthy). Something that McCoy would love to have but doesn’t. That’s the difference between our situation and theirs. They may choose to build around McCoy and give him another chance rather than burn picks, which again they aren’t big on.
The skins have hit their ceiling with Rex and Beck. I see them looking at RG3 hardcore and Tannehill as well depending on how Cleveland reacts in FA and the draft. My gut feeling is that if the Browns plan to use their 2 first round picks for help at RB and WR that the price of RG3 may not look so bad to us. Miami has a good chance of addressing FA for their QB considering that they would have nothing near to offer the Rams compared to us.
I’m not saying the Browns are guaranteed to stick with McCoy, but I think its possible that they could stick with him and/or pick up a FA qb. No one really knows yet.
Jpage0024 - February 16, 2012
The Browns aren't without talent
Little showed very well as a rookie, and Moore and Watson is a solid TE combo. Hillis and Hardesty were injured which killed the ground game, but as you mentioned the SKins had injuries as well. The Browns also have a better o-line.
Steve Shoup - February 16, 2012
Yeah they def have talent...
I just argue that it didn’t translate into scoring above 20 points or more in more than 2 games. With the decision on Hillis coming and their lack of WR I could see them choosing to use those first rounders for big productive players in those categories.
Both us and them are in similar situations, but I think we have prospects that though injured and learning still are going to be very productive this coming year or next. Give those guys a QB who can manage the offense without giving the ball away every other possesion and you have a good start to a winning team.
Jpage0024 - February 16, 2012
the Browns have no way to stretch the field
and it really hurts them as defenses hunker down close to the LoS to stop the short passing game.
aFan4Life - February 17, 2012
The Browns had a better draft than we did last year how does that make sense?
Steve Shoup - February 16, 2012
How was theirs any better than ours?
We had a higher winning record (not by much hah), they sit at 4th in the draft currently and we sit at 6th, they had no offensive weapons to give McCoy any chance to succeed outside of Peyton Hillis. And even he came off with a mediocre year. Win or loss, they had 2 games where they scored over 20 points to our 8 games. How is there any rational to their draft being anything but equal if not worse than ours?
Jpage0024 - February 16, 2012
The Browns got 4 starters (Little, Sheard, Taylor, Pinkston) from last year's draft class
plus Marieic is their primary FB, and Skrine and Hagg both showed some promise to be good depth DB’s.
Due to injury the Redskins only got 2 starters (counting Helu), beyond that Royster showed well. Hurt and Gomes played some but neither played at too high a level. Hopefully they (along with Paul) will continue to develop, and we’ll get our injured players back and producing, but those are all question marks.
Steve Shoup - February 16, 2012
Injury def killed us this year.
Jpage0024 - February 16, 2012
More cold water for he Peyton to the Redskins gang.
I think more than slavating about what team he will be playing, Folks should be hoping and praying that the guys just get healthy. No one wants to see one of the greatest of all time in a wheelchair.
Copious 1 - February 15, 2012
Yeah that would be awful.
I would be fine with him retiring rather than going the way of Favre by being squashed like a pancake in your final showing in the NFL. That was embarrassing to watch Favre basically beating a dead horse. Peyton can go out on top ad secure a healthy retirement, though I feel like hes going to lay somewhere no matter what. I just don’t want it to be here.
Jpage0024 - February 15, 2012
Play*
Jpage0024 - February 15, 2012
I was high on Robert Griffin...
but I saw a highlight tape today (the official Baylor tape I believe) and I was convinced one minute in that this is the guy. The character, athleticism, and intangibles are completely off the charts. I’m not a professional scout by any means but I was amazed from what I saw this morning. I mean I don’t know what else to say, a QB like this doesn’t come around every draft. To hell with shooting for mediocrity every season. I hate to be one of the crazed guys on here that go crazy over Griffin and trading up but I will be pissed if we don’t trade with STL or MIN to get him.
xocnodnarb - February 15, 2012
What you said.
iH8dallas - February 15, 2012
What did his character look like on film? I didn't even know you could see that type of thing visually.
Wow this kid is amazing if he can use some type of astral projection to show his character!
Jeff Bernard - February 16, 2012
WR and OL can be addressed in FA.
Young guys are out there that fit the mold of what we’re trying to build. It’s not like they will be stopgaps. If we can get VJax and Nicks then we can focus on drafting Griffin and getting some help in that secondary. We should go after Grimes or either Finnegan in FA as well. I expect us to use our salary cap very well. I know this sounds like a rehash of all the splashes we have made during the years but these are still young guys with a lot of years left to contribute for someone. This offseason should be intriguing to say the least…
xocnodnarb - February 15, 2012
I don't know
Whether or not I want to trade up for RG3. Can we get a fan post exploring the matter?
CJHutch - February 15, 2012
RG3
Or Buuuusssssstttttt!!!!!!!
Jiza32 - February 15, 2012 via mobile
Someone will trade up
whether its us or not. I’m very curious to see what the cost will be.
2up2down - February 15, 2012
Most likely it won't be what most people think.
xocnodnarb - February 15, 2012
there are varying ideas out there...
from ridiculous to reasonable.
jgibbsfan1 - February 16, 2012
GM’s sell high this far before the draft, price will invariably come down. But if there’s a bidding up it goes up again. We’ll see.
2up2down - February 16, 2012
God, this is terrible!
This guy is not the answer! Don’t you people get it! RG3 will become another Aliki Smith, or Jamarcus Russell. He’s not worth trading up for, especially considering all the other team needs. We need better linemen, not some flashy college QB!
I don’t care about UK’s glowing write-up. This guy is garbage!
Tiller56 - February 15, 2012
I concur
Big Spoon - February 15, 2012
Garbage?
So you mean to tell me if we had every other spot on our team in perfect alignment that you wouldn’t want a prospect like this to take over our QB position? I don’t see how RG3 is garbage. I can understand that any prospect could end up a bust, but the same can be said for Luck. Would you trade up for Luck if Indy took RG3? Or would we still need to fill every hole on our roster first?
Jpage0024 - February 16, 2012
You know I'm joking right?
Tiller56 - February 16, 2012
Haha.. my bad.
Jpage0024 - February 16, 2012
I don't even think RG3 is 6'2"
Tiller56 - February 15, 2012
Oh well see
He’s just big pimpin’ in that photo, while Luck is all standing up straight and what not.
willster - February 15, 2012
how tall is luck?
munson21502 - February 16, 2012
6' 4"
And I think that pretty legit
Tiller56 - February 17, 2012
I saw a picture of him next to Peyton Manning
and they are pretty close
Tiller56 - February 17, 2012
i think its pretty safe to say rg3 is really 6`2 then
munson21502 - February 17, 2012
Tiller- Who cares? We're not considering him to play center for the Wizards.
If this is your evidence and your reationale that he’s not hands down the 2nd best QB prospect in the draft then you’re once again wrong. Luck is 6’4 and RG3 looks to be at the most 2 inches shorter. My guess is that he’ll measure out at 6’ 1 1/2" which is more than adequate.
Diesel44 - February 15, 2012
Tiller is being completely sarcastic.
He’s become a huge RGIII fan, especially since Jones announced he is going back to college.
Horcasitas4 - February 16, 2012
Honeybadger don't care if you're taller, honeybadger don't give a f*ck!
StephanHart - February 16, 2012
He's like an in. under Luck, but does size matter much in a QB?
getmoneykid - February 15, 2012
It helps, no doubt
I mean, Drew Bree’s and Doug Flutie are more exceptions than rule. But the size thing on Griffin makes me laugh. He’s pretty much the same size as Aaron Rogers. Has ANYONE ever said Rogers was too small?
CJHutch - February 15, 2012
Copious 1 - February 15, 2012
Copious 1 - February 15, 2012
Damn that looks good...
skinsfan3636 - February 16, 2012
that arm angle doesn't
Jeff Bernard - February 16, 2012
LOVE THIS SH*T!!!!
Ohio Redskins - February 16, 2012
His footwork always annoyed me
Brutus89 - February 15, 2012
He's the definition of a Natural.
It’s an interesting question, just how much Shanny would want to change his footwork and/or mechanics and how much he would leave alone.
DCrez - February 16, 2012
He is clearly
6"2…..
Jiza32 - February 15, 2012 via mobile
Great job again, UK
Kid will have work to do but he clearly has the tools. Do we have the ca hones to go get em?
mkjo - February 16, 2012
Did anyone else see this...
“(protecting the ball with both hands)”
and get a little wet?
HankMonahan - February 16, 2012
Boingoiiniginnnoinning!
Jpage0024 - February 16, 2012
I'm new here...
But can we just draft him already?
SpursandSkins - February 16, 2012
thought i was the only 1 here who liked both the spurs and skins lol
munson21502 - February 17, 2012
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