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Why do you hate RG3 so much?

haha

I actually don’t’ hate him at all. I think he is a great college football player and i think he has a chance at being a serviceable QB or solid backup on the right team. What i hate is people, like yourself, who think he is somehow the greatest QB prospect since the invention of Quarterbacking. I wish i could Google search just the comments and find the number of times RG3 advocates mentioned his “olympic caliber speed” and “he wants to go to law school”. Two things which mean absolutely ZERO for NFL QBs. You people need a dose of reality so your little hearts aren’t broken when he flops in the league.

Bitter, party of one, your table is ready.

I forgot Jeff Bernard is the GO TO source for all things QB related.

You’re right, he’s garbage. He’ll be out of the league in three years.

Not what he said

You’re right, he’s garbage. He’ll be out of the league in three years.

StephanHart - February 16, 2012 reply

Wow

I said on the right team he could be successful and that means he is out of the league in 3 years. You are clueless in every respect to football and your comments on this site prove it. I always thought it was just schtick but now i see that in fact it is just your lack of any credible knowledge. You have now been added to my list.

Maybe I don't know as much about football as some people on this site.

Maybe I do try to add some humor to this place. But you are simply a sanctimonious dick who thinks his opinion is above all others. If I recall, the other day you said something about being able to count on one hand the number of times you’ve been wrong (about an NFL prospect.)

Well HOLY CAT SHIT JEFF BERNARD! Why in the hell don’t you have a show on ESPN, called “Being A Dick…With Jeff Bernard” where you look into your crystal ball and pinpoint busts and gems?

I don't think my opinion is above all others. Just ones like this

“And yes, I think John Beck starts from here on out and has a hell of a year.”
-IH8dallas

It's amazing how much you dismiss the guy without ever explaining what he is lacking.

search my comments. i made a big long comment about everything was wrong. should i repeat it again for you?

please repeat what is wrong with Griffin III as a QB prospect

He will be a bust
RG3 has a small frame, i don’t care how much Baylor claims he weights or how tall they say. He has a small frame even if he is 6’2’’ 220lbs. His speed from 0-20mph is vastly overrated. He holds the ball down by his knee when he is running around. He takes too much punishment. He throws off his back foot when he is scrambling around. He has only played against the worst defenses in the NCAA. He plays in a conference that is notorious for inflated QB numbers and busts. He plays against corners where a 5 yard cushion is considered tight coverage. He doesn’t take snaps from center. He plays in a spread offense. He pulls things off in college that inflate his value that he wouldn’t be able to pull off in the NFL. I think that about covers it.

this is my comment from about a month ago

All the things you point to are not Facts

if he is 6’2" 220lbs than that is a fact and we will see all his measurements at the combine, as far as his speed is concerned you again are speculating and we will see what he runs at the combine but he clearly has speed, i am sure faster than 99% of the Qb’s in the NFL now. This dude played in the Big 12 which is a BCS conference, you acting like this guy played in a DII or DIII school, and you are not taking into consideration that most of the teams that Baylor played had more talent then his team their offensive line was horrible so he can handle playing behind a sub par O line. Spread offense is not a knock against him cause he threw the ball a lot and a lot of people are talking about how good Weeden is and he played in the same conference and in the spread offense, the NFL is a passing league and his passing skill set was shown . this dude had more Td passes than incomplete passes after 3 games like 85%. And last taking snaps from center is NOT that hard of a thing to learn to do Cam Newton never took snaps from Center and he seemed to be able to make the adjustment in a short off season.

he isn't going to run at the combine. mark it down.

He has a small frame-FACT
He takes lots of hits-FACT
He throws off his back foot on the run frequently-FACT
He played against the worst conference in D1-FACT
Big 12 inflates QB’s numbers-FACT
Open in college is not the same as open in NFL-FACT
He plays in the spread-FACT
He doesn’t take snaps from center-FACT
He won’t be able to run around like he did in college-FACT

Now you think he can overcome all of those things and i don’t. PLease tell me which parts are not facts.

worst defensive conference

Love it - Inspector Clouseau

Donnio1234 - February 17, 2012 reply

how do you know he has a "small frame"?

It’s absurd you would claim that as fact, you have never seen him n person. If he’s 6’2" and 220 then dude is jacked, every bit as much as Aaron Rodgers and bigger than Drew Brees.

Throws off his back foot ACCURATELY while on the run is a plus. QB’s that dont need to set and step into every throw are BETTER than qb’s that dont have the arm to make those plays.

DCrez - February 17, 2012 reply

FACT

Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.

travisjh86 - February 17, 2012 reply

I think you make a lot of sense but only time will tell

squigums - February 16, 2012 reply

i saw something where you questioned his arm strength and speed.

assumed you were joking.

so now you are making stuff up.

Never questioned his arm strength. I said it wasn’t elite. It’s not. Never questioned his speed. Said he didn’t have the football speed people on here pretend he does and i said he was as fast(football speed) as Vick. He’s not.

was not as fast as Vick

you said his stock would fall when scouts saw his arm strength

Size and arm strength. RG3 will probably drop a few spots when he is measured

by Jeff Bernard on Dec 22, 2011 12:51 PM PST up actions

that certainly implies his arm strength is lacking, which is foolishness. As to speed, how many qb’s in the nfl are faster? 2-3? None? Saying someone isnt quite as fast as Mike Vick (in his day) is really not even worth mentioning as a critique.

will probably drop a few spots when he is measured

Read the comment that i replied to. Without looking if i remember correctly that was in response to Cam comparisons and they said what does RG3 lack that Cam doesn’t or something to that effect. I said he doesn’t have the size or arm strength as Cam. And guess what? He doesn’t. The part about him dropping was when he was measured(height and weight) at the combine. They don’t measure arm strength at the combine(at least not that i’ve ever heard of). Context is your friend. As for the Vick comparison people on this site have said he was as fast or faster than Vick. Neither is remotely true.

And i am correct again. Context is very important when you read something.

-Yeah but physical tools tend to rise you in the draft
Cam had them, RG3 does not. But like i said only one GM has to love him and he could go second or even first.

-A Heisman winner and a possible Olympic athlete doesn’t have “physical tools?”

-Size and arm strength. RG3 will probably drop a few spots when he is measured

This is in comparison to Cam Newton

If you don’t like RG3, I assume you don’t like any other QB in this class (besides Luck)? All of the other QBs are lacking in even more ways.

HogtieJim - February 16, 2012 reply

RG3 is the 2nd best QB in the draft as of right now

I think Tannehill can go on to have a better career but that is risk also. I think Luck is the only QB worth trading up for.

Ok just curious. Tannenhill’s arm is much worse than RG3 so I assume you just think RG3 is a big injury risk?

HogtieJim - February 17, 2012 reply

you're all over the map

guaranteeing he will drop in the draft while also saying he may go #1 overall. Definitively stating he will be a bust, oh except he might do well in Pittsburgh. And on and on and on

I think his evaluation will drop when he is measured but just like I said it only takes one GM to make a dumb mistake and he could go #1. Anyone could go #1 if one GM makes a dumb move. I am sorry that concept is hard for you to grasp. He will be a bust because he will be drafted by one of the worst teams in the league. If one of the best teams drafts him of course that changes everything. The point is a good team isn’t going to draft him, a bad one will. I am sorry you have trouble following nuance.

that is one of the dumbest things i have heard

Most of the Top QB prospects go to bad teams when Stafford was drafted the Lions was 0-16, your point make no sense but hey everyone has a opinion. It is just hard to question the skill set that RG3 have, and when looking at Andrew Luck he could very well be a bust especially based off of your take of going to a bad team, but some GM’s think that Griffin is better than Luck, and i think if he reaches his full potential he will be better than Luck but we will all see in the years to come.

you suck at reading comprehension

If a QB goes to a good team he has a better chance at success. Top QBs generally go to the worst teams. I am sorry this concept is difficult for you.

you are the one that lacks comprehension

cause i said MOST of the top QB prospects go to bad teams.

Andrew Luck he could very well be a bust especially based off of your take of going to a bad team

move on with your life

I don’t debate people who don’t’ understand basic concepts. Of course Luck could be a bust. And? What does that have to do with anything? Actually i don’t care because it’s tiring debating people who convolute one argument with another. Bye

you're kind of a jack-ass, huh?

MagicHat - February 16, 2012 reply

Haha

kind of ??

ENsDad27 - February 16, 2012 reply

it's how i roll

I'm sorry you don't understand the concept of making predictions.

When you guarantee that a player will drop in the draft but then also say he might be taken #1 overall (ahead of Luck??) you really are just talking out of your ass.

DCrez - February 17, 2012 reply

he is a better pure passer than Cam Newton is.

And his arm is just as strong, if you ever watched him play you will see him throwing darts all over the place off his back foot but get there with zip and accuracy, his intangibles are way better than Newton or Vick. He elevated the play of his teammates and that is a big reason why they won 10 games. he is a hard worker and his play showed it cause each year he got better and better which showed his hard work.

his arm is not as strong as Newton's. If you say so you are clueless.

So you are Miss Cleo now and can predict the future

You must have not seen this kid play, his arm is very strong and has a better touch on his deep ball than Newton.based off of the things that you are saying you are the one that does not have a clue, to say this dude is gonna be a bust.

why do i need to predict the future to know Cam has a stronger arm?

The "he wants to go for law school" was for the anti-Vick argument.

A lot of people look at a QB like Griffin and say he is like Vick, and some people look at his skin color and say he has the same character as Vick. Not really on here(thankfully), but that argument is to combat the ignorant.
I agree with you that it has nothing to do with being a successful NFL QB, but that argument rose out of a very real argument.

Horcasitas4 - February 16, 2012 reply

Some one copy everything jeff said

And when RG is lighting it up in the NFL….paste it right in jeffs face

mr.snyderhireme - February 17, 2012 via mobile reply

Not arguing that Miami/DC would be better spots for RG3 than Cleveland...

but my gut says that he wouldn’t pull a move like that. I always thought Elway was lame for doing it. I can definitely see the reasoning behind a refusal to play on/in a bad team/city, but it’s my personal opinion that it’s a really lame thing to do.

Reedskin - February 16, 2012 reply

I see both sides of it

On one hand it hard for the team to improve if players refuse to go to them when they are drafted but on the other hand why would a great player (Elway) want to go to a club that is continually awful. How many winning seasons have the Browns had since Jim Brown left? Maybe 10?

They really are an awful franchise…and what’s scary is that we’re falling back to them. Now we’ve had 20 years of crap and while I think we’re now moving in the right direction it hasn’t shown (yet) in the all important win/loss record book.

That’s why I think Shanahan has to have a winning season in the next 1-2 years. We have an owner that fired one of the greatest all time team building coaches (Schottenheimer) after less than a full season. And YES I am still pissed about that as it was the best opportunity we ever had to get the team turned around.

aFan4Life - February 17, 2012 reply

*wouldn't

Reedskin - February 17, 2012 reply

I dont think he would do that

I thiink Luck is way more likely to pull that move because of his dads relationship with archie manning. And that would be awsome for the redskins

taylor21 - February 16, 2012 reply

I don't think anyone will pull a douche move.

Sidenote : I’d love to see us take Russell Wilson in the draft. He’s RG3 light.

So he's 5'10, 195?

StephanHart - February 16, 2012 reply

I think you meant 'RGII's mini-me'

Steve Shoup - February 16, 2012 reply

So he is probably really 5-8 or 5-9?

Since RG3 is 6ft, 200.

(Ain’t no way he is 6-2, 220)

TCO - February 16, 2012 reply

yeah he cant be 6'2" cause you personally measured him

The dude is 6’2", when he stood next to Luck at the Heisman awards they was nearly the same height, off course Luck was a little taller but not 4 or 5 inches taller.

But the combine is next week so everything will be known about his height and weight. but then there will be something else to nitpick about him that people will come up with

i would say certainly over 6'

erin andrews is pretty tall

she is 5'10 so if this is your proof you are saying RG3 is about 6'4

Are you of the opinion that the difference in height in that image is ~2 inches, or are you questioning whether or not the bar is specifically designed to make him look taller?

KPride - February 16, 2012 reply

i am saying it is a picture and trying to ascertain his specific height based on a pic which is from the torso up is a terrible idea.

The combine will be here soon enough and we will no exactly how tall he is.