Hogs Haven

I hear that RGIII will part the Red Sea

and consume the Dallas Cowboys with fire balls from his eyes and bolts of lightning from his arse.

aye

Al_CaPWNED - February 20, 2012 via mobile reply

dan should seriously take the road ted has taken

People should stop selling their tickets to other team fans but that wont happen so what can Danny do to bring out the red in fedex?

no more kwame's in dc - February 20, 2012 via mobile reply

As long as the team is winning, this won't be a problem.

With RGIII

everything will be possible. We’ll never lose a game again. Mediocre O-Linemen will become invincible. Our secondary will be so impressed by the catches our WR corp makes that D-Hall himself will sprout wings and fly through the air to nab intereceptions.

And he will make your posts funny.

I can live with not being funny

provided you and folks with your team building philosophy are permanently and forever banned from all of Ashburn.

I'm pretty sure permanently and forever mean the same thing.

And if by “team building philosophy” you mean I want this team to have a good QB, then yes I fall into that category.

But, I’m not employed by the Redskins so that should calm your fears.

It doesn't

because I think you at least mean well. Danny on the other hand I’m not so sure about.

first post

not only is there something to be said for exciting the fan base, but there is only one QB available to the skins this year with the ability to really change the franchise long term. As far as team building philosophy I am all about building through the draft and trying to keep as many draft picks as possible. In fact last years draft gave me hope that after so many years in snyder hell, bruce and shanahan might actually be able to pull us back out of the basement. However this franchise is not ever going to get the chance to draft a QB with a ceiling like RGIII without a top 5 draft pick. these kind of franchise changing opportunities do not come along every day. if you could go back to last year and trade up to pick cam newton would you do it?

eyevee4 - February 20, 2012 reply

You mean he should

Openly denigrate the teams fans? Or call the guys on this site slow and/or lazy?

Dear Rodskins:

Pics or it didn’t happen…

I’d rather wear Rosie O’donnel’s panties as a Ski-mask then watch Rax Grissman play another down in the Burgundy and Gold.

Presidents day mattress sale: Abe Lincoln used to share a bed with his boy toy so i think it’s pertinent.

Elaw6 - February 20, 2012 reply

we're done calling out Rodskins on his story

I am inclined to take the pastor at his word. Further, the vehement denials from Haslett are telling in and of themselves.

Finally, he is taking enough heat from everyone else. It makes no sense to beat him up here.

Ken Meringolo - February 20, 2012 reply

It'd suck if it lost you guys any sort of access though

any sign that’s happening?

I know ya’ll hold yourselves out as humble fan-bloggers but you have spoken to the owner and generally seem to be treated like the rest of the DC sports press (or at least a lot better than most bloggers).

I don't think Dan Snyder wants to do anything to alienate a local medium.

His dispute with The City Paper didn’t end well for him.

A figure of his stature, and this team, just need to leave it alone. The best thing the Redskins could do is ignore it.

I don't mean having any sort of fight with HH

I just mean going totally tight-lipped because they’re worried it’s an ambush or that anything they say might end up in another fan post.

Probably not. When coaches know they are going to be interviewed by someone and it will be published, they know beforehand what their answers will be.

This.

As long as the folks talking identify themselves as Bloggers, it won’t effect their ability to talk with folks. It’s if one of the principles were to have pulled this, yeah, it would effect things… but the site won’t be held by a FAN post that got pulled in.

And that’s not denegrating Rodskins or to make any judgement, positive or negative, about his comment…. but it will mean that folks will be wary of dropping big dope to random strangers in the future.

Although it would make an OUTSTANDING follow up in the late offseason, after it’s either come true, or not. That’s when round two truly starts.

BillWard - February 20, 2012 reply

Completely agree

The story got bad press BECAUSE of the press. They can’t take someone else getting info before them. I have no doubt that some version of those events occurred. If not word for word, than pretty darn close.

+1

The regular beat guys ask Shanahan questions and they get canned, rehearsed answers that are 100% bullshit. but that’s what coach says so you have to print it.

A regular dude has a conversation off the record, then puts it out there and guys like Keim, Russell etc. are acting like total dicks. “I called Haslett and he said it’s not true.” Basically just being jealous because their journalistic techniques involve no investigation, just writing down lies and printing them.

Yep

Even Paulsen, who I kinda like, dismissed the whole thing because “there’s no way an NFL coach would do that.” He said it like coaches reside on Mt. Olympus between games. His “proof” was that Haslett doesn’t have an Escalade, because that’s what Haslett said. No reason he would lie. Funny part was, Paulsen said it on the afternoon show, after Lurch said in the morning that he had personally seen Haslett driving an Escalade.

There is a word for how those beat guys acted after that post came out:

Haters! Hating like a motherfucker!

That's actually not the case at all

the reason people were upset by it is because Rodskin didn’t identify himself as a journalist (or as someone who would be making the information he was given widely available to the public) and then the story got posted on the front page of a blog that gets taken seriously for Redskins coverage.

The belief is that had Rodskin said “I’m going to put your responses on Hogs Haven” then the replies would have been different. Consider the way you’d respond to questions about your job to a person identifying themselves as a news reporter versus someone randomly talking to you at a restaurant or bar. Now of course there’s a lot of debate about what the responsibility is of a blogger to identify himself, or really in this case a fan poster who doesn’t even have control over this site’s content. However I bet if Haslett had known that his answers would be front paged on one of the more well known Redskins blogs he wouldn’t have been nearly so candid (again assuming the conversation even happened).

It’s a much thornier issue than you’re letting on.

I'm not talking

About Haslett’s side. I understand Haslett denying it. But I believe, without a shadow of a doubt, that the “journalists” dismissed the whole thing as a farce simply because Rod wasn’t one of them. I found it funny that the Junkies, who aren’t “journalists”, believed the encounter occurred, while the supposed professionals basically called the guy a liar.

Again, I don’t care what Haslett says. He pretty much has to deny it. But, no matter how “thorny” this issue may be, that doesn’t mean it didn’t occur. And there is no reason Rodksin should have suffered any backlash. He bears no responsibility to anyone (outside of his family, of course), and therefor did nothing wrong.

The Junkies are morons as a general principle

they seem to know more about pop culture than sports.

That being said I think it’s impossible to know whether or not it occurred. Maybe it did and maybe it didn’t.

I don’t really care about any backlash suffered by Rodskin, he posted it up knowing well what the response may have been.

true, but

Not my point. My point was, Lurch said he saw Haslett in a Gold Escalade. He said this BEFORE it was even brought into question whether or not Has even had a Gold Escalade.

Anyway, again, I just think Haslett has more reason to lie than Rod. Plus, anyone who drives a Gold Escalade has gotta be a douche.

CJHutch - February 21, 2012 via mobile reply

What a douche.

HogHunter - February 21, 2012 reply

That may be

The ugliest color I’ve ever seen. And they DEFINITELY ruined the smooth ride of the Escalade.

CJHutch - February 21, 2012 reply

You're right about some of the journalists.

Some of them even plagarize the bloggers sometimes…. happened to one of my articles when I used to blog for The Redskins Report. LaCanafora stole the article (something I had researched and sourced) in order to meet a quota or something on the Posts’ Redskins Insider a few years back. He OBVIOUSLY got it from me, because it was one of those “Out of the blue” type posts that I’d worked on for a week that was speculative of some things the FO was going to do. I would have been more than fine if he had simply acknowledged that he’d gotten some of the info from my post, but he made it sound like it was all him. I’m sure it’s the same with Ken and Kevin; if one of the “professionals” needs to borrow from something they researched, it’s fine with them, just ACKNOWLEDGE where they got the start on it.

But then, most of us have a common opinion of LaCanafora.

BillWard - February 20, 2012 reply

Oh yeah, and

As for Rod needing to “identify himself” and/or disclose his intentions for the info gathered during the conversation, why would he? Again, he is not a journalist. I highly doubt he went up to Haslett thinking he was gonna get “the scoop” for Hogs Haven. He went up to the guy as a fan, and then later decided to share what he learned with other fans.
Let me ask you this – let’s say you ran into Bruce Allen at your local Costco. If you decided to go up to him, would telling him that you may post the conversation on this site at all cross your mind? Not mine.

But that's the question you're failing to grapple with

no he isn’t a journalist in that he isn’t employed by a newspaper but he acted in the manner of one. I mean, look, it’s gotten national exposure.

The way he wrote that post makes it obvious to me that he knew what he was doing. I don’t begrudge him for it but I don’t see why we just absolve people from thinking about the potential consequences of their own actions.

Journalists have a long established code under which they at least claim to operate (talking about the failures of the media is so beyond the scope of anything at this blog and I don’t want to start a debate about it). Bloggers don’t. This is a very new world we live in.

Of course bloggers do.

Journalism doesn’t have a monopoly on integrity. And in any event, journalists aren’t licensed in most places, so this “long established code” is only enforced through peer coercion, which is the same mechanism that enforces all social mores including those applicable to “bloggers” (which is just a fancy qualifier for “a person”).

Maybe Rodskin had some responsibility to tell Haslett that he intended to publish everything they spoke about, in confidence, but that’s a separate question. And I don’t assume any lofty intent of journalism ethics codes, anyways, because they’re purposed to protect the reporter as much as—if not more than—the speaker.

Skin Patrol - February 20, 2012 reply

Agreed...it is the interviewee that needs protection these days

Imagine never knowing who you should or should not speak to about anything. That is the world Jim Haslett woke up to a couple weeks ago.

Granted, if he blabbed the whole offseason plan, there are other issues that need to be addressed. But we don’t want to be responsible for creating a place where nobody feels like they can say anything without it becoming a headline or news story.

Ken Meringolo - February 20, 2012 reply

We live in a new age of journalism.

There used to be a few sources to go to for Redskins news and opinions. Now some guy who calls himself iH8dallas can write an opinion article for all to see.

The thing is, coaches in the NFL are very guarded, not because of some life and death circumstances or national security, but because they are in charge of multi-million dollar businesses and employees.

Rodskins did nothing wrong. If it was John Keim or Mike Jones, wearing a fake nose and mustache then that would be a problem. However, what if some guy was recording the conversation with his phone and put it on Youtube? No different.

Coaches have to understand everyone has the ability to make information public these days. That’s why when Ghaddafi was killed it was the Libyan rebels, not Al-Jazeera or ABC News that broadcasted it.

The point is, Haslett should have been more careful. Anybody with a phone or access to the internet can break a viral story anytime.

iH8dallas - February 20, 2012 via mobile reply

damnit

Stupid phone posted early.

Anyway, bottom line for me? I believe the guy. I don’t think he has any reason to lie, while Haslett does. And, know what else? He’s a vested member of the Redskins fanbase. Haslett is a guy on a short term lease. Rod was here, rooting for this team before Haslett got here, and he’ll be here still after Has leaves. So, again, what could he possibly gain from lying about it? You really think he expected to gain notoriety from dropping information most of us could’ve guessed anyway? I don’t.

CJHutch - February 21, 2012 via mobile reply

so because

It got “national exposure” he’s in the wrong? That’s a slippery slope these days.
Obviously we took two different views in his piece. I don’t think he intended for it to go viral. I don’t think he even intended it to get so much play locally. I think he saw an opportunity to talk to a coach on his favorite team, took it, then shared the info he got with this community. I would’ve done the exact sake thing.

CJHutch - February 21, 2012 via mobile reply

I agree that the vehement denials from Haslett make the story seem more likely to be true

aFan4Life - February 21, 2012 reply

Rosie O'donnel is a girl?

ThuGodfather - February 20, 2012 reply

I will not comment

On her gender, but I don’t think she was ever “a girl”.

Andrew DeFrank - February 20, 2012 reply

Whale

Which would explain oh so many things.

Grinds my gears that some idiot cast her as the cute and pert Betty Rubble.

BillWard - February 20, 2012 reply

"IT" is a whole 'nother category IMO

aFan4Life - February 21, 2012 reply

I want RG3.

Me too.

So Routt is spoken for

Any chance we go after Carr?

If his contract is cheaper than D-Hall's, then I say yes.

Oh and cut D-Hall.

With Carr on his way out

does this mean Bowe gets the franchise tag, taking him off the market?

JCP17 - February 20, 2012 via Android app reply

Most likely