Well, this is something I didn't expect to hear. SI.com columnist, Don Banks, snuck this tidbit in his latest mock draft:
Here's an interesting theory I heard recently that makes some sense: Mike Shanahan loves Oklahoma State QB Brandon Weeden, who he coached in the Senior Bowl, and might try to trade down into the 20s of the first round to take him. Weeden is 28 and that scares a lot of teams, but he's mature and ready to play in the NFL right away, and the Redskins don't have time to wait around for someone to develop.
I just spent some time re-reading the Senior Bowl reviews, and this rumor seems to have some validty:
From Steve Shoup: Weeden is really separating himself from the rest of the quarterbacks down in Mobile. In addition to showing good velocity and accuracy with his throws, he stands out due to his maturity as well. He appears to be communicating the best with his receivers and backs, making sure they lineup properly and acknowledging them when they make great catches. Just really looks to be a leader on the field.
From Mocking the Draft's profile (just four days ago):
- Weeden has a professional baseball background and it shows in his strong arm and passes. He can make all of the necessary throws with good zip on his passes and can fit ball into small windows.
- He is a very good leader and takes charge of the huddle. He keeps his poise in the pocket when under pressure and his eyes down field until the last possible second.
- One true sign of a good QB is leadership, but another sign is the ability of being a consistent performer against inferior teams, the teams that are just as good as you, and against the top ranked teams. Weeden has shown the ability to perform well against all three phases. He should be a very good starting QB with proper coaching and better techniques.
- He has the arm strength to make all of the deep throws. Passes are placed where only the receiver can make a play on the ball for the most part. His passes are sometimes high and off target because of not getting his feet set in the pocket.
So, this really is an interesting nugget since it goes against what we heard about the Redskins not really liking any of the QBs, which prompted all the tradeup scenarios. Of course, Weeden didn't back that hype up throwing 5-of-9 with 56 yards and two interceptions in the Senior Bowl. I couldn't help but laugh in MTD's draft review that all he needs is help with "footwork mechanics." I'm getting McNabb flashbacks nightmares.
Weeden will be 29 in October. As long as Weeden scores a 26 on the Wonderlic, he'll pass the 26-27-60 rule, which has been very good in narrowing successful NFL QBs (26 Wonderlic, 27 games started, 60+% career completion percentage). Andy Dalton being the most recent.
This scenario makes sense if Redskins can't trade up for RG3. As Bruce Allen said, the Redskins have a plan. I could be wrong about this report/rumor, but I'm guessing this is a Mike and Kyle Shanahan smoke screen:
(I really just needed a reason to post this picture).
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hmmmmmmmm
iH8dallas - February 22, 2012 via mobile
IN SHANNY WE TRUST
Weeden is really interesting. It allows you to get a talented guy and then possibly go after another one of “Shanny’s guys” in a year or two. Weeden could be a 2-3 year stopgap or 7 year player. Certainly an intriguing possibility.
Parks Smith - February 22, 2012
I'm warming up to the idea.
iH8dallas - February 22, 2012
then I'm out
Parks Smith - February 22, 2012
haha
iH8dallas - February 22, 2012
Haha
Ginger Ale — RIGHT OUT THE NOSE
CJHutch - February 22, 2012
I can see that as a possible strategy
and I believe it might be true because I really do think Shanahan needs to go at least 8-8 this season or he’ll get booted. I don’t like it but I think it’s likely.
aFan4Life - February 22, 2012
I think he's here for his whole contract...
Don’t forget, Snyder is a fan of the Redskins before he is the owner. He kinda screwed us up in the past when he got involved. Shanahan took the 53 man roster we had, and over 2 years has only kept like 6 or 7 players. Most fans are really behind what we’ve done the past 2 years, and I’m sure Snyder is too. There is a big difference in the motivation and the passion their playing with. The media is even giving him kudos for sitting back and letting a professional football coach come in and overhaul the roster without his input. I think he’ll enjoy not being the devil owner for a years and maybe enjoy a ring or two on his fingers over the next decade
ptowny - February 23, 2012
I have my doubt but even so it doesn't leave much time
I’ve read reports saying a guy like Tannehill is going to need 2-3 years of training before he’s ready to start and the reality is that this team isn’t going to improve significantly without an upgrade at QB. If Shanahan doesn’t have a winning record by the last year of his contract Snyders not going to resign him. That gives Shanahan 2 years max to acquire and develop a QB.
On a side note, what the fans think is irrelevant. Sad but true.
aFan4Life - February 23, 2012
Here's the deal friends..
Someone from the media & (Rodskins) will link us to every FA QB before FA begins and just about every draft eligible QB before the draft.
There is nothing to see here.
Diesel44 - February 22, 2012
haha what i love though are the people who say
this is a smoke screen (mind you there is no direct quote from Shanny), but any comments that come out about RGIII ‘proves’ that we are interested enough to trade up for him.
I do agree that this isn’t really ground breaking, and positive remarks will come out about most options like you said.
Steve Shoup - February 22, 2012
We also need a WR!
Which is why we’ll be linked to every FA WR.
Diesel44 - February 22, 2012
I think its safe to say we will be linked to just about every player, and esp. those at our needs
Steve Shoup - February 22, 2012
Makes Some Sense
With so many holes to fill it does seem to make sense to try to TRADE DOWN from the sixth spot (assuming they can find a trading partner) and add more early round picks….kinda sorta like last year.
Tee L - February 22, 2012
I have no problem at all
if we decide to go the Weeden route. But I am surprised that we would need to use a first round pick on him. I think we can easily get him with our 2nd rd pick
Redskin44 - February 22, 2012
You know what would be cool?
Blackmon in the first, Weeden in the second. CHAMPIONSHIP!
iH8dallas - February 22, 2012
We are signing
Jason Campbell as are starter, Sage Rosenfels as our backup Brandon Lloyd as our #1 WR , and Rock Cartright for KR and RB depth. We’re getting the old gang back together!
Redskin44 - February 22, 2012
we gotta go all in
and throw money at sanfran. to get rogers back too
Sean Qtip Guilliams - February 22, 2012
Rock was the man...
I would take him back.
ptowny - February 23, 2012
Or, trade with Cincy for their two first rounders. Weeden and Kirkpatrick.
iH8dallas - February 22, 2012
No
We trade that first rd pick for Chris Clemons
Redskin44 - February 22, 2012
CP is out there.
iH8dallas - February 22, 2012
done...bring him in
Redskin44 - February 22, 2012
Phillip Daniels is already on the staff
DudleyDoright - February 22, 2012
I said this in another post on here about a month ago
I think it was one about Weeden and if he would be worth a second round pick.. I think it would be awesome if we could get both. They already have a rapport.
tmarine17 - February 23, 2012
I'd be surprised as well that you'd need a 1st rounder for Weeden
but when it comes to the late first round some team might get desperate and trade into the 1st (or before us in the 2nd) to land him.
Steve Shoup - February 22, 2012
it could happen
But I just don’t see it. If Cleveland takes griffin, manning goes to Arizona, flynn to Miami. If Seattle makes a move it will be for tannehill. Who is left willing to make a move up for a Qb.
Redskin44 - February 22, 2012 via mobile
well there are others Chiefs and Jets primarily being the options
and both make some sense. KC has a good young defense, should have Bowe back as at least a franchise player, plus Breaston and Baldwin at WR, and Charles and Moeaki coming back from injury. They also play in a really weak division so they might think that Weeden can step in and be better than Cassel.
The Jets know that they have made the AFC Championship game with one of the worst QB’s in the league at the helm. If Weeden is even average they could be a SB team.
Neither is a lock, but there are some options out there. The other issue is if Manning isn’t a viable option and there is one less QB on the market.
For me I’d probably risk it that Weeden will be there at 39, but you have to at least consider it, since other guys like Foles, Cousins, Osweiler aren’t really viable early starters.
Steve Shoup - February 22, 2012
maybe they will
Redskin44 - February 22, 2012 via mobile
maybe they will
But I cant see the jets, chiefs, sacrificing picks to get him. Jets are a mess and have many holes. I as. sume chiefs are in the same boat. My gut tells me shanny’s plan a is manning, plan b is griffin (but he will cost too much), and plan c is orton/weeden or tannehill
Redskin44 - February 22, 2012 via mobile
i agree that it might not be too likely, i just don't think anything can be ruled out
as they say ‘it just takes one team’ and Weeden is going to wow teams in the interview process. And some teams will put a higher premium on Weeden’s ability to play right away. The Jets for instance probably weight Weeden far higher than some of the other QB’s b/c of that.
Steve Shoup - February 22, 2012
Just looking at the math, supply/demand, and assuming Manning
goes somewhere, it would seem likely that either Tannehill or Weeden will still be there at 38 (or 39?). So if Shanahan likes them equally, he can afford to be cool, and wait and grab whoever is still available in the second round.
Donnio1234 - February 22, 2012
There is nothing that say Weeden is ready to play right now.
He played in the same spread as Griffin III which everyone is knocking him for playing in and he will be a ROOKIE just like anybody else. he dont know the speed of the game nor has he seen the kinda pressure and blitz packages he will see in the NFL. I keep hearing about all the terrible defenses RG3 and Baylor faced but that fact is left out when it come to Weeden. I watched some a few games of Weeden and I dont see anything special or anything that make me think he will be a great pro.
Highspeed30 - February 22, 2012
actually they were different spread offenses and Weeden didn't have a running element to his game showing him more of a pocket passer
Weeden’s age and maturity make it more likely that he will quickly adjust to the NFL game. As will his pocket presence and ability to feel pressure, two big keys in early success.
What games did you watch that Weeden wasn’t impressive in??
Steve Shoup - February 22, 2012
Kansas State, Texas, Texas A&M, Baylor. I just dont see him making any real tough throws or reads. this dude is throwing to wide open people and got a lot of RAC yards, staring down targets and he did not respond well to pressure, overthrowing guys downfield.
Highspeed30 - February 22, 2012
dude he outplayed Griffin in the Baylor game
Steve Shoup - February 22, 2012
that was RG3’s worst game of the season he still threw for 425 yds 66% completion 1 td 2 int and ran for a td.
Weeden threw for 274 66% comp 3 td’s 0 ints.
But Weeden’s play vs Griffin’s play was hardly the reason why they won Baylor had 5 turnovers and got stopped on 4th and inches 2 twice one inside 5 on opening possesion, and another near the redzone that is equal to 7 turnovers. that game got out of hand cause of turnovers early. And OSU ran all over Baylor defense 327 yds their RB had 152 yds and 4 tds. so it was not as cut and dry to say Weeden outplayed Griffin
Highspeed30 - February 23, 2012
yet you try to bring up passing yardage to defend your point??
As you said OK state ran all over Baylor so Weeden didn’t have to match RGIII pass for pass, but he was efficient and didn’t turn the ball over. That is a better game.
Steve Shoup - February 23, 2012
you saying he outplayed him as if they was in some type of high scoring affair throwing all over the field like Aaron Rodgers and Kurt Warner in that playoff game a few years back. i am not trying to defend any point, i am just saying that OK st won cause of other factors and Weeden’s play was not the main factor. nothing to do with RG3 really except he was QB of Baylor, my evaluation of Weeden is he stare down WRs, forces balls to Blackmon even when covered but Blackmon makes plays so it looks good, he does NOT respond well to pressure tends to throw ball up for grabs and tends to overthrow guys when he feels the heat. not that big a frame 6’4 only about 215 look a little frail and will be 29 years old hey but that is just my take on the guy
Highspeed30 - February 23, 2012
well i think you are well off
Weeden’s frame and size are strengths, and he’s one of the better QB’s when it comes to pressure and fitting it into tight windows.
Steve Shoup - February 23, 2012
I don't understand why you think Weeden is not legit
aside from age, he’s a sure fire first round prospect; and even with the age, he may still be one. He got a very nice set of tools to work with at the next level. I think he compares very favoribly to Matt Ryan, with a tad stronger arm, and a little less accuracy.
Tiller56 - February 23, 2012
b/c he wants RGIII and no other QB will do...
The Agent C 83 - February 23, 2012
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJyAA_hbH8Q&feature=related
at 18:24 gets pressure throws it up
at 30:10 stare down WR
i have seen other games when he get pressured he dont respond well, throw balls up, or overthrow, and seem to stare at his targets.
I am saying all this crap about he is more ready to play cause of his age make no sense, if a guy can learn a system he can learn a system whether he is 21 years old or 28, it is not like this dude have been sitting and learning on a NFL roster
Highspeed30 - February 23, 2012
and RGIII has never done that??
Steve Shoup - February 23, 2012
I never said anything about RG3
Griffin responds a lot better to pressure than Weeden does, in fact Baylor offensive line is not that good and he gets pressured a lot but he responds better to it, in fact BJ Coleman of Chattanooga responds better when pressured i would rather take this guy than Weeden cause he still can grow and be groomed to be a good QB.
Highspeed30 - February 23, 2012
how does Griffin respond better to pressure?
Steve Shoup - February 23, 2012
This is like when you tell your wife that the she is hotter than the Victoria Secret model.
You say it because you have too, but you know in your mind that the Victoria Secret model is definitely hotter.
Copious 1 - February 22, 2012
I'd still rather have my wife.
Sorry, dude, but there are things WAY hotter than how a woman looks in a photo shoot.
BillWard - February 22, 2012
Crickets
StephanHart - February 22, 2012
Your wife reads the blog doesn't she?
It was just an example, I’m sure your wife is hot to you.
Copious 1 - February 22, 2012
Nope.
If she did, she would DEFINITELY comment on some of the nonsense that gets spouted around here, and would be a vocal Redskins supporter.
You wouldn’t be able to miss it if she started reading here.
BillWard - February 23, 2012
i will say
That the hotness factor wears off after about 5 months…ironically about equal to the tenure of a Redskins Qb
Redskin44 - February 22, 2012 via mobile
I feel like I am listening to Colin Cowherd...
and some of this anecdotes…
jgibbsfan1 - February 22, 2012
If Reports Say...
Shanny wants Weeden then there is no chance he is a Redskin.
Kane3387 - February 22, 2012
Unless
Everyone knows Shanny does not leak any info on any of his draft picks (No contact Jay Cutler) and just as you did no chance Weeden is a Redskin
BUT……with everyone knowing that and assuming that, then the opposite of that would be showing interest so that everyone thinks he’s not interested and really is interested….SMOKE!
dr WNC - February 22, 2012
i know right been having a hard time figuring this out
basically accourding to different people shanny wants everyone, except…….john beck… THATS IT JOHN BECK WILL BE ARE STARTER AND REX GROSSMAN WILL BACKUP
(i hope people take me seriusly and post the possibility so this doesnt happen)
Sean Qtip Guilliams - February 22, 2012
It doesn't matter what reports say
unless they came from Shanahan. With reports all over the place, some are bound to be right.
Donnio1234 - February 22, 2012
Weeden…? really? lmao…smdh
BSNUFFER10 - February 22, 2012
No LOLs or WTFs to throw in there?
iH8dallas - February 22, 2012
BTW
Weeden will score very well on the wonderlic. He’s a smart guy
Redskin44 - February 22, 2012
i would hope so he's like 50
BmoreRedskin - February 22, 2012 via mobile
He's so wise...
SSBlitz - February 22, 2012
He's old enough to forget half the stuff on the Wonderlic.
I mean, the guy is almost old enough that he’s too old to be a son of mine!
BillWard - February 22, 2012
Are you implying that he may be your son?
paternity test pending, of course.
mbedner - February 22, 2012
I'm saying his AGE is such that he's almost old enough
to not be young enough to be my son, if I had known his mom back then.
BillWard - February 23, 2012
he will be applying for ssi right after his rookie contract expires
BmoreRedskin - February 22, 2012 via mobile
I don’t really care I don’t want him..not that it matters.
BSNUFFER10 - February 22, 2012
I'm fine with Weeden.
We could get several starters out of this draft instead of only getting RG3. I hope this isn’t just Shanny bullshitting everyone.
CarverM - February 22, 2012
I Hope
It is Shanny B.S.ing…. Rg3 or bust ( or a very healthy Peyton Manning)
Jiza32 - February 22, 2012 via mobile
is he better than Beck?
Just remember similar chatter about Beck
TCO - February 22, 2012
A dead squirrel is better than Beck.
iH8dallas - February 22, 2012
the dead squirrel's nut is better than Beck
Redskin44 - February 22, 2012
Can Rodskins confirm or deny this?
Parks Smith - February 22, 2012
And the award goes to...
Bullet Nation in Exile - February 22, 2012
That's not getting old.
iH8dallas - February 22, 2012
Yea I know, you never repetitively say the same things, convey the same thoughts, or use the same tired jokes
Parks Smith - February 22, 2012
Not at the expense of other people I don't.
iH8dallas - February 22, 2012
right...
Parks Smith - February 22, 2012
actually it's not since every media source has basically now reported on it
Steve Shoup - February 22, 2012
I just read that entire thread in full.
It seems that y’all were more interested in the forthcoming episode of Glee than the actual… what was that? Oh, and by the way, I completely approve. Although last night’s episode of Glee made me throw fried rice at the television…
Okay. Back to football. Cool beans.
DCO'sfan - February 22, 2012
Can we PLEASE
quit talking about Glee on this dadgum blog?
CJHutch - February 22, 2012
Personally
I think this COULD shed some light on Rods story. Didn’t he say that the staff wasn’t interested in ANY of the QB’s down there? We all wondered why Haslett would have this info. Maybe he didn’t. Maybe this was Shanny’s line – to tell anyone who would listen that they weren’t impressed with that crop of QB’s
Not a sermon, just a thought.
CJHutch - February 22, 2012
for me personally it shows how inaccurate that story was
I don’t think it was some ‘disinformation piece’ from Shanny either. It was pretty clear that the Redskins staff liked what they saw in Weeden. Now no one came out and said it, but you could see them taking in all his big plays during practice. And Shanny completely downplayed the age factor saying it was a non-issue.
Steve Shoup - February 22, 2012
Yes, if it was disinformation, then
consider that the one hard, non-obvious piece of info was that they did not like Flynn. So if it was all bs, the implication is that they are interested in Flynn. And I would not like that at all. They should not pay Flynn big money and anoint him as the QBOTF. For one thing, Flynn is young, so they would likely not draft any of the young QBs in the draft – and that would be huge mistake. We would be risking everything on Flynn, who is unproven. He could be as bad as Beck.
Donnio1234 - February 22, 2012
Well this jives with what I heard
I bumped into Danny Smith at a Baskin Robbins and he pretty much said the Redskins were going to reunite Justin Blackmon and Brandon Weeden.
willster - February 23, 2012
I'd be okay with Weeden
1st – Reiff
2nd – Weeden
3rd – WR
4th – MLB
4th – G/C/RB/CB
Add a CB and S in FA.
tman5 - February 22, 2012
Or switch the 1st and 3rd rounders
If Blackmon falls to us at #6. If the plan is to get Weeden in the 2nd, Blackmon is worth taking at #6 for the sake of chemistry.
tman5 - February 22, 2012
Reiff would be such a underwhelming pick at 6. He is solid and obviously a need but I’d far prefer them to go for a elite talent in the top 10 if they can’t trade back. Reiff is nothing to get excited about unless we can trade back and still get him. He just isn’t a top 10 talent at all.
HogtieJim - February 22, 2012
how is Reiff not an elite talent?
He’s easily a top 10 talent, and really is a top 5 talent. His positional value at T should also boost him above RB’s, WR’s and CB’s
Steve Shoup - February 22, 2012
He overvalued because he is a tackle. He just isn’t one of the 10 most talent players in the draft. Not a pick to get excited about at all but it would be low risk at least.
HogtieJim - February 22, 2012
how is he not one of the 10 most talented players in this draft?
Steve Shoup - February 22, 2012
I agree with Reiff not being a top ten talent
it would be a big reach to get Reiff at 6, you dont draft RT’s with the 6th pick in the draft. Even if you say you will move Trent to the right side which IMO would be a mistake it is still a bad pick at 6. not filling a MAJOR need, and he would NOT br the BPA
Highspeed30 - February 22, 2012
Reiff is probably 10th best prospect
but he should not be that high on the redskins board
Highspeed30 - February 22, 2012
This
agree
Tiller56 - February 23, 2012
Reiff is better than Trent so why would you not move them?
and Reiff is probably the 6th best prospect in this draft.
Luck, Kalil, Claiborne, Griffin, Kuechly, Reiff
Steve Shoup - February 23, 2012
you have no way to know that Reiff is better than Trent
cause Reiff have never played one NFL down to evaluate whether or not he is better
Highspeed30 - February 23, 2012
He's only a RT for us....
He would easily play LT tackle for most of the teams in the top 10
ptowny - February 23, 2012
If we were to take an offensive lineman at 6, give me DeCastro.
iH8dallas - February 22, 2012
Weeden has been my #2 choice since January, when it was determined Barkley and Jones were headed back to school
I know he’s 28, but just like the article says, he has the skills, and maturity to play right away, andif they feel the price of moving up for RG3 is too high, I hope Weeden is the guy we target.
I believe we can get 5-7 good years from him.
Tiller56 - February 22, 2012
This
The Agent C 83 - February 23, 2012
I love the trading down idea
But I’m more for Wilson than Weeden. I definitely don’t think we’d need to use a mid 1st on him.
A draft with Mike Adams and Mohamed Sanu would make me happiest.
SSBlitz - February 22, 2012
Russell Wilson might never start in the NFL, much less next year
Steve Shoup - February 22, 2012
I have no idea why people are enthralled with Wilson or Moore. They seem like extreme long-shots to ever make a impact in the NFL.
HogtieJim - February 22, 2012
i think people see college success and think that it translates
Steve Shoup - February 22, 2012
Colt Brennan?
Copious 1 - February 22, 2012
exactly
Steve Shoup - February 22, 2012
What else do you go by???
But their play in college? Are you saying we should take guys who sucked in college?
HogNasty - February 23, 2012
what of the QB's 'sucked in college'?
Hell Case Keenum and Kellen Moore were better than Luck and Griffin, why not take one of them at 6.
Steve Shoup - February 23, 2012
So was Andy Dalton...
you just have to put the guys in good situations
ptowny - February 23, 2012
This could just as easily be Shanny
trying to throw people off as well. If he likes RG3, he may want to keep things hush, as to not generate a lot of buzz. Maybe he’s throwing his like of Weeden out there to keep all avenues open in a trade-back scenerio. If the Rams hear that Shanny likes this guy as well, maybe their demands in a trade get lowered a bit. The price is always cheaper when there is a competitive product on the market.
Tiller56 - February 22, 2012
yep and personally I approve is Shanahan tactic
to me it’s just stupid to let other teams know what you want to do on draft day.
aFan4Life - February 22, 2012
Free agency can also tip draft moves. Although there doesn't seem to be a free agent QB that would do that.
Jefferson1935 - February 22, 2012
i don't know if it really makes a big difference in terms of trade value
it might help in the sense that another team might not offer as much, but it won’t make the Rams take less.
Steve Shoup - February 22, 2012
Why not?
The Rams may think they can have 2 bidders in that spot, but say Shanny plays coy with them, and lets on that he likes another QB too. It may let the Rams think that if they demand too much, Shanny will say screw you, I’ll slip back in the draft and pick up Weeden.
Tiller56 - February 22, 2012
but that won't really lower their demand
because the Rams can be coy right back, saying ‘alright you are out of the bidding for RGIII’
Steve Shoup - February 22, 2012
as long as their is one other bidder the Rams won't care what the Skins plans are at QB
Steve Shoup - February 22, 2012
Not true
Having two bidders drives up the price.
tman5 - February 22, 2012
yes
by a lot
Tiller56 - February 22, 2012
yes but if one of those teams 'takes themselves out' by feigning interest in another guy
then the Rams will make the deal with the other team. And for the Rams, while I’m sure they’d love the trade back scenario, they will only do it if the value warrants them passing on Matt Kalil.
Steve Shoup - February 22, 2012
It makes no difference what so ever.
If Team X offers Y number of picks the Rams will simply tell everybody it will cost you Y+1. It isn’t like if the Skins pretend to not want RG3 that the other teams will get RG3 for less. Whatever is offered for the pick other teams will have the opportunity to better the offer. Pretending to be interested or not doesn’t affect the trade value unless only 1 team is bidding for the pick. I find it hard to believe the Rams will only have 1 team bidding.
Jeff Bernard - February 22, 2012
With a name like that,
you know he’s already on the same page as Davis and Williams!
tony420 - February 22, 2012
I did hear that both have enthusiastically, if blurrily, endorsed him
BillWard - February 22, 2012
Is there any precendent
For older rookie qbs being successful in the NFL?
BmoreRedskin - February 22, 2012 via mobile
Roger Staubach was a 27 year old rookie due to his military service
atark001 - February 22, 2012
I love the pic and I think there's a good chance all these Shanahan quotes are just a smoke screen
aFan4Life - February 22, 2012
for what it is worth, I don't think there are any direct Shanny quotes on loving Weeden.
At the senior bowl when asked about Weeden he talked in the abstract, recognizing that Weeden had all the tools to be a great QB, but didn’t say what he personally thought.
Steve Shoup - February 22, 2012
So all of a sudden they DON’T hate all the guys that were at the combine…??
More smokescreens?
I don’t think until April 26-27 will we know what they truly think of who.
Brutus89 - February 22, 2012
senior bowl* not combine
Brutus89 - February 22, 2012
yeah i don't think they ever hated, disliked, or anything else the guys at the senior bowl
Steve Shoup - February 22, 2012
I like your 26-27-60 nugget, never heard of that before.
Brutus89 - February 22, 2012
I think it was Parcell's code for QBs
pretty handy
travisjh86 - February 22, 2012
Parcell's code for QBs
Doesn’t Beck pass all of those qualifications?
skinsfan76 - February 22, 2012
no Parcell's is similar, but its not the same i know QB wins are one of the criteria
Steve Shoup - February 22, 2012
he also loved john beck and rex grossmen
i wouldnt want to spend anything under the 4th round on weeden.
munson21502 - February 22, 2012
And Donovan
and got rid of Jason, who has done well for Oakland
TCO - February 22, 2012
Yes, but what else was he supposed to say?
We’ve got two of the most piss poor QB’s in the league? I don’t believe for a second he was happy with either one…
NickNix - February 22, 2012
This needs to be said
We should stay away from Weeden because:
1. At 28, he is physically at the peak of his game and will only begin to decline in about 3 years. (Little to no Upside + Short Window of Opportunity)
2. His numbers are basically inflated because of his age. (A marginal or sub par NFL QB would also dominate college defenses…Right now, Grossman or Orton would look great playing QB for Ohio State or LSU)
3. Being an older prospect only means he might be more mature (Mainly Off-field benefits). Simply being older does not make you any better at adjusting to the speed of the NFL, reading defenses, or grasping playbooks…So he really is not as “NFL-ready” as some people think.
4. He looked like an ideal QB at the Senior Bowl Practices and in interviews….And then he backed all of that big time talking up with a terrible performance. (Very similar to John Beck around week 4 or week 5)
*If we do end up going the “Potential Sleeper” route at QB during the draft, we should at least go after a younger prospect with more upside (i e, Osweiler, Foles, Wilson, Moore)
HTTR!
WizSkinsNatCaps - February 22, 2012
Those younger guys really don’t have more upside they just have more question marks whether they will even stick in the league. Weedan has to improve his decision making in a expedited time-frame but really he has far less to overcome that most of these other prospects that you think carry more upside.
HogtieJim - February 22, 2012
The only QBs I would take in the 1st/2nd rounds are Luck and RG3....
Just out of curiosity, what makes you so sure about Weeden working for us?
-Oklahoma State does not run a pro-style offense
-Brandon Weeden is not mobile, so how does he fit the Shanahan scheme?
-Without mobility, how can he make throws behind OUR O-line?
-How will he react to finally playing around men his own age and not being “the high schooler playing little leage”?
-How do you explain him going 5/9 with two interceptions and a sack at the Senior Bowl? (That does not look NFL ready)
WizSkinsNatCaps - February 22, 2012
And By the Way...
Other than Luck and RG3, and maybe one Diamond in the rough, I think the rest of the QBs in this draft class will fade away on the bench (like Drew Stanton, Brady Quinn, John Parker Wilson, etc)
WizSkinsNatCaps - February 22, 2012
Weeden has plenty of foot speed
he’s not RGIII or Tannehill, but he can buy time no problem.
Andy Dalton was 2 of 7 for something like 20 yards at last year’s senior bowl, guess he’s not NFL ready
Steve Shoup - February 22, 2012
How is Weeden not mobile?
Just because he’s not a running QB doesn’t mean he cant run when he needs to
Tiller56 - February 23, 2012
Let me get this straight
You are judging him based on 9 snaps in an exhibition game playing with people he doesn’t know?
willster - February 23, 2012
what?
1. You aren’t drafting Weeden for his speed, so I’m not sure what decline you are referring to? He also hasn’t had the same wear an tear as most 28/29 year old QB’s, b/c he hasn’t been hit as much.
2. Guys like Grossman and Orton would have about 14 straight years of playing QB at a H.S., College or pro level. Weeden has 4. His age helped him understand the nuances better and comprehend the playbook quicker, but those are positives that will help him going forward as well.
3. As mentioned above his age can help him grasp a playbook quicker, and even read defenses better, because that maturity helps him understand his responsibilities better. He fully knows the work and time he needs to put into his craft.
4. What impact did his Senior Bowl game have on scouts? Answer: very little
Steve Shoup - February 22, 2012
That is some BS to say cause of his age he will understand the playbook, or read defenses
We are not talking about high school kids going to the NFL most of these guys a smart and can pick up a playbook. Greg McElroy got a pefect of the Wonderlic test but that dont make him more ready to play than anybody. Weeden have not seen the quality of defenses that he will see just like any other prospect. DB’s are a whole lot better than what he seen, LB’s coverage skills are a lot better than he has seen, DE’s are a whole lot better than he has seen. He will still have to take his lumps learning the Pro game as any other prospect except he need to do it faster cause he will be 29 years old he will need a year or 2 to get adjusted by that time he will be like 31-32. NO THANKS!!!
Highspeed30 - February 22, 2012
Even the dumnest of all experts and analysts say....
After Luck , Weeden is the most NFL starter ready .
EldonD - February 22, 2012
what
is a dumnest?
HankMonahan - February 22, 2012
oops....
Dumbest.
EldonD - February 22, 2012
just bustin chops
HankMonahan - February 23, 2012
Yeah, but remember what the analysts said about Cam Newton?
Most thought he couldn’t start this year or play well or had no future in the league. I think RG3 could transition relatively smooth as well.
BigOLinemen - February 22, 2012
Love this Idea
Trade back grab a couple extra picks and stack this team for a little bit of money. I know lightening doesn’t strike twice but if we can somehow manage to have as good of a draft as last year and this time add a bargain QB I am a very happy guy!
Aaron Beard - February 22, 2012
I
Don’t….RG3 or Buuussssssttttt!!!!
Jiza32 - February 22, 2012 via mobile
Weedan definitely seems like a better bet than Tannehill considering Shanny is going to need a guy that can help win games in the next two years. Orton/Weedan combo might underwhelm people but its impossible to say it wouldn’t be a massive upgrade over the debacle that was Grossman/Beck.
HogtieJim - February 22, 2012
Tannehill
I could see moving down to add picks, then nab Tannehill in mid-first rd. Draft WR Randle, and still get Weeden in 3rd.
dbtimsah - February 22, 2012 via iPhone app
dont forget foles in the 5th and wilson in the 6th
HankMonahan - February 22, 2012
Foles will not last to the 5th...
he won’t even last to the 3rd…
he might not last to the 2nd
ptowny - February 23, 2012
Finally
I’ve been waiting for someone to say something like this. The skins have so many needs that this, minus Weeden in the 3rd if you get tannehill, is a great plan. If the Skins keep Rex or get a free agent QB to tutor Tannehill then this is the smart move for this offense. The FO could then spend all those draft picks on other areas of need and pick up a few ( 1 or 2 ) free agents to add to the mix.
The Redskins are not going to compete just because they get RGIII. They’r pretty close to being good but boy, oh, boy they need depth, skill players, better line play, better defensive backs and a good QB.
mmkea - February 23, 2012
Tannehill in the 1st is a bad play
he’s not first round material, nor is he ready to play
Tiller56 - February 23, 2012
This sounds familiar
It’s called blowing smoke. He said he loved John Beck too. I think RG3 is still the target and this is just to create an illusion of lowered interest for the #2 overall pick, so when it comes time to trade up, the price is better.
BigOLinemen - February 22, 2012
About the Senior Bowl interceptions
I didn’t see the Senior Bowl, so here are my questions?
1. Was a interception a result of a: Tipped ball? Wrong route by Receiver? Receiver fell down? Etc Etc?
2. Or were they just terrible throws he should never have made.
Dipper - February 23, 2012
Blackmon and Weeden?
adamvolo - February 23, 2012
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