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At What Cost? How signings of C Chris Myers and WR Robert Meachem

Earlier this week UKRedskin and Ronnie profiled center Chris Myers and wide receiver Robert Meachem as possible free agent targets for the Redskins. Now is the time to look at what they might cost, and what it will mean for the Redskins overall cap number. Now the Redskins with more than $40 million to spend against the cap this season (for a detailed report on their cap situation go here) the Redskins can afford these players, but the price still has to be right for it to make sense for Washington.

Center Chris Myers:

Chance he re-signs: 40%

The Texans are definitely going to want Myers, who is one of the premier centers in the league back, but the question will be is are they willing to pay. Houston has quite a few big named players with their contracts coming up in the next two years, and they might not be able to afford Myers as well.

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Chance he is franchised: 0%

Offensive linemen still all get the same franchise tag meaning, he'd be guaranteed over $10 million next year, which would be well over the top for a center. Last year the Panthers franchised C Ryan Kalil and it led to him getting the largest AAV (annual average value) of any center by more than a million dollars. I can't imagine the Texans want to go down that road.

What will he cost?

Myers is coming off another fantastic season allowing just 1 sack and 10 pressures all season (both very good for a center), and pass blocking isn't considered his strong suit. Myers is a perfect technician at the center position and gets quite a bit of credit for opening up holes for the Texans elite running game. Now normally production like what Myers brings would skyrocket his price tag, but two things will work somewhat against him. First is his age, as Myers will turn 31 early in the season next year. The second concern is Myers' size, or lack there of. He's considered undersized by most teams, and is considered a 'system' player. The good news for the Redskins is neither one of those are a real concern for them. The system that Myers gets typecasted in just so happens to be the Mike Shanahan offense, and the age isn't a real concern as a smart veteran presence who knows the offense would be key to helping a new QB and any offensive linemen to learn the system. Also Myers has missed exactly 1 snap over the last four seasons before week 17 this year, where he was only pulled to rest up for the playoffs. Those concerns though will limit the number of his suitors, which should keep his cost down. I think he will get well below the Kalil/Nick Mangold threshold, and I think a good fair deal for him would be 5 years $27.5 million, with about $15 million of that guaranteed.

How does this affect the cap?

The $15 million guarantee is a bit on the high side, but probably what you'd have to do to land him. I'm thinking it would include a $9 million signing bonus, and six million from his first 3 year salaries guaranteed.

Year by Year breakdown: Sal=salary for that year, SB=signing bonus allotment, OB= any other bonuses, Cap hit=what he costs vs the cap, REL=what it would cost to cut a player in a given year

2012: Sal: $1.2 mil; SB: $1.8 mil; OB:$0; Cap hit: $3 million, REL: $15 million

2013: Sal: $2.2 mil; SB: $1.8 mil; OB: $0: Cap hit: $4 million; REL: $12 million

2014: Sal: $3.6 mil; SB: $1.8 mil; OB: $0; Cap hit: $5.4 million; REL: $8 million

2015: Sal: $5 mil, SB: $1.8 mil; OB: $0, Cap hit: $6.8 million, REL: $3.6 million

2016: Sal: $6.5 mil, SB: $1.8 mil; OB $0, Cap Hit: $8.3 million, REL: $1.8 million

Wide Receiver Robert Meachem:

Chance that he resigns: 20%

It's not likely, but if Marques Colston bolts in free agency the Saints might look to lock up the cheaper Meachem. Given all their big name free agents, I wouldn't be on it, but the Saints could be leery about losing two of their top receivers this year.

Chance that he is franchised: 0%

There is no set of circumstances where Meachem would be franchised.

What he will cost?

Now this is a really tough one because we aren't looking at the top edges of the market, or do we have a good comparison player for Meachem. The 2nd and 3rd tier receiver market has a wide range of salary averages between $3.5 million and $8 million plus. Now such a glut of receivers will ensure that Meachem doesn't get overvalued as a top tier receiver, but it won't push him down too far.

The other issue with Meachem is figuring out what school of thought will win out. Meachum supporters will say he should get paid quite a bit given his age, size, speed, and production relative to opportunity. They will argue that if he was on another team that didn't spread the ball around so much, he'd be a number 1 or 2, and have well over a 1,000 yards a season. On the flip side the opposite will be argued, that he is a product of a wide open offense with a record setting QB throwing him the ball and numerous premium targets drawing coverage away from him. They will say that Meachem, a former first round pick, is no better than the 5th best target on the Saints team. Normally I'd say that the former school of thought will win out, but it is hard to say. I think Meachem will end up with a 6 year $36 million contract, though given the uncertainty I'll guess his guarantee is low. Most players can expect about 40% of their contract guaranteed, but I think Meachem will be more like in the 25-30% guarantee range. I think Meachem will get a $10 million guarantee.

How will that affect the cap?

Meachem's guarantee should all come in the form of a signing bonus, meaning he'd count $1.6 million each year against the cap. Because of that it would be hard to cut him before year 3 or 4, meaning his first two year salaries would be essentially guaranteed as well, which is important to remember.

Year by Year breakdown: Sal=salary for that year, SB=signing bonus allotment, OB= any other bonuses, Cap hit=what he costs vs the cap, REL=what it would cost to cut a player in a given year

2012: Sal: $2.34 mil; SB: $1.66 mil; OB:$0; Cap hit: $4 million, REL: $10 million

2013: Sal: $2.34 mil; SB: $1.66 mil; OB: $0: Cap hit: $4 million; REL: $8.4 million

2014: Sal: $3.5 mil; SB: $1.66 mil; OB: $0; Cap hit: $5.16 million; REL: $6.8 million

2015: Sal: $4.5 mil, SB: $1.66 mil; OB: $1 mil, Cap hit: $7.16 million, REL: $5.2million

2016: Sal: $5.36 mil, SB: $1.66 mil; OB $0, Cap Hit: $7.02 million, REL: $3.3 million

2017: Sal: $ 7 mil; SB: $1.66 mil; OB $0; Cap Hit: $8.66 million; REL: $1.66 million

Steve Shoup will be covering Free Agency and the NFL Draft for his own site Fanspeak.com, but will provide write-ups on players for the Redskins here on Hogs Haven as well. Check out his NFL Draft Page for more details and updates throughout the draft season! HTTR!

Poll
Who would you sign?
C Chris Myers
310 votes
WR Robert Meachem
95 votes
Neither player
95 votes
Both Players
186 votes

686 votes | Poll has closed

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Comments

I'm wary of Signing Myers due to his age. He's on the wrong side of 30.
Give him a 4 or 5 year contract

That puts him at 35-36 when his contract is up, and good linemen can easily last until that age.

That's true especially Centers. They tend to have a longer shelf life.
How old was Rabach when he finally got beaten out?
Rabach had an injury history as well
I don't think its an issue

he hasn’t missed a game in 5 years now. And his experience could be a huge benefit to getting the most out of our line since he knows the system perfectly.

Haha you're right.

Forgot Centers have a longer shelf life.

Sign him to a four year deal

Then draft Molk in the fourth round. Play Myers until Molk is ready to go. Other option would be Brewster in the third.

i like both Molk and Brewster

but if you are signing Myers he’s your starter until he can go no longer. If you believe Molk and Brewster can play guard then they are options, but i wouldn’t make them a priority.

I like Ben Jones out of Georgia, personally

If we signed Myers, I think he could move to guard for us and move to center on down the road. If we sign Grubbs, then Jones would be a fit at C if we want to replace Monty. Personally though, as much as I like Ben Jones I think we should sign Ben Grubbs, resign Monty, and draft a RT.

i mean we could easily sign both Grubbs and Myers

Jones was a bit of a red flag for me at the Senior Bowl. Not that i dislike him now, but before i thought he was a late 2nd player that I hoped we could land in the early 3rd. Now I think he is late 3rd at best, and more of a 4th round target.

Well, we need a RT regardless

I don’t know that I want a new QB and three new linemen. If we keep Monty as the starter, then we can have 3 out of 5 returning starters. If we sign Myers, then I’d have to hope that Licht can return to his pre-injury form. I’m just leery of turning over a majority of our OL in one offseason with a new signal caller I guess.

I have the same reservations when it comes to the OL.....

Then again we could go “all-in” and come out with Reif-Grubbs-Myers-Nicks-Williams (I know, not even feasible)

oh i don't disagree with at RT

but Myers shouldn’t be seen as a new linemen, in fact he’d be the absolute best for a new QB (rookie or otherwise) b/c he has played his entire career in this system. He knows it better than anyone on the Redskins not named Shanahan. And he could make the transition or new linemen to the system smoother.

I guess that's possible

but there’s just something about playing next to the same guy for a while

dont want any saints WR

we could use that center though!

yeah i only voted for Myers

i worry too much about Meachem being a product of the system.

I as well...

it seems the money would be too much for Meachum. The only reason we should consider him would be affordability, and, if these numbers are correct, that is too much…

like i said i'm less confident about my Meachem numbers

but yeah i think he will be too much.

Agreed....I voted the same way

I think Myers would be a great addition, especially if we can get a mid round rookie to learn from him. As far as receiver goes, IF we decide to grab a guy in free agency…Bowe is obviosly my #1 choice, but a very close second is Stevie Johnson. I have a feeling that Buffalo is going to give him the contract that he wants and that he is going to hit the open market. I have a feeling they just overpaid for Fitzpatrick, and with Fred Jackson being a free agent after next season, they’re gonna have to really watch their money. Those Bills receivers really showed up this year, especially Nelson. It’s just a hunch…

Work ethic

Weren’t there issues with Meachem in his rookie year? I can’t remeber if it was that he had a poor work ethic or he couldn’t pick up the offense. Then again, there may not have been any issues.

yeah, though the last 3 years he's been pretty effective

still it is a moderate concern and should be weighed in

I would say go for both...

…however, I wouldn’t give Meachem a lot of guaranteed money, just in case he really is a product of the system, but still produces as a number 2 or 3.

I like the idea of Myers

Meachem, not so much.

Meachem - 6'2", 210lbs

Is he the big possession type receiver some HH people talk about? Glancing at his record, he doesn’t seem to be a game breaker or a really top guy. And if we got him, we probably would not get any other WR.

no he's not really the big possession type

he’s more speedster

Meachen

drops waaaay too many footballs for me…we already have Hank for that…

Except, Leonard Hankerson didn't drop a single ball in the regular season
maybe he's thinking of Moss and his 9 drops
I voted for Myers.

I know we’re trying to get younger but having a pro-bowl veteran center who we can plug straight into our line-up could be a great boost for us. As a bonus he was drafted by and played for Shanahan. Although Will Montgomery has done a good job for us and I would be OK with him starting another year for us.

Myers would be an excellent FA pick-up

He is not only very good at his position but his experience would make the entire line better. Meachum would up-grade our receiving corps but that’s not saying much. I would rather spend our resources on the line & a QB & then see what we have as far as WRs are concerned

I wouldn't want Robert Meach or Robert Meachem.
haha not sure how that happened
Robert Mitchum on the other hand........

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