Hogs Haven

And I know Banks is in your "Hater Zone."

I’m not upset that he said this and I find it a little odd that it infuriates you so.

iH8dallas - February 6, 2012 via mobile reply

Sorry I don't like low character guys taking up roster spots and depreciating the performance of my favorite team.

Sean Qtip Guilliams - February 6, 2012 reply

If he gets cut (get it?) I won't be upset.

He can easily be replaced by Royal, Rainey or even Aldrick Robinson. I don’t care. But since I find him mildly entertaining as a player I don’t take issue with his comment. My .02

iH8dallas - February 6, 2012 via mobile reply

Orakpo is only good for a Geico commercial where he has to be introduced so people will know who it is.

Banks is as good as any other player that shannanigan will stake his reputation on.

runew - February 6, 2012 reply

Yeah pretty harsh.

I could care less about what anyone says on twitter.

SpartanFS47 - February 6, 2012 via mobile reply

+1,000,000

twitter…the name says it all.

aFan4Life - February 7, 2012 reply

Bah.

I was pro Banks this past offseason, but this year he gave us just one td pass on that trick play, and little else during the year. Two years ago he was a gazelle running through a pack. Last year he was decidedly average.

About the twitter stuff….Parks you just have to realize that these guys want something to hang their hats on. They’re on a team that stinks. This team has stunk almost as long as banks has been alive. Heck Snyder made a similar comment last year. I think of it as the same as people who point out that the pats haven’t won it all since spygate. They want to make a comment so they make a worthless and nearly unrellateable one. But hey, it’s an annoying comment, isn’t? I mean, can you imagine the horror of losing to a crappy team like the one we root for??? Oh the questions they must have faced in new york!

timith - February 6, 2012 reply

your mad at him because he said what everybody els is sayn

i mean he’s not the first person to mention it. I kinda like that he said it honestly, of coarse it meens nothing its called trash talking.. it wasnt even mean trash talking he’s just showing love for his team, as a Skin’s fan how can you be mad at him for saying that. I think you just hate him for some reason… the fact that orakpo said something similer shows how you just dont like banks for some reason… even if he’s the worst player in the nfl his charicter should be help on the pedestal as tom brady eli manning peyton. skill =/= charcter and if what banks does makes you mad than you need to be mad at everybody who mentions it. i usually dont let other peoples opinion on the internet get to me, but basically im sayn GTFO AND STOP HATEN!!!!!!

thank you.

Probably actual contributors are saying it

is what makes him saying it so much worse because he doesn’t contribute. If anything some of his decision making is suspect and hurts the team, not to mention holding a roster spot.Hey, look at it this way…he isn’t going to make it on this team next year anyway so he might as well get his talk in now

Bryan Black - February 6, 2012 via Android app reply

Wow dude!

You’re being a little harsh on Parks. Don’t ya think? J/K

PAinfUL - February 6, 2012 reply

but its not like hes acting like albert

never trying, you can tell he wants that td every time he gets the ball, he just sucked this season. I think it’s extremly hypocritical to say its wrong for you to say that because your not a good enough football player. If you stand by this rule than every football fan who doesnt play for the team needs to shut up and this site should be taken down or run by only the important people in sports.

Sean Qtip Guilliams - February 6, 2012 reply

You can tell he wants a TD every time?

And you can tell that because he jumps up and waves his arms around like a child that just got sent to their room? Its not about what he “wants” but his production or lack thereof. 1)he doesn’t produce and it could be argued that he hurts the team and 2) he takes up a roster spot. To say that we can’t criticize because we are not football players, the fact that my money contributes to his salary I can criticize. Give me one good reason why he deserves a roster spot?

Bryan Black - February 6, 2012 via Android app reply

personally i dont care if he's on the roster next year or if you think hes good

wasn’t even my argument…….what pi***s me off is when people say hes a horrible arrogent person for saying something this light hearted…what p****s me off is when one person can say something and be considerd trash, while if someone els says the same thing it’s ok just cuz of what ever status they have. people are people….people if your gonna judge at least judge equally!!!!

Sean Qtip Guilliams - February 7, 2012 reply

When he contributes then he will be judged equally

Opinions shouldn’t piss you off if you understand them as, well… opinions.

Bryan Black - February 7, 2012 via Android app reply

man thats just cold.

Sean Qtip Guilliams - February 7, 2012 reply

He put himself above the team

whether Danny Smith, Shanny or someone else was giving him the green light or it was his own call, him constantly taking the ball out from 4-9 yards deep in the end zone hurt this team. And all his dancing around back there broke a couple big plays, but for the most part led to penalties because blockers were put in a bad position.

As for the whole site thing I think you are missing the point. Banks is paid, and 6 figures at that to represent the team and perform for the team, both of which he’s failed at. Parks and any other commentor or fan is entitled to their opinion and should be able to call someone on their idiotic tweets.

willismagillacutty - February 6, 2012 reply

I think beating the Giants twice did not mean much,

it was purely situational, our game plan worked better than theirs. And it means nothing for next season. But I don’t see blaming Brandon for bragging a little. Heck, there wasn’t much to be happy about.

Donnio1234 - February 6, 2012 reply

Pea brain

I almost 100% sure Shanny’s going to cut him.

2up2down - February 6, 2012 reply

Simply put, Banks needs to shut up.

So do you Parks. You are by far the most annoying whatever the fuck you want to call yourself on this site. You are so fucking annoying it ruins your few valid points. Am I going to get blocked or banned now? What a joke.

Sounds like people are getting a little chippy after the police closed down the occupy dc campsite.

mbedner - February 6, 2012 reply

mbedner another Grade A comment, well done!

def. rec!

Why would you be banned?

And if I annoy you so much then why read my articles, simply ignore them

damn i was going for most annoying, Parks you always win all the superlatives no fair

Your comment plus your signature line equals irony

Skins Fan '77 - February 7, 2012 reply

probably

Am I going to get blocked or banned now?

don't worry parks is really good at G-mailing you'll be back in no time

me and him are buddies now after our many disputes. We even hang out on the weekends not to his knowledge though he hasn’t figured out my true identity

I am no longer anti Devin

I think Devin has been humbled a little. Also, even before he left, he was willing to do the dirty work on special teams (coverage). I think it is perfectly reasonable to feel more like for Devin than Brandon. BB has had a lot of time and opportunities to grow up and still does silly things.

TCO - February 6, 2012 reply

agreed

also Devin Thomas before he left had a 29 yards per return average, besting Banks 24.5 average. Thomas might never have gotten one to the house, but at least he ran upfield.

Problem is, Thomas wasn’t brought in to field kicks…while Banks was.

HTTR4LIFE - February 7, 2012 reply

We put Thomas at KR and it didn’t work too well. He was avg’ing ~26 yards a return, which is decent, but he wasn’t breaking any for 40+.

He still has yet to score a touchdown if I'm not mistaken.

i agree, but at least Thomas salvaged some value

Banks can’t even do the thing we brought him in to do, and he’s so limited he can’t help out in any other area.

he's good at returning preseason kicks

yeah off punters that are bagging groceries right now

meh....

Reaching for something to talk about. Good stuff from Parks most the time. Can’t win ’em all I guess, but the Skins beat the Giants TWICE!!! HTTR!!!

Skinner99 - February 6, 2012 reply

they wouldnt have...

if we had a better QB we would have went 6-0 pretty easy. then the injuries hit us. but we woulda still went 5-5 down the stretch. we woulda won the nfc east and the giants woulda been home instead of having a chance of a another lucky playoff run.

munson21502 - February 6, 2012 reply

you realize the Giants had more injuries than we did

But significantly more depth talent.

Copious 1 - February 7, 2012 via Android app reply

Giants were healthy the 2nd game and we whooped em.

they still had a lot of people on IR, more than we did

http://www.giants.com/team/roster.html

no

Only real casualties were Beatty and Thomas.

Goff, Marvin Austin, and Stintim were all projected starters, and Osi missed that game

Even if we had more ‘starters’ on IR you are talking a talent difference. Someone like Beatty is worth 2 or 3 of our guys.

I'd argue they were healthier the 2nd time we played them

yes

so were the eagles and cowboys. thats why i said we woulda went 6-0 pretty easy. giants were more healthy then us the last meeting though.

munson21502 - February 7, 2012 reply

no they weren't

Austin, Thomas, Goff, Beatty, and Stintim were all on IR, and Osi missed the game as well.

Yawnnnnn....

Who cares in two years what are the chances he is still in the league….? He can say whatever he wants. The guy is just searching for some positive things to build on… Anyway who cares, I think we need to focus on the draft and figuring out who we can get to make sure that we are sweeping every team in the division.

Aaron Beard - February 6, 2012 reply

i think the chances will be pretty good

if he goes to the team that gives him more touches at WR. instead of throwing screen passes to people like gaffney and stallworth

munson21502 - February 7, 2012 reply

As SB Nation's Top Hater of 2011 I must say,

This article as well as the comments section is oozing with hatred.

Haters trying to be a drag on my swag.

This is great! Bravo gentlemen, keep up the good work.

iH8dallas - February 6, 2012 via mobile reply

Wow Parks....seems like you pissed in some people's Cheerios. #SMH

Copious 1 - February 6, 2012 reply

haha don't mess with fan favorites...

I don't think it was that, you just went a little too hard at the guy.

He did only say something that many fans keep as a solace for the season. Most of your posts are spin or impartial really. But this is just a blog, the level sensitivity is a bit much.

Copious 1 - February 6, 2012 reply

I guess I hate on succesful people, so I don't understand at all... haha

I just can’t deal with a dude that doesn’t even deserve a roster spot running his mouth

Rex Grossman ran his mouth last offseason.

SpartanFS47 - February 6, 2012 via mobile reply

About what? Saying they'd win the division?

A little different when a guy in a leadership position is confident.

He wasn't even guaranteed the starting job over John Beck.

Why isn’t anybody getting on Hightower for saying “See you at the Superbowl,” or whatever it was?

iH8dallas - February 6, 2012 via mobile reply

How do you know he wasn't guaranteed the starting job?

Why would he sign here then so late? The media made up the “QB battle” from a quote right after the draft from Shanny. I said it while it was going on, the whole thing was a farce. Beck was never going to be the starter.

even if he wasn't he was trying to be a leader

Banks has never had that role, and him getting pissy at Skins fans for calling him out and saying

Y’all hate on successful ppl don’t understand that at all!!!

is laughable. He’s successful?? news to me, that must be why our return teams were among the worst in the league.

Honestly it is worse than if Rex Grossman said, ’I think I had a great season"

Well let's be fair

From his perspective, a player who was probably given less than a 1 percent chance of ever playing football in the NFL, yeah I’d say he’s been successful in that regard. I think it’s a pretty good story, and I’m happy for the guy.

i would too if he looked at it as a blessing and not an entitlement

So

Players you like can say whatever they want, but guys you dislike will get ridiculed every time they say something positive about the team. Now I understand.

Sean Qtip Guilliams - February 7, 2012 reply

+100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000

correct me if i'm wrong but I haven't seen where Grossman has shot back and attacked Skins fans.

And he’s been slightly more criticized than Banks.

Who are the players that I like that can say whatever they want?

Have you ever been on a team before? There are roles.

I’m sorry I’m not in support of a loud mouthed, malcontent who takes a roster spot.

Grossman also said they was the best 5-11 team in the NFL

and how nobody wanted to play them. Brandon Banks might not was as effective this season but from no fault of his own cause the NFL rules took a big part of his game out with Kick returns, and teams did kick away from him, i dont have a problem with his comments the Grossman comment was more offensive cause 9 teams wanted to play them every game

Highspeed30 - February 7, 2012 reply

Did you watch the games?

o fault of his own cause the NFL rules took a big part of his game out with Kick returns, and teams did kick away from him,

ADJUST TO THE RULES, just like every other team in the NFL. How man sorry excuses can we come up with for this guy? Don’t take the ball out when its kicked 9 yards deep in the endzone. Offenses don’t like starting at the 15 routinely. Did you see his punt returns? Were you impressed. If the goal was to run around more than anyone but gain no yardage then Banks would be the best in the league.

@ parks,didnt banks lead the nfl in return yards?

i remember a detroit rb that used to do that alot too

munson21502 - February 7, 2012 reply

The yards total is deceiving...

Banks was 20th in average per KO return at 23.0 yards and 21st in average per punt return at 9.1 yards.

Please don’t EVER compare Brandon Banks to Barry Sanders ever again in your lifetime.

Ohio Redskins - February 7, 2012 reply

Once again...

Yes he does lead the league in total kick return yards, but that is because he is dumb enough to take the ball out of the endzone every,single time when he should be taking a knee when the ball is kicked 6+ yards in the endzone. Average return and starting position is what you need to look at, which Banks ranks 56th in the league in.

And who the hell are you talking about in Detroit? Barry Sanders? He returned five kicks his whole career.

He won another category.

With his 5 fumbles he was behind only Preston Parker of TB with 6 for punts. And his 2 fumbles on kickoffs also got him second place behind David Reed of Baltimore’s 3.
So combined he was number 1 in fumbles by a returner this year, good job Stabby!

HogHunter - February 7, 2012 reply

And we let the other teams score all the time

giving Banks loads of “opportunities”.

Got news for you

The “feel good” story with this guy is over…its time for him to start producing, that’s it. To all those coming to his defense(which I’m still confused why) what are your reasons for wanting to keep him around?

Bryan Black - February 7, 2012 via Android app reply

I wasn't endorsing BB.

Given the opportunities, his numbers should be far greater.

return yards also count the 8 yards that he took the ball out from the endzone

so if Banks got a 25 yard return the Redskins are on the 17, or 3 yards less than where they would be if he just took a knee

other returners didn't seem to have a problem, other returners also help their teams in a variety of ways

Seriously can someone explain how this guy is still a Skin right now?

Dude blows goats. How is he even in the NFL? Eat Shit Stabby.

On a side note I don’t care what he tweeted. He’s an idiot.

64ShagginWagon - February 6, 2012 reply

He’s still a skin b/c sadly we don’t have a better option.

We don't? Niles Paul and Terrence Austin did just as well in preseason.

T Austin had over 500 returns in college (PR and KR)…never took one to the house. How is that a better option? Niles Paul…not sure that’s better. Banks is at least getting big chunks and he has taken a few to the house called back by penalties. (some of which had no effect on the return)

You love that Terrence Austin stat, haha

I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again. I’d rather have a guy that can consistently set the team up in good position (think Rock Cartwright with KR) rather than a guy that routinely puts us behind the 8-ball but has more big play capability.

Banks usually gives us decent field position. you thinking of #82?

I'm talking more KR not PR.

I feel like he gets to the 40 more often than you’re remembering.

Yea he'll get to the 40 once a game, but his other 3 or 4 returns will end at the 15.

I ’d rather have guy that consistently gets to the 30.

for what it is worth he only had 3 40 yard returns last year

and that could count a return that came up short of the 40 but started in the end zone. He might have broken some short kicks past the 40 yard line, but he wasn’t giving us big yards. And if they were broken plays anyways shouldn’t anyone have been able to do that.

and it's a good stat

A guy that can’t score in college isn’t going to do better in the bigs.

No I agree, but I just don't think you'll find performance drop off from Banks to Austin.

They all, sort of, stink in regards to the return game.

I don’t want a KR that has zero chance of TD unless said roster spot is holding someone else back who can actually contribute.

which it is, we probably could have used another offensive, defensive lineman, many another defensive back

remember the last game of the season where we kept trotting out Helu and Royster despite them being injured, risking a major injury.

Niles Paul took multiple returns to the house in college, and he actually contributes on other special teams and offense

he’s def. a better option.

Hell put DeAngelo Hall back there to boost his value from non-existent to well below average.

Might I point out the person we should be directing our anger at?

That’s right. Rex Grossman. Fuck that guy.

I hate him worse than Albert Haynesworth, Devin Thomas, Carlos Rogers and the members of the 2005 Seattle Seahawks.

Yes, that chubby sack of used tampons can go choke on walrus sperm.

On my Hate-O-Meter Brandon Banks doesn’t even move the needle. As a matter of fact, I’m rather fond of him.

iH8dallas - February 6, 2012 via mobile reply

Yea setting up Rex at the 12 yard line on every return was very beneficial for Rex.

I don’t get why anyone hates Rex Grossman. Did you get tricked into thinking he was going to lead us to the Super Bowl or something. Everyone knew Rex sucked coming in and he was limited. If you should be mad or hate anyone it should be the Shannys b/c they are the ones that stuck with him and showed faith in him. Its not Rex’s fault he blows.

Hey, you hate Banks, I hate Rex.

It is what it is.

iH8dallas - February 6, 2012 via mobile reply

I don't hate Banks, I hate that he's on this team.

What about the 2007 Seahawks roster?

HogHunter - February 6, 2012 reply

Well I like the positivity

Even if it is a bit misguided. I mean negativity is a black hole that can swallow a franchise, oh that’s right it has for about 20 years now… I don’t mind if the skins find a nugget of positivity or hope to build off of if they use it in the right way to motivate themselves. Sometimes, the way the supposed “fans” around here bash the players, I wonder if they are actually redskins fans at all. If anything the team and the fan base need to try to keep a positive mindset or this negativity will continue to take down the franchise and the fans.

+1

Except for Rex Grossman. He gives me stomach ulcers.

iH8dallas - February 6, 2012 via mobile reply

Well

Keeping with the positivity vibe, I’m going to choose not to comment on Rex Grossman…

Rainbows and unicorns, take the ih8 approach... stick your fingers in your ears, "LALALALALALALA" and eventually everything will be better

I see you like the Philly approach

How many superbowls has that negative attitude earned them?

haha right, I was happy go lucky optimist for a long time

What the hell is their to be optimistic about. Be realistic for just one second… we are in a very, very shitty situation. Shanny basically has to make the playoffs next year to keep his job. What are the chances that that actually happens? I hate to say it but he’s made some big mistakes while he’s been here and I think all the positive progress that we have made in cleaning up this clusterfuck will all be lost when we miss the playoffs. Then the whole vicious cycle starts again. We need a miracle and that miracle has to present itself in the next three months. If not, who’s next? Brian Billick?

I hope it doesn't play out like you are implying here

Sounds like barring a miracle, you are calling for another decade of crap. I prefer my rose colored goggles at the moment.

Seriously if you had to bet your life on what was going to happen which scenario is more likely?

If I had any clue what was going to happen

Then football wouldn’t be so interesting. It’s the fact that so much can change year to year, and even week to week, that makes me a huge fan of the NFL.

Good answer, way to avoid reality.

Did we get decent production out of the quarterback position

I think that 7 to 8 wins are possible… not good enough to make the playoffs
my more realistic prediction is six wins at best

Skins Fan '77 - February 7, 2012 reply

Burn! +100

iH8dallas - February 6, 2012 via mobile reply

Well until Dan Snyder calls me and says he needs my expertise in football team building...

This is the approach I will take. I have no control over it so I pretty much have to hope for the best.

iH8dallas - February 6, 2012 via mobile reply

+1

Players aren’t happy here, partly because they are constantly slaughtered by the media and fans for every mistake they make. There is a reason why players leave here and start playing at a pro-bowl level. Negativity is like an untreated infection…

hahaha you have to be kidding me, that's the weakest excuse I've ever heard.

New York is a million times tougher media market but they seem to be doing just fine. Winning cures all and mentally strong players tune out the bullshit.

That's different.

The media can say what they want. Giants ownnership has stayed true to Coughlin and that comfort level has trickled down.

With Snyder I’m sure everyone from coaches to the janitors are on eggshells a little more frequently. The media just makes it worse.

iH8dallas - February 6, 2012 via mobile reply

Dude Coughlin was on the hot seat this year

after the 2nd Skins loss, the NY media and fans were calling for his head.

What did I write Steve?

I can say “FIRE SHANAHAN” all day. It doesn’t put him on the hot seat.

Giants owners never had him on the hotseat. That’s just bullshit that gasbag radio personalities poop out.

iH8dallas - February 6, 2012 via mobile reply

possibly

but we don’t know, maybe the Giants ownership was prepared to fire him if he didn’t make the playoffs again.

Yes Snyder has had some turnover in coaches, but Spurrier and Zorn were completely justified, Norv’s time had come and gone (though I would have waited till after the season), and Gibbs left on his own volition. Marty was the only one who you can make the case was fired too early.

We'll never know.

iH8dallas - February 6, 2012 via mobile reply

So if Danny looks to fire Shanny after this year

maybe it is premature (obviously what we see this year will tell that tale) but it isn’t like there isn’t some cause. The McNabb debacle, turning the Haynesworth issue into a major story that really was more of a story than it should have been. Ex. Haynesworth was an issue in NE, they got rid of him, end of story. And other questionable decisions. We might not like it, but if the Redskins go out and have 4 or 5 wins again and don’t look to be improving it might not be unwarrented.

Any coach who has 3 straight 10+ loss seasons deserves to be fired.

Absolutely no excuse for that. And I’m curious, how long does a “rebuild” take and can anyone show me an example?

iH8dallas - February 6, 2012 via mobile reply

i agree (though if they show enough progress i'd be willing to wait)

the rebuild takes as long as the team needs to get the pieces. The bad thing about the Skins is we wasted that first year. So technically we are only in ‘year two’ of that rebuild.

You look at a team like the Falcons, they already had some of the weapons, O-line and defense in place, then then had a strong free agency year (Turner) and got Ryan so they moved quickly.

If we got RG3 or even Tannehill/Foles and a WR and ....

Let’s say we do that and at least have an exciting team that goes 8-8 (give or take a game) this regime is safe.

But I guarantee, if we get Orton, Manning or God forbid play Grossman and don’t make the playoffs, he’s gone. I absolutely guarantee that.

iH8dallas - February 6, 2012 via mobile reply

i'd say you are probably right there

though if Orton/Grossman are just stop gaps until RGIII or Tannehill are ready, he’d probably get a pass. Honestly next year I don’t really care about the record, in terms of evaluating Shanny and the team. It’s a tougher schedule and if a rookie QB plays even a portion of the season there will be growing pains. How the team looks heading into 2013 is what matters. If it looks like its on the way up, with a line that is coming together, a young QB, and some nice weapons, while on defense things are improving, then I’m all good.

Okay

I am not going to stop you from your negative bashing of every Redskin tweet, miscue, etc. I guess you have to find something to write about besides who our next QB is going to be. The bashing just gets old after a while though.

Then don't read it. Don't click on the article, and definitely don't comment. Its that easy.

Seems to be working for NY...the Giants that is

Bryan Black - February 6, 2012 via Android app reply

I don't know

How much hate the New York media really dumps on individual Giants players. Seems like the coach takes most of the heat in that market, not the players.

That is true.

And I have a remedy for that, grow our own players. Ever notice everybody loves Cooley, Orakpo, Kerrigan, Helu etc…

Guys like McNabb and Haynesworth come in and they already have one foot on a banana peel.

That’s why the Manning bullshit has to stop. Even if he were to play here, he’ll never be a Redskin.

Keep drafting. Draft our QB. Build a team of REDSKINS that we can love.

iH8dallas - February 6, 2012 via mobile reply

How do you build the team

by trading away the top 2-3 picks for the next 2 years for 1 player?

HogHunter - February 6, 2012 reply

We can argue the cost of the draft pick all night.

But as long as he is OUR draft pick it’s fine by me. I want him to build a legacy as a Redskin, not a Colt, Eagle, Bill, Cowboy, you get the point.

iH8dallas - February 6, 2012 via mobile reply

So as long as we have one good player.

We can ignore the rest of the problems on the team. You want to put a shiny new bumper on a pinto.

HogHunter - February 7, 2012 reply

So, is Fletch a Redskin?

dude that happens everywhere

If you read the NE papers some of them are saying Brady needs to hang them up, NY media got on Eli before the season for saying that he thought he was elite (mind you the Washington media never did that after McNabb proclaimed he was ‘Elite-Elite’). Philly media has had the fire ‘Andy Reid’ mantra all season. It happens everywhere, and to every player.

The common thread

With all those teams you mentioned is stability at the head coach and QB positions. As long as you have stability and leadership at those two positions, teams seem to tune out all that other garbage. It’s up to the leaders, particularly QBs and Coaches to keep a positive attitude in the locker room – and it carries more weight when they’re jobs are secure. We don’t have that, so the “infection” is allowed to fester…

i don't necessarily disagree but most of the criticism is on those two guys as well

they endure it by answering the tough questions and improving.

The problem with the Skins is we don’t answer those questions, and we bring in players incapable of handling themselves in a professional manner.

Yeah well

Everybody goes about being a “fan” in their own way. I prefer the blind optimist approach, as painful as it can be when disappointed. And if others prefer to bash the players, well, that’s just what they are going to do. It’s painful being a fan right now, and I guess we all deal with it in our own way.

i think as consumers we have a right to question our players and coaches

i’m not saying I agree with all that gets talked about (the cover zero complaints, fire Kyle etc.), but there is nothing wrong with having that discussion.

Discussion

And straight bashing are two distinctly different things.

Money talks. Always has, always will.

My family didn’t renew season tix after 50 years. We’re not the only ones.

Let your wallet speak. Snyder knows that language.

iH8dallas - February 6, 2012 via mobile reply

even as a commentor on here, or a viewer on TV you are still a consumer

Not like I used to be.

Those concessions/parking/merchandise at the stadium put a lot of money in Snyder’s pocket.

I’m not going to ignore my team, but there are things I can do to show my displeasure.

iH8dallas - February 6, 2012 via mobile reply

and thats fine

my point is no matter what you do (including watching other teams games, given the revenue sharing of the TV deal) will benefit the Redskins. But it also affords you the right to comment, b/c you have a stake in this team. You invest your time and money, and they should be the team that you are hoping for.

You forgot about the owner

I don’t understand why many here give him a pass… that idiot has done more damage to this franchise then in any other individual-ever

Skins Fan '77 - February 7, 2012 reply

I think most people hate Dan Snyder

It’s just that there’s nothing we can really do about it. Here’s here pretty much until he dies.

prc805 - February 7, 2012 reply

So first you blame the fans/media for putting pressure on the media.

But now you’re point to unsound management. Which one is it? They are two very different things.

The only thing that bothers me about the "We beat the Giants Twice" comments

from the players is it makes our team look pathetic. I don’t care if they’re contributors or not. It makes our team seem petty. “Hey you beat us last Sunday but my dick is bigger than yours” I say STFU and make it count on the field. Every time one of these fools talks, whether out or confidence or stupidity, we look like a laughing stock when their so called “prophecies” fail to come true. I’m not mad at the players for doing it. It just makes me sad. Be humble. Realize you have a lot of things to work on and make promises that actually mean something. Like “We are going to work are asses off this season to try and look like some semblance of a team in 2012, and we apologize for the performance our team has shown thus far. We will make you proud skins fans, because you’re the best fans a team could hope for. Thank you for standing by us all these years”

That would be something to make me proud of our players. Not the silly rants of a “loser”

ipitydafu - February 6, 2012 reply

I'm right there with you

It just proves that every few games, we play like a contender.

I want Brandon Banks to clarify his version of “successful” though. Because if he’s calling himself successful because he collects a paycheck, then he better be careful. Moving the kickoffs up 5 yards just about cost him his only use in the NFL.

Ohio Redskins - February 7, 2012 reply

Parks,

It seems to me, that finding the silver lining in a losing season is commendable.

Why criticize him for that?

Rodskins - February 7, 2012 reply

the silver lining of this season was the beginning of the rebuilding process

not beating the Giants twice. We beat the Packers and Bears the year before the two teams in the NFC Championship game, yet there was no silver lining for us as we actually finished worse against an easier schedule.

Absolutely as ipitydafu said its not a silver lining its just pathetic

Stop being such a hater Parks

I feel good that I know we swept our division rivals and we are moving in the right direction with the team. I dont want all our players screaming negativity, I rather them realize that yes they can achieve greater. They just have to be able to do it week in and week out.

So take it out on Banks cuz you dont like him. Just sounds like you were waiting for a good reason to jump on him when others were doing it. Makes you look bad imo, when your better than that.

millatyme - February 7, 2012 reply

haha

its one thing to say we swept our division rivals

quite another to say that b/c we swept them and they won the SB it somehow makes us any better.

Jorge Villadiego - February 7, 2012 reply

uuuuummmmm but didn't we sweep them?

i’m sorry they say classy but com’n ..he is stating facts people are so freaking sensative

Overreaction

SCSkin21 - February 7, 2012 reply

How did Banks not contribute?

You are completely overreacting. He does his job, although he may not score touchdowns (thanks Perry) he has a valuable role on this team.

xocnodnarb - February 7, 2012 reply

What was so valuabel he's like the 25th best returner in the league.

How many other returners solely return and do not contribute as a WR?

Didn't he have the most return yards of any KR/PR in the league this year?

I still want BB cut, but I’m pretty sure he had the most

Yea munson brought that up above and as OhioRedskin said

The yards total is deceiving…

Banks was 20th in average per KO return at 23.0 yards and 21st in average per punt return at 9.1 yards.

Please don’t EVER compare Brandon Banks to Barry Sanders ever again in your lifetime.

Banks brings it out from deep in the endzone, starting field position and average is better indicator of his performance.

I see. Makes sense now.

So just what are you expecting out of Banks?

You bash this dude constantly. All I know is that he plays hard and does his job on special teams. Special teams Parks…

I don’t care about what ranking he is at, that stat is a very misleading one anyway. There were many times he nearly broke away with a TD this past season. You can see the potential is there, he just needs discipline with the ball.

xocnodnarb - February 7, 2012 reply

He had the TD called back on the reverse against Minnesota.

He also threw a TD against the Pats.

To say he’s wasting space on this team is ridiculous.

Those are two TDs

Think about how many more a productive WR could make…

Go back to 2010 against Detroit and Minnesota.

That’s two more TDs called back.

I think he’s still a dangerous returner.

That was before his knee injury

Since then, he has been pretty slow. What happens if we pick up Rainey? Would you still want Banks? He is someone who is just as fast and can contribute on a larger scale…

If we pick up Rainey then it's bye-bye Banks.

okay but TD's are such a rarity to begin with, and unless you are Devin Hester (which he's not even close to)

there is no real basis to say that you can predict who will get them. The number 1 factor has to be average yards per return (and we need to look at net yards for kickoffs not the yards he gets from returning the ball 8 yards deep in the end zone). That is even more true now that the kickoff returns are harder.

Niles Paul was a top returner in college, it is very possible that he might succeed better than Banks. We need to stop assuming that Banks is the only guy who can break one.

Those two plays worked b/c the Skins kept him off the field for the first 14 weeks of the season

other teams weren’t ready for it, it won’t happen again. And they were trick plays that are designed to confuse a defense. That pass was hung up there and it was Moss that turned it into a TD.

Banks would've gotten killed on that TD pass if it wasn't for a monster block from...wait for it...wait for it...

REX GROSSMAN

fat boys can block?

Rekka - February 7, 2012 reply

You're new 2012 Redskins o-line

I'd like to start drives on the other side of the 20, sorry if that's too much to ask.

I know its a novel concept. Sav Rocca had to bail Banks out. Also, Banks ball security sucks.

His job is to:

1-Protect the ball——failed
2-Set the offense up with good field position—-failed
3-Create scoring opportunities—-failed
4- Contribute in other areas—-failed
I say let’s give him an extension!
I think if you all looked past the “dislike” part of it and understand that its purely the contribution you will see where he’s coming from on his opinions

Bryan Black - February 7, 2012 via Android app reply

Are you talking about Rex Grossman?

annnnnd... it goes back to that

Always does. I won't stop until he's gone.

He's a free agent, he's not on the Redskins. Relax.

Yes him too

But Rex talks about confidence during the season and all indications are that he is respected in the locker room and hasn’t had off field issues.

Bryan Black - February 7, 2012 via Android app reply

Other than getting fat and ruining the season for millions of fans.

I fail to see how he "ruined" the season for everyone.

We all knew this season was going to suck. If anything, Beck ruined the season

We were still in playoff contention until Beck lit up the score board against the Bills...

I pretend Beck doesn't exist.

He has no right being on any NFL roster.

I guess more than anything I'm mad at the Shanahans.

It seems that they are playing this trial and error game with a beloved football team, with little worry about the fans.

It’s like they have this “Oh, well that didn’t work, maybe next time” attitude.

Guess they lost the "How to Rebuild a Franchise" instruction manual

How do you think most teams build a roster? It is all trial and error.

I understand there is not a "Superbowl For Dummies" book out there,

however most everyone agrees that step one is :Get a QB.

Not really...

Look at Pittsburgh, Baltimore, and NYJ. They built up their Defense and brought in some Offensive weapons and then got their QB… All three are perennial playoff contenders. It seems like we are working in that mold.

I can see that. They went and drafted Kerrigan and Jenkins, brought in Cofield, Bowen, Atogwe and Wilson.

This should be the year for the QB. RG3!

Maybe... I still would rather have Tannehill and keep the picks

My ideal would be Blackmon in the first, Tannehill in the second

That would be sweet!

I'd be cool with that.

I don't think Tannehill will fall to the 2nd

I think the dolphins really like him and will trade down pick up a late 1st this year a 2nd this year and a 2nd next year and grab Tannehill late in the first, ensuring the Redskins can’t grab at him early in the 2nd before they get a chance

except of those examples only the Jets traded up for their QB (and it hasn't worked out)

Pittsburgh and Bal. were more confident, and in fact the Ravens traded back when they got Flacco (they then preceeded to trade back up a few picks, but they ended up with Flacco and a couple extra picks, smart move)

he's among the worst returners in the league and at least those other guys who are bad contribute as backups on offense/defense or other special teams units

I would trade BB for DT straight up, right now

DT might still get cut in training camp, but I would give him more chance to make the roster. And he needed the kick in the ass (I agreed with cutting him and keeping BB at the time).

But bottom line, DT is more of a team player and contributor. I really wonder about BB’s mental ability (not saying any of these people are rocket scientists, but BB is dangerously child like and has not learned his lessons).

TCO - February 7, 2012 reply

I do hold the fatness against Rex

That was something under his control and he did not control it.

TCO - February 7, 2012 reply

The fat is ammo for the sex cannon.

THIS is what I want!

"You beat the Super Bowl champs, but you lost to the Bills, the Panthers, all these teams that did not make the playoffs," Brian Mitchell rumbled on SportsTalk Live Monday night. "See, I think back to the days when I first got to the Washington Redskins. And when we beat the team that went on to be the eventual Super Bowl winner, NOBODY sat around and said, well, we beat that team.

"We didn’t CARE about the fact that we beat the team. We were upset that we were not in the postseason, we were worried about next year and getting an opportunity to go out there and kick some butt. I hear all the fans and things, and to me it’s Loser Talk. Because when you’re sitting up here talking about well, we beat that team, you’re trying to justify that you’re better than what you are. It comes down to whatever the record is, and if the record is 5-11, 6-10, Mike Shanahan said it, you are what your record is."

+1

Always liked BMitch’s intensity….especially on the field. For some reason I can remember him always jawing it up with the Eagles, back in the day.

Chilliewil - February 7, 2012 reply

Funny he ended up with them.