Hogs Haven

haha

Thank goodness someone has sense

The Skins must get RG3. This years 1st, 2nd and next years 1st. Whatever make it happen. We are not going to pull a diamond out of the rough in 2nd round. Kyle Orton is not going to morph into Joe Montana.

Kuruption - February 8, 2012 reply

I agree with Babu

Kevin Ewoldt - February 8, 2012 reply

You get RG3 and dont have some fat drunk looking over his shoulder all season.

that’s our job as fat drunks

I'd live with Orton as a temp stop-gap

Even if we didn’t get RG3 this offseason, I’d rather go with Orton, plus a developmental QB in the draft, and shoot for one of the top guys next year.

If we went down this road, I’d like to see a WR, or CB drafted in RD 1, anOT(Potter is my favorite) in round 2, and a center in Rd 3.

I may goive Big Brock a look as a developmental guy in the later rounds.

"shoot for one of the top guys next year"

Does that mean shoot for a 3 win season, or expect to trade the farm moving up next year as opposed to doing it now?

There could be up to 5 guys next year

who are all first rd types. I’m sure we can land one.

You mean like Barkley and Jones were this year?

SCSkin21 - February 8, 2012 reply

Yes

I look at Bray, Barkley, Jones, Wilson and Murray. Now I’m sure not every one of these guy will enter, but with good years, they all could.

It's easy to say that now.

Jake Locker was supposed to be the unquestioned #1 a couple years ago.

There will be two, maybe three first rounders next year.

iH8dallas - February 8, 2012 via mobile reply

True

and it all depends what kind of year they have, and who enters early. I think you can count on at least 3 top guys.

We were saying the same thing about this draft a couple months ago

any old one will do?

really what I love about the whole “i talked to haslett” snafu was (if true) it confirmed that Shanny does not look at this the way so many fans seems to….namely as a case of “we should just draft some olineman and then get whatever qb is available”

there are never many LEGIT qb’s out there…..you can’t pass on one under the assumption you can just draft another later. Most all the guys being mentioned (Foles, Jones, etc) will probably suck. That’s just the probability of it.

+ 1

Odds are the third, fourth and so on QBs taken will not be franchise guys. Backups, but not a perennial Probowler.

iH8dallas - February 8, 2012 via mobile reply

This year, I agree H8

but next year may be a tad bit different.

We've had like 2, 3 if you count Theismann franchise QBs since 1932.

What else do you want to know?

iH8dallas - February 8, 2012 via mobile reply

5. We've had 5 franchise and since 1932

The problem is that includes Joey and he’s number 5. And one of them Eddie Labaron.

We did have two at the same time, though.

BillWard - February 8, 2012 via mobile reply

Bill Ward, I love you

Ahh, the gay artist

Diesel44 - February 9, 2012 reply

Plenty of great QB's would disprove that theory, as well as plenty of horrible ones that fit your window

I haven’t heard any mention of Geno Smith as possible 1st rounder. He mobile, makes all the throws and takes care of the ball.

future is now - February 9, 2012 reply

Honestly DC

this is what I struggle the most with, and prob the biggest reason I want to move up for RG3 this year and just get it over with.

Does that mean shoot for a 3 win season, or expect to trade the farm moving up next year as opposed to doing it now?

i dont want to be picking this high again....so now is the time!

and RG3 surely looks like THE player so why the hell not

I can't agree more

I hope to hell we are not picking in the top 10 again next year, so, that is why i’m pro trade-up this year.

What Jimmy Haslett's thoughts on Kyle Orton?

*What's- sticky keys..

Hopefully Rodskin will bump into him again

im sure it cant be good...

he got beat out by both rex grossmen and tim tebow. if not sure i would want orton if he played here for free

munson21502 - February 8, 2012 reply

actually he beat out Grossman

I agree 100%

Orton is a slight upgrade who at the very least is a lot less prone to turnovers. But can Shanahan afford to go another year without getting his QB?

Last time I'll say it,

We’re trading up with Shanny’s boy Fisher for RG3. I’ll then shit my pants, take a jagerbomb t o the face and dance with my dog.

Kyle Orton. That’s rich.

iH8dallas - February 8, 2012 via mobile reply

that will not be the last time you say it

travisjh86 - February 8, 2012 reply

Speaking of dogs H8

I’m finally getting my Frenchton(French Bulldog/Boston Terrier) this weekend. We adopted him from a shelter in Kentucky.

OH MY GOD! Supercute. Share a pic of the puppy so I can melt.

iH8dallas - February 9, 2012 reply

I have no problem with Orton IF we draft a guy in the 2nd or 3rd

Or we can trade Brandon Banks for Pat Devlin

Wow did what did Stabby do to you Parks

Benson L - February 8, 2012 reply

Stupid autocorrect

Benson L - February 8, 2012 reply

Not return kicks very well and he upper decked my toilets

So are you all over Devlin because he gave you a reach around?

Shhhhh....

drafting a guy in the 2nd or 3rd rd is a waste cause they are noting more than Back ups or younger Kyle Orton types not a Franchise QB in any of them. you might as well pick a potential starter in those rounds and take a project in the 4th or later.

Yep no one has ever found a good QB past the 1st round

Not saying that they did not

just looking at the guys that are in this draft and none of them are going to amount to much more than back ups. So taking a guy in the 2nd or 3rd would be a complete waste, especially if you gonna go pick a guy next year as well in the 1st.

You still need a good backup in this league, so why not groom one?

I am ok with grooming a good back up

just not with my 2nd or 3rd rd pick, those are suppose to be starters in 2 years not career backups or special teams players.

BJ Coleman Chattanooga could be groomed as a back up
Kirk Cousins could be groomed as a back up
Jacory Harris could be groomed as a back up
Chandler Harnish could be groomed as a back up

and none of them would cost a 2nd or 3rd round pick.

All of those guys project as sold career backups.

i know that is why i would take a flier on one of these guys vs Foles,Tannehill or Weeden in earlier in the 2nd /3rd. To me there is not much difference in talent between them and Coleman,Cousins,Harnish

In college there was a huge difference and their potential is starting QB material

There is a 2-3 round talent difference, that is huge.

that is in some years but none of those 3 will be more than back ups

how do you know?

Tannehill and Weeden are probably more talented than any QB’s taken in the last 3 years with the exception of Newton, Stafford and Bradford.

time will tell, but i know Kellen clemens, Josh McCown, Charlie Frye type of QB’s when i see them. these are NOT viable options as starting QB’s if Jones and Barkley would have entered the draft there is no way either of them is picked before them, they are back up type of QB’s PERIOD

Mark Sanchez, Josh Freeman, Jimmy Clausen,Jake Locker, Christian Ponder, Andy Dalton, Colin Kaepernick, Ryan Mallet are all better prospects in the last 3 years than Tannehill/Weeden in fact i would take Tyrod Taylor over those 2.

Tannehill = Blaine Gabbert
Weeden = Greg McElroy

worst comparisons ever...

Parks Smith - February 9, 2012 reply

Was just kidding about Weeden to McElroy but Tannehill= Gabbert is on point

Their style of play couldn't be any more different

Parks Smith - February 9, 2012 reply

You lost me at Jacory Harris

that is the same way i feel about Tannehill /Fole/Weeden combo as prospects nothing more than back ups see Kellen Clemens,Josh Mccown,Chad Henne, Charlie Frye, Trent Edwards, etc……

Cousins will be at least a 3rd rounder

I will take that bet

Cousins wont get picked before the 4th rd, and Weeden should not get picked before 4th either but he may go in the 3rd but not before 3.

i think both will go higher than you think

Cousins will ~~be at least~~ has the possibility of being a 3rd rounder

Here, fixed it for you

According to you Rex is the greatest backup QB in the universe.

We need a starter, not a backup.

iH8dallas - February 8, 2012 via mobile reply

Rex is also a 30+ year old FA. If you know whats going to happen then why comment?

To prove how much smarter I am than everybody else.

On another note, anything new with Rodskinsgate?

iH8dallas - February 8, 2012 via mobile reply

Highspeed30 - re "Not saying..."

“None of them are going to amount to much more than backups”. You can’t possibly know that – it is just an opinion, and many disagree with you. For one thing, some of the key things that go into making a top NFL quarterback are the intangibles – things that cannot be judged well in college play. Like being driven workaholics, with an almost insane drive to be great, So you could be right, but you can’t just dismiss Tannehill, Foles and Weeden as journeymen. If Shanahan thinks one of them is his “quarterback of the future”, I’d be willing to let him find out.

Donnio1234 - February 9, 2012 reply

Shanahan dont have time for projects

I think Shanahan think they can win now, so I dont see them looking to groom a QB with such low potential. Tannehill,Foles, or Weeden may end up starting some games for a team but at the end of the day they will be no more than game managers, or back ups, but none have the potential to be a Franchise QB or “quaterback of the future”

I'll disagree on Weeden

when i say that i dont think 29 year old rookies

qualify as quaterback of the future, fo the most part it takes time to adjust to the NFL game most good rookies take a least a season to get adjusted. I think overall as a prospect I would not be interested and a lot of teams wont be interested cause of his age. plus i think he will have trouble with NFL defenses and pressure

Yeah, Orton would be OK, but getting a top young prospect is the key

and could even be RG3. Getting Orton does not cramp their style at all – he just gives us a better “bridge” than Rex. Same for Peyton, except that in his case, they would not want to spend the picks to move up for RG3, so the young one would be Tannehill, Foley, Weeden or somebody else that Shanahan really liked.

Donnio1234 - February 8, 2012 reply

exactly, Orton is a better bridge than Rex

Blasphemy, Brandon Banks is worth more than Pat Devlin

I’d only let him go for a 2014 7th RD pick.

There won't be another "lost" season waiting for a rookie QB.

If any season was a tank job it was the season Grossman and Beck are your starters. Then we won 5 games (doh!)

They could tank it next season, but they would be fired.

iH8dallas - February 8, 2012 via mobile reply

All do respect

what is this lost year crap. If we trade up fro RG3II, do you really think this team will be good next year?

Redskin44 - February 8, 2012 reply

With all "due" respect, YES!

iH8dallas - February 8, 2012 via mobile reply

based on what

based on

we were a few really bad rex games and 3 starts of john beck away from being 8-8.

i agree, and also thought last year was a planned losing season. the last lose i got pissed about last year was the eagles game after the bye.. it looked like the staff planned that lose. and i thought to myself. ok i can take a really bad season to get a top pick for a chance at a franchise qb.

munson21502 - February 8, 2012 reply

Yep they were the only problem with the squad

no but they were big problems

munson21502 - February 8, 2012 reply

A lifetime of watching every Redskins game.

And noticing puds at QB.

iH8dallas - February 8, 2012 via mobile reply

but what makes you think the Skins will be good next year with RGIII?

not good necessarily, but better

why is it folks so focused on not “mortgaging the future” wont look past RG3s rookie season? Trading up to get Griffin is not based on whether we will be good in his first year.

There are frequent discussions as to whether a QB makes other players on the team better. If RGIII

makes other players on the offense better (your point), then the priorities for 2013 team building should be more focused toward those needs. An 8-8 season would still put the team in about the mid spot in the draft order (even if the 2013 1st round pick is traded) and the team should be able to keep it’s full 7 picks in 2014.
The franchise QB is tough to finagle within a short time frame.

Jefferson1935 - February 9, 2012 reply

based on Griffin as a rookie being easily superior to Rex or Beck

it's really a no brainer

we had some of the worst QB play in the league last year and RG III has much more potential than either Beck or Grossman.

No Orton please, I would rather keep Rex.

Orton both sucks and blows (see his time in Chicago and Denver post McDaniels)

Read numerous reports that he is not a leader (i.e. same problem Romo has at least perception-wise)

Maybe John Beck's leadership will rub off on him

You mean...

1.) Take the snap
2.) Look at the rush
3.) Add several more steps to your drop
4.) Piss on yourself
5.) Take the sack
6.) Stand up shell shocked

REPEAT

you forgot the step where he forces himself to fumble and then recovers it like a boss

haha +1

We could see a new, more aggressive Beck in camp

Shanahan could just tell him to don’t worry about turnovers, just come out firing. He psyched himself out last time, actually sort of self-destructed (not unlike Copious’ post below). After all, he wouldn’t have anything to lose. But he might not get the chance – could get cut very early – especially if Rex is re-signed.

Donnio1234 - February 8, 2012 reply

FACEPALM

Somebody get to Donnio's house and make sure he hasn't mixed alcohol and painkillers.

That shit was ridiculous.

iH8dallas - February 8, 2012 via mobile reply

Well, I thought John deserved a kind word or two

Whenever an opinion is unanimous, I like to throw in an alternate view, just to see how solid it is. Beck is still on the team, I think.
Actually, I generally supported Rex over Beck last year, mainly because I thought that Rex could stop turning the ball over so much. But he turned out to be like figure skater Sasha Cohen – talented but prone to making mistakes.
Incidentally, I’m for trading up for RG3 if possible this year (something few have mentioned – it may not be possible – if Cleveland or St Louis want him, there’s nothing we can do to stop them).

Donnio1234 - February 9, 2012 reply

Not sure Rex’s intangibles matter much when he lacks talent in all areas. Orton would be a clear talent upgrade.

HogtieJim - February 8, 2012 reply

actually Orton outplayed Rex in Chicago

This is still not saying much

there are not many QB’s in the NFL who couldn’t out play Rex

I’d be alright with it if we draft a second guy that should probably sit and grow rather than play right away.

Orton would be an instant upgrade over Rex. Sure the intrigue of Peyton is there, but why in the hell would he want to come here? I think it’s less of an option than people think.

Still not on the trade up bandwagon, at least not until they do it.

Brutus89 - February 8, 2012 reply

second round guy*

Brutus89 - February 8, 2012 reply

you would be better off getting a 4th rd or later guy

The gap in talent between the “2nd rd guys” and the rest of the field is not that great. you might as well get a OT in the 2nd and draft BPA in the first Claiborne, Richardson, or Blackmon although i would look to trade back if blackmon fell to me at #6 pick up another 2nd and 2013 #1

I think guys like Foles or Tannehill have higher ceilings than the Osweiler’s or Kirk Cousins’ of the draft. If someone like Claiborne or Reiff is available at 6, I’d think long and hard, but you’re right, I’d probably prefer to trade back. I think the weapons at wideout in this draft are deep.

Brutus89 - February 8, 2012 reply

Its not a ideal solution or even a good solution, but unless you are one of the Grossman propagandist around here it is clearly a immediate upgrade. Orton at least has a chance at a positive TD to INT ratio while Grossman has none. Doubt it will be enough to get the Redskins to the playoffs but lowering the amount of turnovers has to be a priority for the Redskins this off-season or they have no chance at any consistent success.

With a weak FA crop and very few NFL ready young QBs, it is a legitimate option.
However it would be vital to grab one of these raw QBs in the second round so the Skins could at least have the potential to reach even better QB play in the future.

HogtieJim - February 8, 2012 reply

As some have said, I could live with Orton as a stopgap

I also have a strong belief the Shanny’s are positioning themselves for the QB corp next year.

2up2down - February 8, 2012 reply

I don't know if they can afford to do that

I think Shanahan has the same aura Gibbs had to Snyder. For better or for worst, I think Snyder will wait 5 years as Shanahan told him before hiring him.

2up2down - February 8, 2012 reply

Coach Joe had a winning season in his first two years

And two playoff appearances in four years… Shanahan hasn’t been that successful

Skins Fan '77 - February 9, 2012 reply

I really don’t believe that at all. Shanny knows he has to win sometime soon in the next few years. He is looking for anything that can upgrade the position this year and give the Skins a better chance of winning immediately.

HogtieJim - February 8, 2012 reply

Shanahan is one of if not the highest paid coach in the league.

They could pay me $5 million per year to win 5 games.

He can’t risk playing “Who’s That QB” with the Redskins next year.

iH8dallas - February 8, 2012 via mobile reply

Ya, he is basically painted himself into a corner

He blew it the first year, and Berkeley’s decision to stay in school will probably be the nail in the coffin.
Unless of course our owner has learned something… what are the odds?

Skins Fan '77 - February 9, 2012 reply

Let's say 7 QBs are drafted.

One or two will be good, two might be backups and the rest will be on practice squads or selling real estate in their college town.

iH8dallas - February 8, 2012 via mobile reply

Folks are evaluating Orton based on Denver

Evaluate his Chicago numbers.

You already have to go back a full season to see 16 games.

Why go back 3? The point is, he put up good numbers his first two in Denver. They were losing because the team as a whole was bad.

Yes w/ McDaniels.

Tebow, Cassel, Orton, Brady…. All looked better with McDaniels.

Copious 1 - February 8, 2012 via Android app reply

ummmmm really?

Tebow looked better with McDaniels? How So?

Cassel? His best year was under Weis.

Here we go again.

Why do we have such dumb ideas of getting everyones elses garbage again ? What is wrong with getting our guy in RG3 and start him day 1 and stop getting these second rate QBs from other teams ? Dont you wanna win games ? Stop the stupid merry go round and get our franchise QB while we are this high in the draft . It seems that we are the only idiots that keep getting everyone elses garbage , have we not been down this road before getting bums for QBs for our team? Its funny how just about every other teams when they need a QB they breakdown and get a QB from the draft . It seems everyone always crys about getting a good defensive linemen with your first round pick or some other pick whether its a defensive back or offensive linemen , but what i find that is so funny is when we need a good QB it seems everyone wants to get a stupid FA QB from another team that is not worth a shit . Not everyone here wants a FA QB but most of you do . So my question is this why shouldnt we make it a priorty to get a very good QB from the draft that can last for 15 years ? It amazes me you can spend a high draft pick on any other position for our team but you dont want to spend a first round on a good QB ? What sense does that make ? The QB position is one of our most needed things on this team but yet you want to bring in people from other teams that are not worth shit or only has a few years left so what sense does this make? Then on top of it we are back to square one again looking for another QB to train and it keeps being the problem with our team . Just use our first pick and draft up to settle our biggest problem and draft RG3 and we wont have to look for a QB every year like we have for the past 20 years .

Here we go again

Thats exactly what I thought before I read your comment. More power to you, bro. Drive on

OK so whats wrong.

With getting a good QB in the first round trading up?

We aren't just a quarterback away from being good.

The good thing about Orton, though, is you can STILL get RGIII. If you would have read the whole article, I said that.

Why not

Just put RG3 in there to learn like cam newton instead of wasting time ? bacause RG3 is ready to be a pro now not later . Let him learn on the job and get the exp under his belt . Plus yes i do think we are a QB and maybe a few players away from being a very good team and if we do get RG3 and he starts from the get go we will win at least 10 games to start not to mention he will be the rookie of the year . So set back and watch if he starts .

I think that would be that plan

but what if we didn’t land RG3? At least Orton, albiet a slight one, is an upgrade over Rex, and may do a better job of holding the fort down.

Are u afraid to get a good QB

I take it you like these worthless QBs we have had for the last 20 years .

That's probably the dumbest question ever

Why would anybody be afraid of getting a good QB? It’s basically the same as asking “Are you afraid of dating a super hot girl?”

The fans seem to be afraid of getting a good QB,

Or rather they think the risk outweighs the reward.

iH8dallas - February 8, 2012 via mobile reply

THANK YOU IH8DALLAS at least a few people can understand why it is so much of a priorty.

Well I'm of the mindset that a QB makes this team much better.

There is another group that thinks you build up everything around the QB and you can plug and play the position (like Gibbs.)

iH8dallas - February 8, 2012 via mobile reply

I think some are just afraid of the whole trading up

If it is at reasonable cost, I’m all for it. I’m certainly not giving up too much though.

Its because everytime you turn around .

You wanna get a stupid FA for a QB instead of drafting a good QB.

Question ronnie.

How many QBs have we had in 20 years ? 23 right? so why keep adding to the number 23 and get a QB for 15 years instead of adding to the number 23 .

Like the Jim Carrey movie.

iH8dallas - February 8, 2012 via mobile reply

I HEAR YA LOL

What if we can't trade up for RGIII ??

We don’t have two first rd. picks (& one of those picks is 4th over all) to give to St. Louis, Cleveland does. If St. Louis trades with Cleveland they are still assured of getting either Kalil, Claiborne or Blackmon. If they trade with us then all three of those players are most likely gone. Nobody on this site wants RGIII more than I do but I don’t think that it’s going to happen.

I think we already have it in place.

To trade up with RG3 or at least i hope we do . I forgot were i read it at right off hand but i really do think they have something in place with the rams and i think we will all be shocked by it 2 .

What if we can't trade up for RGIII ??

Very good point - it just may not be possible to get RG3

If Cleveland (or STL) wants him, he’s gone.

Donnio1234 - February 9, 2012 reply

Wes Bunting's Mock has St. Louis picking DT Brockers @ #6...

I don’t know much about him, but if he begins rising up the board, Fisher’s background, along with Gregg Williams (DC), believe in pressure defense, I could see them going this route, along with the extra picks from the trade…

jgibbsfan1 - February 9, 2012 reply

Brockers is definitly rising

don’t know if he’s quite that high, but he has put himself in the mid 1st round

Brockers is easily a top ten talent & might crack the top five

he is definitely the best, least talked about player in this draft. He surprised a lot of people when he declared as he is a redshirt soph but he is loaded with talent & could actually end up as a player that some team might want to trade up with us for.

ENsDad27 - February 9, 2012 reply

huh? So you're saying stick to one of the 23 prior QBs instead of going to number 24?

Im saying.

Keep it at number 24 for the next 15 years by getting RG3 .

What if he needs to rest when we have a #1 seed shored up, do we not start #25

SURE .

This is what we need to let RG3 learn behind orton or sexy rex and maybe he could learn how to throw interceptions .

Um

Ortons td to interception ratio far outdoes Rex Grossmans. Rex is 56-60 for his career. Kyle is 80-57

Orton is 9-9 last 2 years, which I think is relevant given he’s in equal shape as Kerry Collins. his QB rating the last two years has been dreadful.

Kevin Ewoldt - February 8, 2012 reply

Yea but to be fair the Broncos were making him throw 167 times per game w/ no running game and no defense

You'll hear this tonight but let me show you some numbers

Orton has a 2.5% chance, according to his total career completions and total career interceptions.
Rex has a 3.8% chance
Just for frame of reference Brees has a 2.7% chance.

Chance of throwing an INT. Sorry

Career passes.

Not completions. Sorry again

Sean Qtip Guilliams - February 8, 2012 reply

Aside from Redskins QB talk...

My timeline is full of idiots arguing about UNC and Duke. What makes it unbearable is that none of them went to either institution.

iH8dallas - February 8, 2012 via mobile reply

You don't need to go to a college to be a fan. ACC basketball especially in the NCAA tournament is interesting.

Jefferson1935 - February 9, 2012 reply

i dont like kyle orton

i’m fairly curtan he wont get us to playoffs, and that meens we will have a bad record, so whats the point of getting him, if hes not helping he’s hurting….if ur gonna get a temp fix go with peyton and groom someone, he has a better chance of getting to playoffs even with the risk of injury.

You spelled curtain wrong

Actually....

I think that he spelled certain wrong

Actually....

You missed the joke. I know how to spell certain. Thanks

Ronnie Adkins - February 9, 2012 via mobile reply

Don't mention it

& you are right, I definitely missed whatever joke you are talking about

ENsDad27 - February 9, 2012 reply

I'm sorry see your logic but I want someone that will scare the living dog shit out of the opposing defense and...

Or ton isn’t it, Peyton Manning please with the incentive laden contract.

xxrdotxx - February 8, 2012 reply

Orton was terrible with a team that later went to the play-offs with Tim Tebow at QB

He is an upgrade over Rex as far as TOs but he’s not really any type of answer. Maybe if the plan is to be drafting in the bottom quarter again next year……

Was he awful? show me that stats

OK...

3 & 5 as a starter (1 & 4 in Denver with the same team that Tebow took to the play-offs 2 & 1 in KC) 59.5 comp. percentage which is not bad until you see that it’s with 7.0 YPA. 9 TDs & 9 int.s & a QB rating of 77.8. Awful ??… Maybe not & possibly an upgrade over Grossman & Beck but nothing special

ENsDad27 - February 9, 2012 reply

He was pretty good the year before

throwing to Lloyd.

formerbroncosfan - February 8, 2012 reply

No way

The reason I stopped rooting for the Broncos is because Cutler got replaced by this guy. I still haven’t gotten fully back on board yet. A playoff win is nice but Tebow is completely inconsistent. That said, Mike McCoy sure managed to adapt his offensive system to the QB’s talent, which is much more than can be said for McDaniels, or sadly, Kyle Shanahan (gratuitous trashing of KS as usual).

Orton is absolute a blackhole where leadership quality is concerned. He is strictly a system QB, very little improvisation ability. Not very mobile either. His TD-to-INT ratio was inflated. During 2009, he threw mostly short passes and bubble-screens, on strict orders from his head coach no doubt. He played two full seasons like they were garbage time; I’m sure Broncos fans wish he would have thrown deep much more and risk more INTs when his team was done 10, 20 points. In 2010 he had a deep threat (ex-skin Brandon Lloyd) and did better throwing deep. But he was still fixating on a single receiver: Brandon Marshall in 2009 (caught an NFL-record 22 or so passes in one game; of course with stats like that, it was a losing effort); Lloyd in 2010. Not an improvement over Grossman, and would take time to learn the system than is worth the wait.

Pappa Johns...

no toppings for you

Skinner99 - February 8, 2012 reply

All we may need is a slight upgrade over Rex

and a guy who can buy us a tad bit of time. Orton gives us both.

A Connecticut Redskin - February 9, 2012 reply

I like the idea but...

RGIII and Luck are the only 2 QB’s worth going after in this year’s draft. Cleveland has more to bargain with to obtain RGIII and we can’t afford to give away the farm with so many other needs to fill. We are still 2 years away given the McNabb debacle. We need a top 5 offense and defense to compete and we still have glaring weaknesses on the offensive line, Wide Receiver, Secondary, and depth. I say acquire Orton, and use this draft to address the other needs, trading down if we can to acquire more picks. We will need a replacement for Fletcher and some of the older Defensive players; we need a guard, and a tackle and some depth on the offensive line. If we reach for a franchise QB now, we will not be able to address the other positions. How many potential franchise QB’s careers have been derailed because they didn’t have a solid supporting cast? And how many unknown QB’s turned out to be hall of famers because they had a great supporting cast and system? Brady, Warner, Montana to name a few.

Bad examples

All three of those was great QB’s 2 of them top 5 QB’s of all time and Kurt Warner is top 20 and took Arizona to super bowl.

A better example maybe Troy Aikman, Mark Rypien, Eli Manning 1st SB.

when was the last time a system qb won the SB? Dilfer or am I forgetting someone?

Do we want to go the route that works once every 15yrs?

DCrez - February 9, 2012 reply

isnt Brady technically a system QB? Some might even say Arron Rodgers.

Now im not saying they are but it has been argued. Brady was a 6th round draft pick who (according to most HH fans only a 1st round QB can succeed in this league) got his chance after Bledsoe goes down and Cassel steps up and blows up after Brady goes down. Now I have no doubt Brady isnt a monster QB but since Brady hasnt played anywhere else and isnt going anywhere only time will tell. Same goes with Rodgers he is a monster QB but if Matt Flynn (a 7 round pick) can step up and do what he did in only 2 starts then one can argue that GB is also a QB friendly system

squigums - February 9, 2012 reply

I will disagree with your assessment...

We need a top 5 offense and defense to compete

Sure, that would be great. But I don’t think it is necessary. Both SB teams show that this is NOT a prerequisite for the playoffs / SB…

jgibbsfan1 - February 9, 2012 reply

I'd be OK with Orton as an interim QB

But only because he’d be relatively cheap AND he’s less turnover prone than Grossman.

I’d prefer Peyton if he’s healthy though. But I doubt Peyton would have any interest in coming here as this organization is know for its management struggles and there is too little surrounding talent (on offense, especially the OL) to make a SB run.

I would not mind Kyle Orton as a backup

But not as my starter, he has pretty much shown what he is and that is nothing more than a spot starter, or a caretaker or game manager not a Franchise QB